Couple hands with my notes

Ok ,
So Iam getting better at looking at players and figuring them out. I used to think I read people like Daniel but I was sadly mistaken. So I brush up on things, take notes, and this is how it pays off. I want to share, this is by no means a tales of poker post. I just wanted to get some feedback if you take notes like I do and play back into people like me. So its not much profitable wise, however I know Iam recognizing stuff I never used to look at before. This is key to me becoming a better poker player I think.


Loved it .

#Game No : 4230747357
***** Hand History for Game 4230747357 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 01:25:21 ET 2006
Table Summertime (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: jStr8Flush ( $8.86 )
Seat 4: camron04 ( $28.30 )
Seat 5: pnogueira56 ( $19 )
Seat 6: tight_fish45 ( $28.55 )
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 ( $24.95 )
jStr8Flush posts small blind [$0.10].
camron04 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ 5c 5d ]
pnogueira56 calls [$0.25].
tight_fish45 raises [$0.50].
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.50].
jStr8Flush calls [$0.40].
camron04 raises [$1.75].
pnogueira56 folds.
tight_fish45 calls [$1.50].
fasin8ing1 calls [$1.50].
jStr8Flush folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 3h, 2h ]
camron04 bets [$2].
tight_fish45 raises [$6].
fasin8ing1 is all-In [$21.95]
camron04 folds.
tight_fish45 calls [$15.95].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
tight_fish45 shows [ Jh, Js ] a pair of jacks.
fasin8ing1 shows [ 5c, 5d ] three of a kind, fives.
fasin8ing1 wins $50.65 from the main pot with three of a kind, fives.

Loved it again .

#Game No : 4230911381
***** Hand History for Game 4230911381 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 01:45:19 ET 2006
Table Summertime (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: camron04 ( $24.76 )
Seat 5: pnogueira56 ( $24.85 )
Seat 6: tight_fish45 ( $28.85 )
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 ( $24 )
Seat 3: YenTung ( $26.60 )
Seat 2: crusoes7 ( $23.90 )
camron04 posts small blind [$0.10].
pnogueira56 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ 4s 2s ]
tight_fish45 raises [$1].
fasin8ing1 calls [$1].
crusoes7 folds.
YenTung folds.
camron04 folds.
pnogueira56 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 3s, 6c ]
tight_fish45 bets [$1].
fasin8ing1 raises [$4].
tight_fish45 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
tight_fish45 checks.
fasin8ing1 checks. ( waiting )
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
tight_fish45 checks.
fasin8ing1 checks. ( MISTAKE )
tight_fish45 shows [ Ad, Ks ] high card ace.
fasin8ing1 shows [ 4s, 2s ] a straight, two to six.
fasin8ing1 wins $9.85 from the main pot with a straight, two to six.

Ok so it was a mistake checking. However; I know something important. I know he will go all the way with AK, even when he gets raised on the flop. I could have bet that river .. Mistake on my part. Ok lets think of this smartly, by checking I know how he played what he played. If i bet and he folds, I know nothing. I figured it would be more beneficial since Ive seen this guy reload already to figure him out and play bigger hands into him. Who knows, I may have gotten a couple more bucks out of him.. But I have information and 10 bucks.. Good deal right?


Loved it once more.

#Game No : 4231066838
***** Hand History for Game 4231066838 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 02:06:22 ET 2006
Table Summertime (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: camron04 ( $29.60 )
Seat 5: pnogueira56 ( $13.43 )
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 ( $31.95 )
Seat 3: YenTung ( $24.75 )
Seat 2: crusoes7 ( $31.36 )
Seat 6: slickdarick ( $8.37 )
YenTung posts small blind [$0.10].
camron04 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ 3c 4h ]
pnogueira56 folds.
fasin8ing1: correct
camron04: lol
slickdarick raises [$1].
fasin8ing1 calls [$1]. ( mixing up) Slick is very loose and could have any two. And I dont care because hes got like 8 bucks left. I know he will play it all the way with TPNK ....
YenTung folds.
camron04 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 6s, 9d ]
slickdarick bets [$1]. ( standard C bet)
fasin8ing1 calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
slickdarick bets [$2].
fasin8ing1 calls [$2]. ( implied odds great )
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
slickdarick checks.
fasin8ing1 is all-In [$27.95] ( perfect timing, looks like Iam bullying)
slickdarick is all-In [$4.37]
slickdarick shows [ 7c, 7h ] three of a kind, sevens.
fasin8ing1 shows [ 3c, 4h ] a straight, three to seven.
fasin8ing1 wins $23.58 from side pot #1 with a straight, three to seven.
fasin8ing1 wins $16.24 from the main pot with a straight, three to seven.

Playing against the priest. Father liked to place Ace whatever... I take notes on that ..

#Game No : 4238131220
***** Hand History for Game 4238131220 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 23:43:09 ET 2006
Table No Maximum (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: imbluffn444 ( $32.92 )
Seat 8: feffg ( $25.11 )
Seat 10: khunt74 ( $10.80 )
Seat 4: fasin8ing1 ( $33.20 )
Seat 6: Quad9999s ( $31.81 )
Seat 5: artistathart ( $78.66 )
Seat 7: FatherPhilip ( $28.40 )
Seat 1: jerbear231 ( $13.54 )
Seat 9: bnecksouls ( $17.01 )
Seat 2: cumaguclu2 ( $6.76 )
cumaguclu2 posts small blind [$0.10].
imbluffn444 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Jh 7s ]
FatherPhilip: didnt get the flop
fasin8ing1: ty father
FatherPhilip: :)
fasin8ing1: blesseth thy child
fasin8ing1 folds.
FatherPhilip: lol
artistathart raises [$1].
FatherPhilip: ego te absolvo
Quad9999s folds.
FatherPhilip: im not a priest
FatherPhilip: i just want to be
FatherPhilip calls [$1].
feffg folds.
bnecksouls calls [$1].
khunt74 folds.
jerbear231 folds.
fasin8ing1: really
FatherPhilip: yes
FatherPhilip: i am not one, though
cumaguclu2 folds.
imbluffn444 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 7c, Ah ]
FatherPhilip: im in college
fasin8ing1: u cant still play poker?
FatherPhilip: graduating in 3 weeks
FatherPhilip: no i cant as a priest
artistathart bets [$1].
FatherPhilip raises [$2]. ( raised to the size of the pot)
bnecksouls folds.
fasin8ing1: well get your chips in man
FatherPhilip: lol
artistathart folds.
FatherPhilip: i know
FatherPhilip shows [ Ac, 8c ] a pair of aces.
FatherPhilip wins $6.10 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
Game #4238144617 starts.

Father pots it when he has an ace or top pair. Now all I have to do is play with him with a better kicker.

4 hands Later .. Let us Pray Father...

#Game No : 4238167692
***** Hand History for Game 4238167692 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 23:46:41 ET 2006
Table No Maximum (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: imbluffn444 ( $32.57 )
Seat 8: feffg ( $25.11 )
Seat 10: khunt74 ( $10.80 )
Seat 4: fasin8ing1 ( $32.85 )
Seat 6: Quad9999s ( $34.11 )
Seat 5: artistathart ( $74.56 )
Seat 7: FatherPhilip ( $31.25 )
Seat 1: jerbear231 ( $13.54 )
Seat 9: bnecksouls ( $16.36 )
Seat 2: cumaguclu2 ( $6.66 )
Quad9999s posts small blind [$0.10].
FatherPhilip posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Ad Jh ]
FatherPhilip: i like you guys
feffg folds.
bnecksouls folds.
khunt74 folds.
FatherPhilip: you play smart
FatherPhilip: i hate when people have no idea what theyre doing
FatherPhilip: you find them in these cheap games all the time
jerbear231 folds.
cumaguclu2 folds.
imbluffn444 folds.
FatherPhilip: im just here to have fun
fasin8ing1: me to .. they pay me nicely
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.25].
artistathart folds.
FatherPhilip: LOL yes :)
Quad9999s calls [$0.15].
FatherPhilip: but sometimes get lucky and take all your money
FatherPhilip checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 8c, Ks ]
FatherPhilip: its hard to play them
Quad9999s checks.
FatherPhilip bets [$0.74]. ( look familiar? ) pot size bet -
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.74].
Quad9999s folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
FatherPhilip bets [$3.58]. ( pot size bet says I have an ace) " look familiar"
fasin8ing1 calls [$3.58].
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
FatherPhilip checks.
fasin8ing1 checks. ( scare card) I dont mind checking this .. I could be wrong.
FatherPhilip shows [ As, 9s ] a pair of aces.
fasin8ing1 shows [ Ad, Jh ] a pair of aces.
fasin8ing1 wins $8.94 from the main pot with a pair of aces with jack kicker.

We have gathered intelligence on Father.



I dont like playing hands like K J .... But key to these hands is to figure out early where you are so your not lost. From other hands above I know tightfish is a lagg and hes passive.

#Game No : 4230775847
***** Hand History for Game 4230775847 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 01:29:22 ET 2006
Table Summertime (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: jStr8Flush ( $0 )
Seat 4: camron04 ( $28.81 )
Seat 5: pnogueira56 ( $17.80 )
Seat 6: tight_fish45 ( $16.55 )
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 ( $41.95 )
Seat 3: YenTung ( $24.75 )
tight_fish45 posts small blind [$0.10].
tight_fish45: nvm..
fasin8ing1 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Kd Jh ]
YenTung folds.
camron04 folds.
pnogueira56 folds.
tight_fish45 raises [$0.40].
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 4c, 7s ]
tight_fish45 bets [$0.50].
fasin8ing1 raises [$2].
tight_fish45 folds.

gotta be careful in some of these situations. Who is to say that father didn't have A8?

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Originally Posted by crushednuts

gotta be careful in some of these situations. Who is to say that father didn't have A8?

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Another reason why I check behind. Two pair really sucks in ring.

word...I like your check behind.. No reason to bet as you will only get called (or raised) by a hand better than yours.

disclaimer: :drunk:


I hesitate to reply because we've had issues before. but i post this with the best intentions.
first, i'd like to say nhs. however i think its important to realize when you got lucky vs. when you played great. secondly, while the results of these hands were nice, i have to believe that these types of plays are -ev and will cost u $ in the long term.

hand 1.

on flop you have oesd with over pair. i'm not sure how bad/good this line is; but poker stove results;

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27,862,866 games 16.985 secs 1,640,439 games/sec

Board: 4c 3h 2h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 36.4565 % 35.95% 00.71% { 5c5d }
Hand 2: 63.5435 % 63.19% 00.71% { JhJs }

so basically you hit a two outer to beat this guy. what if he had an ace? I think camron04 probably folded AQ/AK though.

hand 2.

Calling a raise with 42s? well you have position, but this can't pay off enough to justify the call and could get you into some dicey situations.

pokerstove; pre-flop
1,712,304 games 0.015 secs 114,153,600 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 37.5026 % 37.21% 00.30% { 4s2s }
Hand 2: 62.4974 % 62.20% 00.30% { AdKs }

pokerstove; postflop
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990 games 0.016 secs 61,875 games/sec

Board: 4c 3s 6c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 79.6465 % 78.28% 01.36% { 4s2s }
Hand 2: 20.3535 % 18.99% 01.36% { AdKs }

if you put him on AK/AQ or some other unpaired overcards then your flop play is good. I like the chk behind on the turn. If you have this guy on overcards you should value bet the river.

hand 3.
This is by far the worst of the lot imo. wow. you called pf with rags, you called the flop with nothing; no pair, no draw, nothing! what implied odds? dude has 4.37 left. you hit runner runner to win this hand. you're spewing here plain and simple.

hand 4 & 5: standard.

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Originally Posted by thnwkd

disclaimer: :drunk:


I hesitate to reply because we've had issues before. but i post this with the best intentions.
first, i'd like to say nhs. however i think its important to realize when you got lucky vs. when you played great. secondly, while the results of these hands were nice, i have to believe that these types of plays are -ev and will cost u $ in the long term.
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Kind words from a drunk guy...lol..jk .. You can always reply .

Your right I did catch some cards on the turn and river. I loosen up a little sometimes when I feel I can outplay my opponents. I do this when I see them make a riculous play. The problem Iam having is deciding what to play into them with. Sometimes I feel like you play rags against someone who thinks they have a big hand like A 8 in my situation and I will profit from it. So my real question is, when you limp into one of my scenarios what should I be trying to do ?

i agree with thnwkd about your 34o hand. that's just bad with or without notes. you don't have good implied odds at any point. you called the flop with no pair and no draw - a move which is usually reserved for when you want to float a pfr. what you did on that hand is what fish always do and is what keeps them coming back to feed the better players.

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

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Originally Posted by thnwkd

disclaimer: :drunk:


I hesitate to reply because we've had issues before. but i post this with the best intentions.
first, i'd like to say nhs. however i think its important to realize when you got lucky vs. when you played great. secondly, while the results of these hands were nice, i have to believe that these types of plays are -ev and will cost u $ in the long term.
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Kind words from a drunk guy...lol..jk .. You can always reply .

Your right I did catch some cards on the turn and river. I loosen up a little sometimes when I feel I can outplay my opponents. I do this when I see them make a riculous play. The problem Iam having is deciding what to play into them with. Sometimes I feel like you play rags against someone who thinks they have a big hand like A 8 in my situation and I will profit from it. So my real question is, when you limp into one of my scenarios what should I be trying to do ?

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whenever i sit down to play poker i try to make my decisions as simple as possible. this starts out with a very good pf strategy of which suited crap is not a part. there is no need to mix up or try to out play opp's @ 25nl, they will give you thier money when you have the best hand.
If you ask anyone on this forum who have played 25nl and are playing even higher buyins, i am 99% certain that they will tell you that most of their profits (85%+) comes from QQ+ and sets.

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Originally Posted by thnwkd

whenever i sit down to play poker i try to make my decisions as simple as possible. this starts out with a very good pf strategy of which suited crap is not a part. there is no need to mix up or try to out play opp's @ 25nl, they will give you thier money when you have the best hand.
If you ask anyone on this forum who have played 25nl and are playing even higher buyins, i am 99% certain that they will tell you that most of their profits (85%+) comes from QQ+ and sets.

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Agreed.

so is playing only pocket pairs optimal for 25NL?

I really dont like how these hands played out and think most of it was you getting good cards.

The first hand calling the first raise is fine as you can profitably set hunt, Id probably lay it down to the reraise though as it is going to be tough to get paid off enough to make this profitable. On the flop you have an overpair, but unimproved there is little chance that hand is good. I disagree with what thwnk said about you drawing to 2 outs, you had probably 8, 2 for a set and 6 for a straight, but if you did hit your opponents will most likely have redraw outs. With this action Id most likely lay it down right here because you really have almost 0 folding equity if you push and you arent getting the right odds to make your hand if you simply call and a call still leaves the possibility of getting reraised.


This is 6max, but raising 42s UTG is not a good play, and a river check isnt bad when you have the bottom end of a straight.

The next hand is really not good, preflop is a huge mistake. You said, "Slick is very loose and could have any two. And I dont care because hes got like 8 bucks left." For that reason, he has $8 left, you shouldnt call the raise, he doesnt have enough to pay off any hand you could hit the implied odds just arent there, let alone that fact that your hand is 43o. On the flop you said he was making a standard cbet, what does calling do to increase your chances of winning the hand? If you are trying to pick off a cbet, you need to raise somewhere, calling here with no draws is your worst option.

The read on "father" isnt solid after you only view one hand of him doing that, you need more than one hand to develop a solid read.

Id probably raise that flop with AJ, this could be a leak on my part though, but I dont really like jsut calling down here, especially with a flush draw on the board.

The last hand is the hand I think is the most decent. I wouldnt mind reraising pf, this is a standard blind steal and KJ is way ahead, the flop is standard as well.

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

so is playing only pocket pairs optimal for 25NL?

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Optimal? No.
Profitable? Yes.

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

I really dont like how these hands played out and think most of it was you getting good cards.

This is 6max, but raising 42s UTG is not a good play, and a river check isnt bad when you have the bottom end of a straight.

The next hand is really not good, preflop is a huge mistake. You said, "Slick is very loose and could have any two. And I dont care because hes got like 8 bucks left." For that reason, he has $8 left, you shouldnt call the raise, he doesnt have enough to pay off any hand you could hit the implied odds just arent there, let alone that fact that your hand is 43o. On the flop you said he was making a standard cbet, what does calling do to increase your chances of winning the hand? If you are trying to pick off a cbet, you need to raise somewhere, calling here with no draws is your worst option.

The read on "father" isnt solid after you only view one hand of him doing that, you need more than one hand to develop a solid read.

Id probably raise that flop with AJ, this could be a leak on my part though, but I dont really like jsut calling down here, especially with a flush draw on the board.

The last hand is the hand I think is the most decent. I wouldnt mind reraising pf, this is a standard blind steal and KJ is way ahead, the flop is standard as well.

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

so is playing only pocket pairs optimal for 25NL?

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Optimal? No.
Profitable? Yes.

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Definately listen to all of this advice... and I think you need to review you're implied odds, Hand 3 definately had no implied odds at all, especially because he only had $8...

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

The next hand is really not good, preflop is a huge mistake. You said, "Slick is very loose and could have any two. And I dont care because hes got like 8 bucks left." For that reason, he has $8 left, you shouldnt call the raise, he doesnt have enough to pay off any hand you could hit the implied odds just arent there, let alone that fact that your hand is 43o. On the flop you said he was making a standard cbet, what does calling do to increase your chances of winning the hand? If you are trying to pick off a cbet, you need to raise somewhere, calling here with no draws is your worst option.

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Originally Posted by renegaderob1

Definately listen to all of this advice... and I think you need to review you're implied odds, Hand 3 definately had no implied odds at all, especially because he only had $8...

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So on the turn the pot was offering me 3:1 odds. I can add one more bet to that to get about 4:1 to make my straight because he has 4 dollars left. I put him on K Q, K 10 , maybe a small PP. I add the one more bet on there because I can expect to get paid off at least one extra bet if I hit my straight. Implied odds really dont have anything to do with how much your opponent has left unless they push. If he had pushed into the flop or the turn than yes, my implied odds would have sucked and it would have been - EV for me to continue. Correct me if Iam mistaken. No disagreeing with you, I understood it this way.

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

The read on "father" isnt solid after you only view one hand of him doing that, you need more than one hand to develop a solid read.

Id probably raise that flop with AJ, this could be a leak on my part though, but I dont really like jsut calling down here, especially with a flush draw on the board.

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I had a few reads on Father on playing Ace rags or TPNK all the way down.. But doesnt make sense to post every hand on here how father plays. I wouldnt suggest you raise that flop either with Top pair Jack kicker. With father playing any ace, when you raise and he calls, I think you wouldnt know where you are in the hand. I was OOP this hand and calling is fine and checking behind is the right move.

Your implied odds were there (just) for the turn call, but they were not "great" as you put them... your implied odds for the flop call were not there at all and calling here is not good; either raise or get out of that hand

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

So on the turn the pot was offering me 3:1 odds. I can add one more bet to that to get about 4:1 to make my straight because he has 4 dollars left. I put him on K Q, K 10 , maybe a small PP. I add the one more bet on there because I can expect to get paid off at least one extra bet if I hit my straight. Implied odds really dont have anything to do with how much your opponent has left unless they push. If he had pushed into the flop or the turn than yes, my implied odds would have sucked and it would have been - EV for me to continue. Correct me if Iam mistaken. No disagreeing with you, I understood it this way.

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Implied odds have almost everything to do with how much your opponent has left. If Im play $0.25/.50 and my opponent raises to $2 and I have 88 and think I need a set to win should I still call if he only has $8 left after that bet? No, becuase he doesnt have enough to pay me off. Your implied odds against a short stack are not as good as they would be against a big stack [assuming both would call/bet/raise, etc. the same % of the time]. Given his stack size I do not think this play is +EV, regardless of his stack I dont think it would ever be +EV, the hand is 42o, making two pair with that hand is very vulnerable, your only shot is to make a straight [or a full house]. If you are going to mix it up, dont do it with total junk. And you said that his flop bet was a standard cbet, why did you call it? You had no draws other than runner runner at this point and calling wont make him fold and you didnt float trying to push him off his handon the turn. To pick off cbets you cant call unless you are planning on getting them off the hand on the turn or river. The order of options on this flop from best to worst would go fold, raise, call.

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

I had a few reads on Father on playing Ace rags or TPNK all the way down.. But doesnt make sense to post every hand on here how father plays. I wouldnt suggest you raise that flop either with Top pair Jack kicker. With father playing any ace, when you raise and he calls, I think you wouldnt know where you are in the hand. I was OOP this hand and calling is fine and checking behind is the right move.

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You never mentioned that, you simply showed one hand and said "we have gained a read." The flop is 3 way, he bet the pot, in this situation I dont mind calling, if he had bet closer to 1/2 pot I would have raised. I dont have a problem with the turn and river, I just wouldnt have minded a flop raise to get the pot headsup, I dont really like calling down PSBs without a stronger hand than this.