Printable View
GAMB00LPoker&SportBook 100NL
4 limpers, SB completes, I check in the BB with K:heart: 5:diamond:
$6 pot
Flop is: K:diamond: 6:heart: 2:club:
Checked to button who bets $4
Button has about $50 and I cover. I've seen him around a bit, loose/active player.
I call, everyone else folds.
$14 pot
Turn is: 9:diamond:
I check, Button bets $9, I insta-call
$32 pot
River is J:heart:
I bet $10..
I like the river bet, lemme guess he called and showed down TT or some crap
I normally lead out on the flop, but I also like the way you played it given that he was a loose/active player.
If nothing else, the river bet gives you a cheap showdown against most hands that have you beat here. You may also be value betting with the best hand, although I don't think that bet makes any better hands fold.
If it wasn't played so passively (not necessarily a bad thing, don't take it as such), I like a river check/call or check/fold here.
It always feels like it's Donald Rumsfeld actually posting these. Maybe i'm insane.
This seems like something that would require a good read on a specific player. I think you took the money whether he called or not.
Checking gives me a chance to dump to a more credible bet or certainly a bet + call/raise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Not a very strong read. Plays lots of hands, probably takes them a tad far (but his stack size mitigates this) and I speculated he was capable of a button bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfAkira
Fnord, given your read of the player, what would you consider a "credible bet"? Potsize?
Seeing a free flop in the BB and flopping good TPNK is a situation that I struggle with. To Lukie - sometimes I'll lead out on the flop but getting raised OOP sucks. Depending on the opp, getting called OOP might suck even worse...
I'm just as interested in who made the bet and from what position as I am in the size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinky
Getting raised is easy to deal with. Getting called is much worse, often I just check the turn unimproved intending to fold to a real bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinky
Tanked for about 10 sec and folded.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmontis
Is your river bet a blocking bet or to avoid him checking behind and missing a bet?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Les_Worm
If I check...
Marginal hands with showdown value check behind
Bust hands bluff or give up, they might even put down a difficult bet to call.
Strong hands bet for value.
If I bet...
Marginal hands might call
Bust hands are confronted with a raise/fold and probably fold. Once in a blue moon they call.
Strong hand might raise for value depending on how strong they think I am.
Getting raised by a player with position on you sucks here if you are holding AK. This junk is easy to fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinky
If you lead out here, you want all folds. If you don't get folds, you want to get raised so you can dump it. If you get a call, how you proceed on the turn becomes much murkier.
This played like the classic limit way ahead/ way behind scenario, especially nice against an aggressive player. Well played.
My default play is also to check a TPWK hand into a field. However, if less people see the flop (3 or less), I sometimes mix this play up and lead out with a bet on the flop, but I force myself to have a provide a solid justification first. Like, I just took down 3 pots in a row, if I bet here into these two guys, they aren't going to believe me, and they may call me down with second pair or a PP. This is very opponent and situation dependent and tends to work a little better in LHE since people tend to go a little further with marginal hands because they don't have the implied threat of huge bets on later streets.
As I say, by default, I much prefer checking my TPN(W)K hands into the field. Depending on how aggro my opponents are, I might even check it HU. With a check, you get information from the action behind you and you also add a little deception. Often, if an under-card comes on the TURN, second pair and/or low PPs on the flop start to think they have the best hand. You make more when you are ahead, and lose less when behind.
If you are good at smelling weakness, and you notice this pattern of play in your EP-opponents, it opens up a stealing opportunity for you if you are in LP. Sometimes, when I know a player has this tendency to check TPWK, AND they give off a 'I should bet, but I'll check to see what happens' tell, I'll bet the flop (3/4 to pot) if I'm last or second last to act no matter what my two cards are to try and steal it by representing TPGK. If they call, sometimes you have to fire another barrel to convince them. This play often works better when you are second last to act; if you are last, sometimes, the bet is interpreted for what it is, a steal. Look to your left if you aren't last before trying this.
I love it when they flash their ace or king and say, I think I'm out kicked and muck their hand. Which is always followed by a "good laydown" comment from me :)
To me, an interesting question is how do you defend against this kind of steal-with-position play? Ironically, you can either bet the flop, or check call an over-aggressive who tends to over-use their position to steal. Any other plays that people use here? I guess on some level, it's not worth defending against, you probably aren't giving up that much if you just let it go since these pots tend to be on the small side anyhow.