Medium pocket pair play

No real reads on this guy

What do you think of my line?

PokerStars Game #4275066766: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/03/13 - 14:35:43 (ET)
Table 'Gienah III' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: timleery ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Hovardio ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 5: jantje123 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 6: the_muldoon ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 7: cditttymacda ($13.20 in chips)
Seat 9: ProZachNatio ($9.10 in chips)
cditttymacda: posts small blind $0.05
ProZachNatio: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ProZachNatio [8d 8h]
Loop#16 joins the table at seat #2
timleery: folds
Hovardio: folds
jantje123: folds
the_muldoon: raises $0.20 to $0.30
cditttymacda: folds
cditttymacda is sitting out
ProZachNatio: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [5c 3h 7c]
cditttymacda leaves the table
MrLynX joins the table at seat #4
ProZachNatio: bets $0.30
the_muldoon: raises $0.70 to $1
ProZachNatio: raises $2 to $3
Lanimo joins the table at seat #7
the_muldoon: calls $2
*** TURN *** [5c 3h 7c] [3c]
ProZachNatio: bets $3
the_muldoon: raises $2.20 to $5.20 and is all-in
MD & DAD joins the table at seat #8
ProZachNatio: calls $2.20

gross...you can safely check/fold the turn

You're rarely good here.

Can anyone explain or go into more depth on what I can put him on here? Or how I could figure out how to put him on a hand here.

A set or bigger pair.

Lead for at least 3/4 pot (full pot would be better here) or check and see what happens. I hate the flop 3-bet. If you're willing to go to the felt here, I would CR AI a safe turn, but that's besides the point because as Fnord said, you're rarely good here.

Once he calls a 3bet, unless he is a COMPLETE asswipe, he has a big pair, a set, or two high clubs. Thus, the third club on the turn solidifies the fact that you're drawing to two outs.

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

Once he calls a 3bet, unless he is a COMPLETE asswipe, he has a big pair, a set, or two high clubs. Thus, the third club on the turn solidifies the fact that you're drawing to two outs.

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ORLY?

I actually put him on two over likes AT+ buuuuuuuuut heres what he did have......



*** RIVER *** [5c 3h 7c 3c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ProZachNatio: shows [8d 8h] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
the_muldoon: mucks hand
ProZachNatio collected $16.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.05 | Rake $0.80
Board [5c 3h 7c 3c 4c]
Seat 1: timleery folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Hovardio folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jantje123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: the_muldoon (button) mucked [Qs 5d]
Seat 7: cditttymacda (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: ProZachNatio (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won ($16.25) with two pair, Eights and Threes

Im lucky his fool ass didnt have a club.

*laugh*

With no read or reason to think he's terrible, you lose this hand a lot. However, it's easy to under-estimate how often you are good here once you learn to play tight poker. In any case, that's poker baby. Pay more attention and move onto the next hand.

so he was a complete asswipe...you said you didn't have any reads so you can't really brag about this

Thing is, Zach, even at $25NL this will lose you LOTS of money. He is telling you, repeatedly, that he has a strong hand. He *could* mean A7, feasibly, but a lower PP isn't happening unless it setted for him (and microlimit donks just don't ever raise PF with a low PP). I would have probably put him on TT-QQ, I think, but the key thing here is that he re-raises you on both the flop and, even after your re-re-raise, on the turn. In a novice player this will almost always mean a better hand.

You have put 2/3 of a stack in here with a mid pair on a co-ordinated board against a villain showing a LOT of strength. It'll usually end in tears.

the flop line is horrible IMO
note: IMO!