AKs with a raise before me ($11 FO)

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03-04-2006, 04:34 PM
donkbee

AKs with a raise before me ($11 FO)

AKs, so pretty, but I didn't know what to do with it. Given no reads, is it okay to just fold it?

PokerStars Game #4166960205: Tournament #20356839, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/03/03 - 22:59:48 (ET)
Table '20356839 45' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: cashtorg (4595 in chips)
Seat 2: - Zoe - (2183 in chips)
Seat 3: mfergy24 (4602 in chips)
Seat 4: billm420 (3360 in chips)
Seat 5: gedd-stock (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: wrmoss2003 (1495 in chips)
Seat 7: bartown (4455 in chips)
Seat 8: LANESTALEY (3980 in chips)
Seat 9: courtiebee (3025 in chips)
courtiebee: posts small blind 50
cashtorg: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [Ah Kh]
- Zoe -: folds
mfergy24: calls 100
billm420: raises 400 to 500
gedd-stock: folds
wrmoss2003: folds
bartown: folds
LANESTALEY: folds
courtiebee: folds
03-05-2006, 01:54 AM
WildBobAA

I would gamble, but I haven't FT'd an MTT in ages so don't listen to me.
03-05-2006, 06:21 AM

You can fold, or you can call and see a flop if you are confident in your postflop play against an unknown player. I would never, however, reraise this against an unknown out of position.
03-05-2006, 11:01 AM
WildBobAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

You can fold, or you can call and see a flop if you are confident in your postflop play against an unknown player. I would never, however, reraise this against an unknown out of position.

This is a definate push/fold situation.
03-05-2006, 11:12 AM
sykotik489

Why play it so weak? A LOT of raising hands are hands that you have dominated, and all but two are coinflips. I at least take a flop with this, but probably re-raise to around 1200. Knowing that if he pushes you have to call.
03-05-2006, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

You can fold, or you can call and see a flop if you are confident in your postflop play against an unknown player. I would never, however, reraise this against an unknown out of position.

This is a definate push/fold situation.

Stacks are deep enough for some postflop play.
03-05-2006, 01:43 PM
Sprayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

You can fold, or you can call and see a flop if you are confident in your postflop play against an unknown player. I would never, however, reraise this against an unknown out of position.

This is a definate push/fold situation.

I have to go with Bob on this one.
03-05-2006, 04:04 PM
Zidane18

push
push
push
push

folding this is beyond a joke. why would u ever fold?

how do you ever win a tournament playing like that?

Push
Push
Push
03-05-2006, 04:06 PM
donkbee

lol
03-05-2006, 04:17 PM
Zidane18

Quote:

Originally Posted by courtiebee

lol

push - 70% of the time u prob have him dominated
03-05-2006, 04:36 PM
chardrian

Dwarf - the problem with calling out of position here is that you are basically just playing for a flop. It's an ok play but by calling you might very well end up throwing away the best hand when a nonA/K flop comes and then you just fold on any continuation bet.

The beautiful part of the push here is you will often get a call out of a bad player with a hand like AQ or Ax suited. And at worst you are probably racing. You can also get a fold out of a lot of hands.

The bad part of the push is that you also have a chance of being up against KK/AA and/or you might be behind in a race.

I don't see how you can fold here. That's just way too weak.

I think I'm pushing there.
03-05-2006, 05:41 PM
unidentity

it depends

I don't mind a fold here, but it all depends on when you want to make a stand. You weren't short stacked so you don't need to gamble on a coinflip, so waiting for a better position to open a pot isn't bad. Then agian, if you aren't going to call/push a raise with AKs what are you calling a raise with? I tend to be very aggressive and hate reaching ITM and not hitting the final so I agree with chardrian, I am pushing here.
03-06-2006, 09:31 AM
drmcboy

you need a tight read to fold here, against typical opp it is clear push.
03-06-2006, 02:39 PM
Rondavu

You might try a stop and go. Any flop gives you outs. if you're against a pocket pair between 77-JJ, then lots of flops you miss on give you fold equity.
03-06-2006, 02:42 PM
drmcboy

you're assuming limper folds if you call, and BB?
03-06-2006, 05:49 PM
Zidane18

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmcboy

you're assuming limper folds if you call, and BB?

u have ace king

so what if they call
03-06-2006, 07:00 PM
Sprayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zidane18

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmcboy

you're assuming limper folds if you call, and BB?

u have ace king

so what if they call

I think dr is saying that by calling you are increasing the odds for others to call as well. You do not want that many players in the hand. That's why a push is somewhat a better play. You isolate, make people play for all of thier chips, or you win it right there if everyone folds (which they won't).
03-06-2006, 07:05 PM
Lipkin

I think that if you were to act directly behind the raiser, more of a case for folding could be made, as you really don't want to play all in against the raiser and the limper. I think if you were on the button you could probably make a case for seeing the flop. But as the only two people left in the hand are the limper and the raiser, a shove looks almost ideal.
03-07-2006, 03:21 PM
Flurg

There are many hands that you dominate, and only 2 that dominate you = AI.
03-08-2006, 04:20 PM
lambchopdc

I think this is an easy call here. You have 30 BB to start the hand. Who cares if you're out of position? Flop comes rags...cya.. I put the raiser on TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK. If flop comes A high or K high and he has AA or KK, damn that sux, gg MTT. I see no reason to put your entire tourney on a pre-flop coinflip here and i don't see the raiser (5x) folding to a push, he likes his hand. You defintely are not folding AK here tho.
03-08-2006, 04:29 PM
zenbitz

I don''t like the push because we still have cheeps and are probably on the short end of the 45-55 coinflip. I think TT/JJ call your push all day and twice on sundays, and that is bleah.

I like the stop-n-go... although I don't know what I do if the flop comes QT9 or something

You need a read on raiser:
tight or passive: fold
loose or aggressive: push
weak: stop-n-go
average: flip a three-sided coin.
03-08-2006, 04:31 PM
chardrian

Why are you putting the raiser on such good hands?

If my range was that tight, then a call is the correct play.

But since I think the raiser could easily have a hand like ATs+, or QK I like the push here preflop. The push could also get a good player off of a mid/highish pair because he knows you know he has a good ahnd and yet you are still willing to push.
03-08-2006, 05:05 PM
JeffreyGB

I'm probably pushing here. That raise doesn't look threatening to me, and this early I don't interpret an EP limp as worrisome either.

Why no reads? Did you just join the table?
03-08-2006, 06:36 PM
donkbee

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffreyGB

Why no reads? Did you just join the table?

yes