when an opponent holds an overpair or a big Ace

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12-28-2005, 03:39 PM
bunthorne

when an opponent holds an overpair or a big Ace

Any comments on this hand which I played recently? It is a situation which arises from time to time.

I watch my opponents very carefully and make notes on the hands they play, what they raise with, betting patterns, bluffing frequency etc so that I get a picture of how they play. Most play fairly standardly, raising preflop with big aces, pairs, sometimes with high cards and even suited connectors. All fairly normal.

Six players on the table - a 1/2 cash game, max buy in $200. With $250 I raise UTG to 3xbb with 77 button player 4 folds, player 5 with $2230 reraises to 8xbb, button sb and bb fold, I call. Having been watching my opponent closely I put him on a middle-high pair, AK, AQ, AJ or AT suited at the least.

Flop comes down 8 4 2 rainbow - not a bad flop for a pair of 77s. I make a pot sized bet and my opponent raises twice this. After a little thought I mucked.

Was I right? I knew my opponent might have had an overpair but he also might have had a big A and might occasionally try a move like this, in which case I'd be winning and a huge favourite. As I couldn't put him on a specific hand, I folded.

This is a situation I find difficult to handle, when I'm certain my opponent had one hand or another (middle/high pair or big A). I guess it just comes down to judgment. But any tips would be welcome.
12-28-2005, 03:41 PM
bunthorne

Re: when an opponent holds an overpair or a big Ace

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Originally Posted by bunthorne

Any comments on this hand which I played recently? It is a situation which arises from time to time.

I watch my opponents very carefully and make notes on the hands they play, what they raise with, betting patterns, bluffing frequency etc so that I get a picture of how they play. Most play fairly standardly, raising preflop with big aces, pairs, sometimes with high cards and even suited connectors. All fairly normal.

Six players on the table - a 1/2 cash game, max buy in $200. With $250 I raise UTG to 3xbb with 77 button player 4 folds, player 5 with $2230 reraises to 8xbb, button sb and bb fold, I call. Having been watching my opponent closely I put him on a middle-high pair, AK, AQ, AJ or AT suited at the least.

Flop comes down 8 4 2 rainbow - not a bad flop for a pair of 77s. I make a pot sized bet and my opponent raises twice this. After a little thought I mucked.

Was I right? I knew my opponent might have had an overpair but he also might have had a big A and might occasionally try a move like this, in which case I'd be winning and a huge favourite. As I couldn't put him on a specific hand, I folded.

This is a situation I find difficult to handle, when I'm certain my opponent had one hand or another (middle/high pair or big A). I guess it just comes down to judgment. But any tips would be welcome.

sorry - my opponent had $230, not $2230
12-28-2005, 03:46 PM
bearcats05

he probably has an overpair... you should fold unless you really think that he doesnt.
12-28-2005, 04:37 PM
Miffed22001

easy and correct fold imo. Betting gave u all the information you needed, although id be tempted to check raise here and really define opps hand
12-28-2005, 05:17 PM
Pelion

Re: when an opponent holds an overpair or a big Ace

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Originally Posted by bunthorne

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunthorne

Any comments on this hand which I played recently? It is a situation which arises from time to time.

I watch my opponents very carefully and make notes on the hands they play, what they raise with, betting patterns, bluffing frequency etc so that I get a picture of how they play. Most play fairly standardly, raising preflop with big aces, pairs, sometimes with high cards and even suited connectors. All fairly normal.

Six players on the table - a 1/2 cash game, max buy in $200. With $250 I raise UTG to 3xbb with 77 button player 4 folds, player 5 with $2230 reraises to 8xbb, button sb and bb fold, I call. Having been watching my opponent closely I put him on a middle-high pair, AK, AQ, AJ or AT suited at the least.

Flop comes down 8 4 2 rainbow - not a bad flop for a pair of 77s. I make a pot sized bet and my opponent raises twice this. After a little thought I mucked.

Was I right? I knew my opponent might have had an overpair but he also might have had a big A and might occasionally try a move like this, in which case I'd be winning and a huge favourite. As I couldn't put him on a specific hand, I folded.

This is a situation I find difficult to handle, when I'm certain my opponent had one hand or another (middle/high pair or big A). I guess it just comes down to judgment. But any tips would be welcome.

sorry - my opponent had $230, not $2230

There is an edit button next to the quote button if you want to change stuff like this in the original post :)
12-28-2005, 07:58 PM
Lukie

I like a check/fold here. Truthfully, I don't see a reason to get too involved here with deep stacks OOP in a very marginal situation. I say the plan when you call the reraise preflop should be to flop it or drop it.
12-28-2005, 08:19 PM
Fnord

Never been a big fan of this bet, outside of very specific situations. AK will raise you here too often, sets will jerk you around and TT won't fold.

Sometimes I check/raise here, sometimes I call and see what he wants to tell me on the turn, often I just fold.
12-29-2005, 03:50 AM
bunthorne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

I like a check/fold here. Truthfully, I don't see a reason to get too involved here with deep stacks OOP in a very marginal situation. I say the plan when you call the reraise preflop should be to flop it or drop it.

The only reason I didn't check/fold but chose to bet was that if I check my opponent, the reraiser, is bound to bet no matter what he has. I took the view that it was worth seeing whether or not he'd fold a big A if he missed the flop. Of course he didn't, or maybe he had an overpair.

Perhaps it should have been "no set, no bet"?