Should I have bet more on the turn?

A hand from an STT tonigt (0.04+0.01). Feel I invited this with my shakey bet on the turn.


Everest Poker — Hand Details
Hand ID: 200017155
Table ID: -8888206
Play Mode: Real
Tournament Table: Fuji-26
Game Type: Hold'em
Blinds: $0.50/$1.00
Stakes: $1.00/$1.00
Currency: USD
Starting Date: 2006-03-04 GMT
Starting Time: 20:55:08 GMT



Seating Arrangement:

DamasRoy is at seat 1 with 90.50.
juanytoelias is at seat 2 with 108.00.
sexgod51 is at seat 3 with 105.50.
chochi77o is at seat 4 with 97.00.
flacograu is at seat 5 with 172.50.
lo. is at seat 7 with 97.50.
Anosmic is at seat 8 with 126.00.
norlys is at seat 9 with 87.50.
djgabber is at seat 10 with 115.50.

Post Blinds:

The button is at seat 1.
juanytoelias posts the small blind of 0.50.
sexgod51 posts the big blind of 1.00.

Deal Pocket Cards:
Anosmic: 7s 5s

Pre-flop:
chochi77o calls 1.00.
flacograu calls 1.00.
lo. folds.
Anosmic raises 5.00.
norlys folds.
djgabber calls 5.00.
DamasRoy calls 5.00.
juanytoelias calls 4.50.
sexgod51 calls 4.00.
chochi77o folds.
flacograu calls 4.00.


Flop (5c 8h 7h):
juanytoelias checks.
sexgod51 raises 1.00.
flacograu calls 1.00.
Anosmic raises 35.00.
djgabber folds.
DamasRoy calls 35.00.
juanytoelias folds.
sexgod51 folds.
flacograu folds.


Turn (5c 8h 7h 4d):
Anosmic raises 5.00.
DamasRoy raises 50.50.
Anosmic folds.


Pot Summary:
45.50 is returned to DamasRoy (uncalled).
Total Pot: 113.00
DamasRoy wins 113.00.


My opponent showed KTo.

Arses.

You asked about your turn bet, and if you are going to bet the turn, your bet is horrible. You are betting $5 into a $100+ pot? You need to bet at least 2/3-3/4 of the pot here ... you need to tell your opponent you aren't afraid of the 4 straight on the board. That's if you decide to bet. One of the holdings that would have called you on the flop was a 6, and at tiny stakes, any 6 would have called you. Folding to the big bet on the turn is not a mistake. With so many to see the flop, the chances of a 6 out there are pretty good, and if you call the turn bet, you may have to put all your chips in on the river. But your turn bet did nothing but tell your opponent that you were weak. He played very well to push you off your hand. The real mistake here was raising preflop with a crappy hand. Early in a tourney, with 2 limpers already, I can see limping and hoping for a cheap flop, but raising 5xBB with 75 is just throwing chips away.

Yeah, that was just horrible and it felt wrong to put in that bet. I was just worried that checking would show my weakness and I knew a realistic bet would finish me if my opponent had the six.

So I put in a tiny bet and it was worse than checking. So I suppose in future I just check in this sort of position and be willing to fold to a confident bet?

As for the pf raise. It was part of an idea for that specific situation and I can't say I regret it. Not only did I hit a great flop (without that flop it'd be a dream) but I got to show, in consecutive hands that I raised pf with QQ and then 75s.

It may not be a good plan, but it's my plan and it's working okay. If I'm in the chip lead I'm willing to spend a few chips early when the bb's low on one hand like this... wish I'd done it from a better position though.

And I did manage to survive and finish second in the end, despite leaving the table for 10 minutes as chip-leader and returning to find myself in last place.

Fold preflop.

With so many people seeing the flop and with a draw heavy board I would overbet the flop. Your pot sized bet was OK, but I would have bet it harder. Once you got called it is pretty clear he is drawing to something, either the str8 or the flush.
I would gamble and push the turn, but if you think he has the 6 then fold, your turn bet is meaningless

Thanks TLR.

Just to re-iterate: 75s is not a regular starting hand. :)

You say "would have bet harder". Do you mean >1xpot? I'm not sure but a few posters here seem to have implied that betting more than the pot is, in general, not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Anosmic

Thanks TLR.

Just to re-iterate: 75s is not a regular starting hand. :)

You say "would have bet harder". Do you mean >1xpot? I'm not sure but a few posters here seem to have implied that betting more than the pot is, in general, not a good idea.

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I do mean more then pot sized bet.

In general it is not a good idea because betting the pot is enough to give bad pot odds to those chasing flushes or str8s, and there is no good reason to overbet - you just scare away the action from hands you have beat.

However with this kind of board and the number of people seeing the flop I believe you have the best hand but there is a good chance it will be beat on the turn or river. The pot is nice enough to take down right then and there

hmm re-raising with 75 ia a play u usually want a good reason for doing

on the turn I'd say just check/fold to a big bet the straight is VERY likly considering the number of opponents who saw the flop.
The 5$ bet is just rediculus and has no use... either bet something meaningful or not at all.

And if you feel that checking show weakness then u might have to start check-raising more good hand on the turn so your opponents dont know u are weak everytime u check the turn.

should your opponent check behind on the turn and a blevnk falls on the river i would bet the river

Raising a hand like 75s occassionally in a STT is reasonable when the blinds are still low. You aren't risking a huge amount of chips and the payoffs can be huge ... both on that hand, and, if you happen to showdown and someone notices, on later hands. If you like this play and it suits your game, by all means use it. I wouldn't use it more than twice in a STT though, and definitely not if the raise represents a significant portion of your chips.

As for overbetting the pot on the flop, this is very reasonable. You have a very vulnerable hand. The pot is 6 way. A normal bet of 2/3 pot-pot is likely to get called by several people ... and once one person calls, the others will have much better odds. The right bet is probably around 2x pot or even more.