how bad is this call

my first orbit at the table = zero reads. the reason i get confused here is because i hold the nut flush. i start licking my chops on the turn because i believe he has also made a flush. but then i start thinking "unraised pot, unraised pot, bad call with 53".

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $65.40
UTG+1: $71.65
UTG+2: $125.20
MP1: $96.50
MP2: $23.50
MP3: $94.80
CO: $68.90
siknd: $102.60
SB: $105.20
BB: $24.10

Pre-flop: (10 players) siknd is Button with A:spade: 6:spade:
6 folds, CO calls $1, siknd calls $1, SB calls $0.5, BB checks.

Flop: 3:diamond: 5:spade: Q:spade: ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, CO calls $3, siknd calls $3, SB calls $3.

Turn: 2:spade: ($16, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, siknd bets $10, SB calls $10, 2 folds.

River: 3:club: ($36, 2 players)
SB bets $15, siknd calls $15.

Results:
Final pot: $66
SB has 3S7S
siknd has AS6S


this is probably a 70$ mistake, because if hes willing to make this river play hes most likely willing to put it all in.

when i first read this hand, i thought it was tricky, but as i've thought about it, why would you not raise? I don't know that i'd push, but a raise to 40-50 would be nice. nowhere along the way has he shown any strength. i'm expecting to see something on the flop or turn from a set or 35.

Do you think SB check/calls this flop after a bet and 2 callers with a set? I don't think that's likely. He likely is on some sort of draw (or a complete donk which results show), so I am raising this river everytime, and calling a push.

plays like a flush to me. Raise/push.

yep, thats what i thought. sometimes i can be pathetically weak-tight.

I dont think its that bad without a read and I realy dont think its a 70$ mistake. Lets say it might be a 15$ mistake for a bump min raise at the end.

Flop, feals like some sort of draw (from both you and him).

Turn, you bet strong when the flush hits and all he has is 7 high. It feals like he is scared of a higher flush with the rather heavy calling action on the flop.

River, not a funny 3 but kinda weak raise, like he is trying to control the showdown or gain some info.

But then again, he did complete the blind with 73s. This is why you need those reads. Time to make some notes.

If you raise he will come over the top of you and that isnt a nice call to have to make. I think I probably just call with the stack sizes.

I dont think the other player is a donkey, why? I assume a donkey would play that turn harder.

If he aint a donkey (I dont know how they think), what semi solid player would push a 7 high flush with a paired board? Given the turn bet, it realy limit things.

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Originally Posted by Seabass

I dont think the other player is a donkey, why? I assume a donkey would play that turn harder.

If he aint a donkey (I dont know how they think), what semi solid player would push a 7 high flush with a paired board? Given the turn bet, it realy limit things.

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perhaps he was afraid of a fourth spade on the river, or perhaps he was getting greedy and wanted the third man in. i dont know. sadly, he was probably 'slow playing' it.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

plays like a flush to me. Raise/push.

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Without looking at results, how do you put him on a flush? The turn check/check call makes no sense!

I was thinking a Queen or really weakly played set.

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Originally Posted by Pelion

If you raise he will come over the top of you and that isnt a nice call to have to make. I think I probably just call with the stack sizes.

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how do you figure he'll come over the top? theirs a range o hands that that can beat him, the villian. I know I wouldn't go over the top when hero bets strong on the turn representing the flush and raises me when I bet the river. that's just throwing in dead money.

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Originally Posted by Pelion

If you raise he will come over the top of you and that isnt a nice call to have to make. I think I probably just call with the stack sizes.

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how do you figure he'll come over the top? theirs a range o hands that that can beat him, the villian. I know I wouldn't go over the top when hero bets strong on the turn representing the flush and raises me when I bet the river. that's just throwing in dead money.

Without any reads I'm a strong believer in not raising non-nut hands on the river.

im learning. i wanted to just call on the end SO bad. but thot it was too cowardly, and if im gonna ask for advice here then i better take it.

MP3 had just sat down, however from previous sessions i know he was a loose raiser but tight caller, who played a wide range of hands fairly well:

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $150
UTG+1: $75
UTG+2: $292.80
MP1: $210.45
MP2: $184
MP3: $199.20
CO: $34.20
Button: $319.20
SB: $164.20
siknd: $213.40

Pre-flop: (10 players) siknd is BB with K:spade: 9:club:
UTG calls $2, 4 folds, MP3 calls $2, 3 folds, 3 folds, siknd checks.

Flop: 9:spade: K:heart: T:club: ($7, 3 players)
siknd checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: K:club: ($7, 3 players)
siknd bets $4, UTG folds, MP3 calls $4.

River: A:spade: ($15, 2 players)
siknd bets $10, MP3 raises to $20, siknd raises to $75, MP3 calls $55.

Results:
Final pot: $165
siknd has 9CKS
MP3 has AH10S

whats makes these situations hard for me is that i would never make plays like the villian. i need to stop putting myself in others shoes, and focus on trusting reads. as fnord says 'you=him!?'

That was an awful play by the villian.

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Originally Posted by WildBobAA

Without any reads I'm a strong believer in not raising non-nut hands on the river.

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You're missing out on a lot of value. Particularly when it's safe to fold to a 3-bet.

what do you think of this last hand if its the nine that pairs instead of king? still pretty safe with weak pf action.