I'd like to not lose these hands...

So I think he hit trips on the flop, I make a small'ish bet to see if he calls or raises. He raises so I take his word for it, he's got a good hand. Should I come over top his bet on the flop, bet the pot on the turn? I was still playing timid on the turn (he has trips, obviously :wink: ) so I thought he was revved up for a cr.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($9.23)
MP1 ($2.13)
MP2 ($6.56)
MP3 ($13.51)
CO ($9.83)
Hero ($9.27)
SB ($6.93)
BB ($2.52)
UTG ($3.19)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.05, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.73, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP3 calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.35) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.4, SB raises to $0.8, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.40.

Turn: ($3.95) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($3.95) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $5.38, Hero calls $3.38.

Final Pot: $14.71

Results in white below:
SB has 7h 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has As Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins $14.71.

Bet more on the flop. $0.40 into a $2.30 pot is letting anyone draw out.

Bet the Turn.

You don't take any oppurtunity to learn what villian has in his hand.

tThe river bet is supposed to be the flop bet bet the turn like myke said, how else do ya know if your ahead.

I think I just had a complete meltdown and went into this mode where I *knew* I was behind. I've noticed over the past few sessions my postflop AF dropped down to like 1.5 from 2.5. I don't know what has happened, I had decent sized loss yesterday so maybe I'm playing scared. Time to shake off the cobwebs.

play a little more maniacle post flop for one buy-in if your playing with good BR management. Pot sizedbets if you hit TP or a 4 card flush or OES andjust get back to raising and testing hands. But bail to reraises if your the short stack. I find I'll do this for a 5NL table once in a while when I catch myself playing timid or just breaking even. Just one buy-in and most likly you will double up quickly. you'd be suprised what people will call with to chase dreams.

That flop bet is incredibly weak and because it is so weak, any thinking opponent is going to raise it, you cant assume he has a set simply because he raised your flop bet. There is a flush draw on the board, you need to bet more to give them incorrect odds to call. On the flop I would bet $1.50-$2.

The turn brings a ten of diamonds, doesnt really do much unless somebody has AQd, but you still want to be betting here for value. You have no reason to believe your aces arent good here, bet between $2 and $3.

On the river you get a 7 of diamonds, this isnt really helping any hands unless they stuck around with a flush draw. As played I dont hate the river bet, but playing the river isnt my strong point, it might be better to check behind. You say you think you are beat on the flop, so then why bet the river? I dont know really, the way its played it is hard to say how the river should be played.

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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

play a little more maniacle post flop for one buy-in if your playing with good BR management. Pot sizedbets if you hit TP or a 4 card flush or OES andjust get back to raising and testing hands. But bail to reraises if your the short stack. I find I'll do this for a 5NL table once in a while when I catch myself playing timid or just breaking even. Just one buy-in and most likly you will double up quickly. you'd be suprised what people will call with to chase dreams.

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Im not too sure what I think of this advice or what its trying to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

That flop bet is incredibly weak and because it is so weak, any thinking opponent is going to raise it, you cant assume he has a set simply because he raised your flop bet. There is a flush draw on the board, you need to bet more to give them incorrect odds to call. On the flop I would bet $1.50-$2.

The turn brings a ten of diamonds, doesnt really do much unless somebody has AQd, but you still want to be betting here for value. You have no reason to believe your aces arent good here, bet between $2 and $3.

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Agree, stronger flop bet probably would have made the opp fold.

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I think I just had a complete meltdown and went into this mode where I *knew* I was behind. I've noticed over the past few sessions my postflop AF dropped down to like 1.5 from 2.5. I don't know what has happened, I had decent sized loss yesterday so maybe I'm playing scared. Time to shake off the cobwebs.

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Im not too sure what I think of this advice or what its trying to accomplish.

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I was just stating that this is what I do when I find I'm getting this way, kind of get back to treating the buy-in as chips and not get timid. Just to stop being paranoid over the money lost at 5NL and break the tight-passive/passive play. I found a post where someone said thqt once you buy in that's no longer your money, it's your job to take the other persons money with your chips. And this is a quick little thing I do "if" I can to break out of the funk of that kind of play.

I think it was a funny sight, you bet 1/6th of the pot and then your opponent minraises you (?).. hehe.

Just make it a new rule, set in stone, to never bet below half the pot before the river. Never ever. I mean, if you value your hand so little that you want to bet under half the pot, better just check. Why put money in a pot when you don't like your hand right?

Ofcourse here you should like your hand. Overpair.. chances are good you are ahead. So bet for value. But why atleast half the pot? I think it helps to look at it this way: People are always drawing, even if it isn't a "standard" flush draw. In this particular case, your opponent is drawing to his 2 outs (another 7), so 8% to hit. If he would have had, say, QJ, then he'd be drawing to 5 outs to beat you (trips or 2 pair).. this is 20%.

So put a price out if you think you have a good hand, and let this price be atleast half the pot. Ofcourse this changes by the river.. no more cards are coming, the result is set in stone. So you can bet lower if you like. Like if you have no clue what's going on anymore and the pot is $10, no need to bet $5.. a so-called blocking bet is fine then.. let's say $2.5 or $3.

I think if you make this a rule then you avoid these kinds of situations :)

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

That flop bet is incredibly weak and because it is so weak, any thinking opponent is going to raise it, you cant assume he has a set simply because he raised your flop bet. There is a flush draw on the board, you need to bet more to give them incorrect odds to call. On the flop I would bet $1.50-$2.

The turn brings a ten of diamonds, doesnt really do much unless somebody has AQd, but you still want to be betting here for value. You have no reason to believe your aces arent good here, bet between $2 and $3.

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Agree, stronger flop bet probably would have made the opp fold.

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And if it didn't, betting the turn would have.

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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

I was just stating that this is what I do when I find I'm getting this way, kind of get back to treating the buy-in as chips and not get timid. Just to stop being paranoid over the money lost at 5NL and break the tight-passive/passive play. I found a post where someone said thqt once you buy in that's no longer your money, it's your job to take the other persons money with your chips. And this is a quick little thing I do "if" I can to break out of the funk of that kind of play.

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I agree with you that playing weak tight/passive/scared play isnt good, I just dont know if going completely the opposite and making PSBs with TPTK on dry boards is the best way either. But yes, I agree that you [not YOU] need to not dwell on loses and play scared.

at these stakes i just put my chips in the middle.
I bet he puts you on missed AK rather than anything else.

Not my standard play here but looking at this HH ithink its an easy push.

I agree with everyone else, you really need to bet about $1.50 into that pot. If anyone hit their trips they'd let you know, by either betting aggressive on the flop, or check raising you (c/r putting you all in). Your strong (and correct) pre-flop reraise screams KK/AA/AK, follow that up and everyone would fold, if someone is chasing, another 1/2 pot bet on the river would cause them to bail.

We've all been there we always envision the villian having the perfect hand. If you're a little to cautious at these stakes, drop down to $5NL (that's where I am right now).

Good luck.