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Typical SS play: One limper EP, I am MP with KQs and raise 4BB, all folds to SS in LP who pushes 20BB. All folds, you are last to act.
Obvioulsly we have no reads since situation is hypothetical.
What range are you comfortable in calling with?
Me: AA-TT, AK unless a read indicates I should tighten or loosen those requirements.
Discuss . . .
The same hands I would call a 20BB PFR if I hadn't raised - AA/KK/QQ unless I have a read.
I agree with r8ed.
The only time I'd call with KQs is if he just took a bad beat or has lost a serous of hands in a row and think he is unlikely to have a PP. I'd put him on Ax with about a 6 kicker if thats the situation.
But without that happening I'd fold.
20BB isn't short stacked.
You don't think Short Stacks push with a wider range of hands? I think you might be leaving money on the table.
They do, but I'm not going to play table cop with anything less than a high PP. It depends on how they got short stacked. If they sat at the table for 5 orbits without playing a hand or they just sat down, I don't bother. If I see them playing poor hands fast previous to this, then my range opens up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly String
AA/KK/QQ
I don't like racing in cash games.
AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK should be insta-calls here against most short stacks. Depending on my feel, I might add such hands as TT.. waiting for AA/KK or even AA/KK/QQ here is silly IMO.. unless the SS is doing nothing but folding for long periods of time and pushing. But in my experience, this generally isn't how they operate.
20 BB is in no way shortstacked. 10 BB is like, minimum to even consider this.
Given the situation, I'd say AA, KK, QQ.
In a more realistic situation... Short stack at circa ~5BB, my range opens up a lot, but so much of that depends on a lot of factors not discussed here: Position. Reads... and probably most importantly: My Stack Size. You can call the short stack all in with ANY TWO given enough of the other variables and situational consideration being in your favor.... and this applies to tournament play.
In a ring game? No need to gambol against a short stack without a real hand, regardless of his stack size.
Aren't cash games all about pushing edges. Avoiding races like JJvs.AK is leaving money on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRICHeyes
Theres no information on how often he has been pushing in the last while. First hand when you sit at a new table.. Does that change things?
So if you are playing 200NL and someone pushes for $40 you call with TT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly String
I guess I should have specified that I play at 25NL. The play there is decidedly weaker than at 200NL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Les_Worm
If SS is agressive and you consider your initial 4x raise, some dead money from limpers/blinds, I don't think that call would be at all unreasonable. If they are just camping and obviously waiting for a hand like QQ-AA, then that would be a terrible call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Les_Worm
Not the way I play them. I don't think mopping up these small edge situations compensates for the huge increaces in variance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly String
Not particularly although I would likely lop TT off that list and maybe JJ depending on if he is 16BB or 24BB.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRICHeyes
And I don't care about the definition of SS, at 25NL when a guy has $4-5 they play like they are SS. They push TPTK all the time, and their pushing range is opened up considerably from a solid 100BB stacked opponent..
Good Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRICHeyes
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Originally Posted by Lukie
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Originally Posted by Silly String
First of all, 20bb is not a medium sized stack, so it must be short.
Obviously a little depeds on read, but without a read I will call with:
88-AA, AK-AQ, sometimes 78s for shits and giggles.
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
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I like to gambOOl so anything i think is dominating, AK the top three AA/KK/QQ possibly also JJ but i doubt TT.
I dont like the race anymore simply because i can put short stack to a race with better odds for me post flop eg my pp/pair against his overs on a raggedy flop. Those odds il put him here, unlikely without something big.
The same range you think he's pushing with. Dead money in the pot makes it +EV. And that's what ring games are all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly String
Played some 100NL last week at a table with a (probably drunk) maniac who was literally pushing 9 out of 10 hands (100-200$ stack). During his stay at the table I called with 66, AKo, KQs and KK. He showed AK, Q8, 95 and T7. I lost about 50$ to him.
Funny thing was that after he busted and left, everyone started critizising my calls.. They were all waiting for AA/KK. Quote: 'There's no need to take a risk with a 66-33% coinflip'. :?