Originally Posted by Renton
#1- I raise to 1.5 preflop. TT is the sixth best hand in hold 'em and should be raised as such IMO. Plus you might be able to buy position. As played I'd call the flop bet and probably fold to the large turn PSB.
pre-flop
Hud and PT had these guys rated as SLN and SLA, I didnt think a raise to 1.5 would have any effect on these guys. IT GETS MORE MONEY IN THE POT WHILE YOU HAVE THE BEST HAND (TT IS PROBABLY BEST HERE), PLUS IT ALLOWS YOU TO REPRESENT AN ACE HIGH FLOP. other than building the pot and my hand would likely not be good on the flop. btw I have position already. NO THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE REMAINING TO ACT, EACH OF WHOM IS GETTING VERY APPEALING POT ODDS TO PLAY ANY TWO CARDS WITH POSITION.
but lets say i raise to 1.5 both villians call, flop comes T A 2r, both chk or bet .5 - .75 pot, I raise, easy fold for villians NOT NECESSARILY, THEY COULD BE ON AN ACE. BESIDES, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET A SET PAID OFF IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU CAN'T WIN A BIG POT UNLESS BOTH YOU AND VILLAIN HAVE A GOOD HAND. nice pot but not what i'm looking for, I'm looking to double up with a hidden set. SO, IN LIMPING BEHIND, YOU ARE HOPING TO GIVE VILLAINS THE CHANCE TO HIT THE FLOP HARD, WHILE YOU HIT YOUR SET. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. THE RANGE OF HANDS THEY COULD HAVE WILL BEAT A SET WHEN THEY HIT THE FLOP (E.G. 67s) IF NO ONE HAS A GOOD HAND IN THE FIRST PLACE (NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR RAISING, THEN I THINK ITS THE BEST BET TO RAISE AND GET MONEY IN THE FLOP SO YOU CAN AT LEAST TAKE DOWN A DECENT POT ON THE FLOP, WHETHER YOU HIT OR NOT.
post flop
"As played I'd call the flop bet and probably fold to the large turn PSB."
So you're just donating? NO, THIS IS RESULTS ORIENTED. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN KNOW THAT HE WILL BET STRONG ON THE TURN. YOU SEE THIS IN RETROSPECT AND IT SEEMS LIKE DONATING. IN REALITY, MOST OF THE TIME HE WILL HAVE BEEN BETTING A 9, AND MIGHT SLOW DOWN ON THE TURN IF SOMEONE CALLS HIS FLOP OVER BET. THE FACT THAT HE CONTINUES BETTING POT ON THE TURN GIVES YOU MORE INFORMATION AND ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE LAYDOWN.
#2- I raise the flop to 10-12. Then I check behind the turn (he'll usually check if you raise), and get it all in on the river. He could have AK but I don't care, cuz I beat AJ, AQ, AT, and XXd, and thats enough for +EV.
Ok. but what is the plan if he goes AI?, what if he folds? if he folds than he had a hand i beat and i just ran him off :cry: DON'T EVER BE AFRAID OF RUNNING PEOPLE OFF. SLOWPLAYING IS A HIGHLY OVERRATED PRACTICE. ON THIS BOARD YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUR HAND. CHANCES ARE NEITHER OF THE TWO PLAYERS HAVE THE FLUSH. CHANCES ARE BETTER THAT THEY ARE DRAWING TO A AND K HIGH FLUSHES. YOU NEED TO GET A LOT OF MONEY IN ON THIS FLOP WHILE YOU HAVE THE MOST EQUITY. BTW, IF HE GOES ALL IN I CALL, BECAUSE BY THAT POINT THE POT IS SO BIG THAT WE CAN CHASE OUR BOAT PROFITABLY. A DECENT SCENARIO WOULD BE A THREE WAY ALL IN, CUZ THEN, EVEN IF THEY BOTH HAVE THE MADE FLUSH, THEN YOU REALLY AREN'T LOSING MONEY
#3- I don't like this hand. Your preflop call is pretty -EV with villains short stack. I don't mind that call so much, but just understand that its very low to negative EV. As for postflop, I like this even less. Villain bet strong into a multiway pot. Unless he's a fool, he has 77 beat here. I think you are beat there at least 80% of the time
I agree that calling this raise against OR is -ev, but both limpers called i believe this changed things, if i hit somebody is getting stacked. ITS NOT THAT BAD, ITS JUST NOT THAT GOOD EITHER. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE +EV TO RERAISE (MAYBE).
I agree Post flop is questionable; 88+ beats me. but how often does shorty make this play (pf raise with limpers in) with KQ, AJ+ ? RARELY UNLESS HE'S DUMB.
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