Big draw against 3 aggressors

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UltimateBet $25 NLHE (been playing at table for hours so I have decent reads, your typically loose low stakes ring game)

rinoshark is at seat 1 with $29.37
jimdogss is at seat 2 with $27.81
Hero is at seat 4 with $35.19
DanielleOT is at seat 5 with $29.12
dabookie is at seat 6 with $31.37
Brahma is at seat 7 with $26.50
alrdytaken is at seat 8 with $22.87
plazma is at seat 9 with $10.25
The button is at seat 2.

Hero posts the small blind of $0.10.
DanielleOT posts the big blind of $0.25

Hero: 6d 4d

Pre-flop:

dabookie calls. ..... loose
Brahma calls. .......... loose
alrdytaken folds.
plazma calls. ........ new short stack at the table
rinoshark raises to $0.50. ......... loose
jimdogss calls. ......... straightforward and readable player
Hero calls. ....... implied odds
DanielleOT calls. ......... passive, never seen bluffing
dabookie calls.
Brahma calls.
plazma calls.

Flop (board: Kd 4h 2d): (I have flush draw+lowpair+backdoor straight draw)

Hero checks. ....... i was planning to check raise big and call an all in if necessary
DanielleOT bets $1.25.
dabookie folds.
Brahma folds.
plazma goes all-in for $9.75.
rinoshark calls.
jimdogss folds.

Hero ????............. a pot sized bet by a Passive player in EP, then an overbet, then an overcall...what to do...??
DanielleOT left to act...

I think this is an easy fold simply because you have an all in player in front of you, taking away your fold equity. In order to play big draws properly you need a lot of fold equity. Also, rinoshark's smooth call scares the crap out of me. It could mean a set, or a higher flush draw if he loves to chase, either of which puts your hand in a very bad spot. Also, you have DanielleOT to act after you, which is very bad news. If he has a set and pushes you are stuck in a VERY ugly spot. Hell, even if anyone in the hand just has a king, you are a slight dog which IMO is your best case scenario. If this was an OESFD I might be willing to gamble here.

Bdawg said it well.

I just think if you were check-raising to gamble, go ahead and call. If you were check-raising to get folds and gamble if you absolutely had to, this is a clear fold.

Any other opinions before I reveal the outcome?

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

I think this is an easy fold simply because you have an all in player in front of you, taking away your fold equity. In order to play big draws properly you need a lot of fold equity.

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Wrong.

I still fold because this is a nothing pot and my outs are heavily tainted.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Wrong.

I still fold because this is a nothing pot and my outs are heavily tainted.

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Can you explain yourself here? Are you implying that you don't need lots of fold equity to play a big draw effectively (ie you just like to gamble)? Or are you saying you would glady CALL off 40BB with middle pair + low flush draw getting about 2:1 on your money if the pot was heads up?

I'd fold... too much action for a weak flush draw and runner-runner straight draw (I think it's pretty much a given one of them has a higher pair than your 4s). Given your read on Danielle, and the fact that it's a new stack you know nothing about, I think the safest move is to lay down.

Board: Kd 4h 2d

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 48.9899 % 48.99% 00.00% { Kc9s }
Hand 2: 51.0101 % 51.01% 00.00% { 6d4d }

Fold.

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Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Board: Kd 4h 2d

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 48.9899 % 48.99% 00.00% { Kc9s }
Hand 2: 51.0101 % 51.01% 00.00% { 6d4d }

Fold.

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I like the way you think, lol.

Fold. I wouldn't call this a "big" draw anyways...

I'd guess your flush outs are tainted for sure. I would say the only clean outs here are any 4 or your backdoor straight.

You're gonna see the entire board at this point anyways, use the information from this hand for future hands. Plain and simple.

Results:

Hero folds.
DanielleOT calls.

Turn (board: Kd 4h 2d 5d):

DanielleOT bets $2.50.
rinoshark goes all-in for
$19.12.
DanielleOT goes all-in for $18.87.
rinoshark is returned $0.25 (uncalled).

River (board: Kd 4h 2d 5d Qs):

(no action in this round)


Showdown:

rinoshark shows Ad Ac.
DanielleOT shows Ks Qd.
plazma shows Qc Kh.

Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
DanielleOT wins the main pot 16.37 of a 32.74 pot with two pair, kings and queens.
plazma wins the main pot 16.37 of a 32.74 pot with two pair, kings and queens.
DanielleOT wins the side pot 37.75 with two pair, kings and queens.

Just making sure I didn't play this hand like a pussy. Looks like I'll keep folding in these situations in the future.

I don't understand why you called preflop for "implied odds" and then when you have pot odds on the flop to call and realize your implied odds - you fold. Didn't you want to hit a flush? If so, then fold preflop because the only board you want to see is a 235 or 664 or something like that. I wish I responded before the results because I was going to point this out.