check/raise this river?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls, MP folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

River: (9.75 BB) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 4s Ks (full house, kings full of fours).
CO has 9c Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.75 BB.

Is check/raising the river an option? I'm pretty sure this guy has a K, but I'm not sure if he'll bet the river. I'm just not really sure how to think about this, any help?

I think you have to lead the river because many players will always check down with the flush cards on board.

your line is fine...

Thank you guys

I think you could have played this to extract more, by either donking the flop or donking the turn. I lean toward the flop, since we don't know what our opponent holds and the turn might kill your action.

wow donk the flop
opp will surely raise or just fold-meh

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

wow donk the flop
opp will surely raise or just fold-meh

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Well, he would have raised probably in this spot but the original preflop raiser is right on his left. This board is pretty draw-less and I dont think you want to fold everyone out of this pot if MP decides to auto-raise you on the flop.

Had we known that MP wasnt going to c-bet this board and that someone else had a higher King, then yeah, bet/3betting would be the option. But frankly, I dont see how anyone can assume that and thats why I don't mind his play here, as I probably would have done something similar only because thats the way it works out.

I might've just check/raised the flop then bet the turn and hoping to get raised, and that would be the only modification I could possibly see doing different. But in regards to check/raising the river after check/raising the turn, no thanks.

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

I think you could have played this to extract more, by either donking the flop or donking the turn. I lean toward the flop, since we don't know what our opponent holds and the turn might kill your action.

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if he were going to donk he would have to lead out both the flop AND the turn, because it looks extremely fishy when someone especially a tagg c/c the flop then leads the turn... that line doesn't make any since at all... and to me trying to figure out his had i would put him on either a monster, K weak kicker (still big hand) or the draw (air)...

If you take the leading approach (which this is 0.5/1 where players tend to be passive and not 3 bet enough and tend to call down to much even with the obvious I have a big hand line)

0.5/1 I like his line, 5/10 I lead both streets and hope to bet/ 3 bet the turn...

you have to actully go past the first level of thinking here and take into account avg players at a stake..

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

wow donk the flop
opp will surely raise or just fold-meh

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That sounds terrible. I think spoon's line was good here.