Just another AA hand

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12-27-2005, 12:40 PM
johnny_fish

Just another AA hand

No reads.. Thought about folding the river.. Should I play this any different?

** Game ID 625648564 starting - 2005-12-27 02:30:03

** Beast of Burden [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- uglystick sitting in seat 1 with $192.70
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 2 with $215.45 [Dealer]
- NewDog sitting in seat 3 with $168.80
- SKIBUM867 sitting in seat 4 with $240.43
- dave0001 sitting in seat 5 with $43.67
- nicholas1976 sitting in seat 6 with $60.21
- Pokerbuzzer sitting in seat 7 with $243.80
- player1 sitting in seat 8 with $222.40
- bellbird sitting in seat 9 with $63.61
- EWeb sitting in seat 10 with $79.30

NewDog posted the small blind - $1.00
SKIBUM867 posted the big blind - $2.00

** Dealing card to johnny291281: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Spades

dave0001 raised - $4.00
nicholas1976 folded
Pokerbuzzer called - $4.00
player1 folded
bellbird folded
EWeb folded
uglystick folded
johnny291281 raised - $12.00
NewDog folded
SKIBUM867 folded
dave0001 called - $12.00
Pokerbuzzer called - $12.00

** Dealing the flop: 5 of Clubs, 7 of Clubs, 2 of Diamonds

dave0001 bet - $2.00
Pokerbuzzer raised - $16.00
johnny291281 raised - $40.00
dave0001 folded
Pokerbuzzer called - $40.00

** Dealing the turn: 10 of Hearts

Pokerbuzzer checked
johnny291281 bet - $60.00
Pokerbuzzer called - $60.00

** Dealing the river: 7 of Diamonds

Pokerbuzzer went all-in - $131.80
johnny291281 went all-in - $103.45
12-27-2005, 01:47 PM
finky

Can't really fold the river there 3:1 and there are a few hands your ahead of. Might be inclined to check the turn though, he called a pot sized re-raise on the flop so its unlikely they are on a draw, Likely holdings are a high pocket pair or tripps, either way giving a free card is unlikely to hurt you and may induce bets or calls on the river from weaker hands.

If you think he is chasing he hasent got much of a clue about effective odds, or thinks his implied odds are good. In which case why not push the turn (a pot-sized bet not leaving you much behind)
12-27-2005, 01:53 PM
Fnord

Raise more pre-flop. You tabled your hand and gave odds to suck-out on you.
12-27-2005, 02:04 PM
aislephive

Smells like a set to me.
12-27-2005, 02:59 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by aislephive

Smells like a set to me.

Which is exactly why I raise it more pre-flop and don't worry too much about getting set.
12-27-2005, 03:30 PM
r8ed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by aislephive

Smells like a set to me.

Which is exactly why I raise it more pre-flop and don't worry too much about getting set.

PP has odds up to $20 preflop, so it's gotta be over that if you choose to keep them out of the hand. But then you'll just win $11 if they fold.

You say to raise it up to make sure you are only against another PP to put them on a tiny range? Is that the reason?
12-27-2005, 03:59 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by r8ed

But then you'll just win $11 if they fold.

Not a horrible result.
12-27-2005, 04:35 PM
johnny_fish

Raising a 2BB minraise to 10BB seems too much for me. It gives my hand away since I won't make that same reraise with AJ+/KQ/TT+..

About checking the turn; I didn't want to give a free card to the possible flush draw.

I think my main problem in this hand is that I'm up against set/overpair/flushdraw and I'm unable to decide which one it is.. That's a more general issue for me, my postflop skills just need a lot of work (tightness preflop balances it so far).

Results: QQ
12-27-2005, 04:40 PM
Fnord

At the 100NL games I play in, that raise from a typical opponent is QQ+/AK 90% of the time. Unless the typical 200NL player is far better about being nice to Shania I would assume the same. My observation so far is that the typical range is the same, just a few more players in that game who'll raise a wider range.
12-27-2005, 05:02 PM
Miffed22001

more preflop
i probably just push the flop
if not then probably the turn

Raiser + limper = extra big reraise. $11 here is not a bad result. As we always say, you win small pots or lose big ones.
I play aggressivly preflop and possibly go broke post flop. Im looking at that and thinking $18 at least preflop.

did i see opp showing QQ here? Anyone notice how different this QQ is played from the thread i posted discussing big pair detection?
12-27-2005, 05:11 PM
johnny_fish

Quote:

I play aggressivly preflop and possibly go broke post flop. Im looking at that and thinking $18 at least preflop.

What's your range with this move? Mine is AJ+/KQ/TT+ here.. Is 18 then still ok?
12-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

What's your range with this move? Mine is AJ+/KQ/TT+ here.. Is 18 then still ok?

I don't like re-raising unknown players with that wide of a range. Against most players, I'd rather re-raise with 64s than KQo. KQo will put me to more difficult decisions post-flop.

Also, I tend to get too much action from unknowns when I make this raise, hence I don't have to open up much here.
12-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Miffed22001

I make this $10 with anything but AA/KK possibly QQ so yes anything from AJ/AQ/KQ/AK
Play the flop appropriatly.
With AA/KK and most proably QQ this is isolation. I either take this down preflop or i make them pay big to see the flop.
Enough for them to know they need to hit cards to have any chance of winning the pot.
The mistake here is that opp calls with QQ. Thats awful preflop play imo. Against most hands that pump in this big reraise opp is either a flip but more than likely a big dog and ahs to find that out before they go broke. Oh well they went broke. Good for you.
I play this the similar but more preflop and go broke if someone gets invloved here with TT/JJ or any other PP and flops trips. Thats why going broke is possible, but unlikely. Any other big pp who is here, QQ/kk should go broke to me unless they find some miricle outs
12-27-2005, 06:09 PM
Telepath

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by r8ed

But then you'll just win $11 if they fold.

Not a horrible result.

I think it's a kinda horrible result to basically throw away the best hand in holdem poker.

I prefer getting sucked out on while my opponent is getting no odds to call my bets.

T.
12-27-2005, 06:14 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telepath

I think it's a kinda horrible result to basically throw away the best hand in holdem poker.

I think you're over-estimating the value of your holding. Also "wasted hand" thinking leads you down the path of not getting enough value because you're too afraid to induce a fold out of opponents who play too many hands and take them too far.

If you feel a need for balance, jack it up to $20 and c-bet with 64s sometimes.
12-27-2005, 06:39 PM
ilikeaces86

30 PF 2/3 pot flop then get it all in some time on a later street.
12-27-2005, 06:49 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

30 PF 2/3 pot flop then get it all in some time on a later street.

OMG! He speaks. What's magic about $30?