any advice on my play?

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11-26-2005, 03:55 PM
bunthorne

any advice on my play?

I haven't been playiog long - any advice on my play in this hand? I don't think I did much wrong apart from never dreaming that my opponent had called a preflop raise with Q6o.

Hold'em NL (US$1/US$2)
Table "Temple" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: penny23 (US$174.25 in chips)
Seat 2: diesel428 (US$316.16 in chips)
Seat 3: BuxBunny (US$200 in chips)
Seat 4: Padd69 (US$304.32 in chips)
Seat 5: bunthorne (US$196 in chips)
Seat 6: Socionom (US$119.61 in chips)
bunthorne: posts small blind US$1
Socionom: posts big blind US$2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to bunthorne [Kh Ac]
penny23: calls US$2
diesel428: calls US$2
BuxBunny: folds
Padd69: calls US$2
bunthorne: raises to US$8
Socionom: folds
penny23: folds
diesel428: folds
Padd69: calls US$6
----- FLOP ----- [Qc 6s Kc]
bunthorne: checks
Padd69: bets US$8
bunthorne: raises to US$24
Padd69: raises to US$296.32 and is all-in
bunthorne: is all-in US$164
Returned uncalled bets US$108.32 to Padd69
----- TURN ----- [Qc 6s Kc][Ts]
----- RIVER ----- [Qc 6s Kc Ts][3h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Padd69: shows [6d Qs] (Two Pairs, Queens and Sixes, King high)
bunthorne: shows [Kh Ac] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
Padd69 collected US$395 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot US$398 Main pot US$395 Rake US$3
Board [Qc 6s Kc Ts 3h]
Seat 1: penny23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: diesel428 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BuxBunny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Padd69 (button) showed [6d Qs] and won (US$395) with Two Pairs, Queens and Sixes, King high
Seat 5: bunthorne (small blind) lost
Seat 6: Socionom (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
11-26-2005, 04:14 PM
m3laNcholy

How about KQ/66? He limp/called your raise.
You are 99.9% beat here, auto fold.
11-26-2005, 04:15 PM
bearcats05

well Padd69=retard for calling with that pf.
but i dont think you should have called there it looked like padd69 hit a set
11-26-2005, 04:17 PM
bunthorne

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3laNcholy

How about KQ/66? He limp/called your raise.
You are 99.9% beat here, auto fold.

OK fair point - but he didn't have that - he had Q6!
11-26-2005, 04:19 PM
bunthorne

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcats05

well Padd69=retard for calling with that pf.
but i dont think you should have called there it looked like padd69 hit a set

i assumed that if he hit a set, against just one opponent, he might check it to hope I caught up! I like to check raise with TPTK especially with a couple of pictures as I figure my opponent to have one of them when he bets.

obviously I've got a lot more to learn.
11-26-2005, 04:25 PM
bearcats05

i think your problem is you are trying to play against yourself. you think hands out as if you were playing yourself. not everybody plays the way you do... not everybody checks a set. And he may have bet that because you raised pf and then some face cards hit so he might have figured you AK or something like that.
11-26-2005, 04:44 PM
bunthorne

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcats05

i think your problem is you are trying to play against yourself. you think hands out as if you were playing yourself. not everybody plays the way you do... not everybody checks a set. And he may have bet that because you raised pf and then some face cards hit so he might have figured you AK or something like that.

Yeah, I suspect you're right, bearcats05, i suppose I do put myself in my opponent's shoes. I have seen a lot of crazy moves which I would never have played in a million years I have to confess.

Althougb I will fold big hands if I think I am behind (such as if facing two reraises or if someone bets a flop which contains an overcard to my pair) whch is why I suggest I'm tight, going back over my hand histories I seem to be aggressive as well. I make large adjustments based on position and regularly raise with marginal hands on the button or one from it.

If I miss the flop or am first to act and I am the raiser, I will have a stab at the pot most of the time (but not all the time to try and mix up my play) if there is only one or two opponents.

This leads me to an observation about position. I fully understand the ideas behind late position play and follow the advice of greats like Brunson and Cloutier. But, if you are in early position and have just one opponent, you get the first chance to put the bluff in, do you not? Of course your later position opponent might come over the top of your bet with a hand or even a rebluff. But if he has missed the flop, as you may have, he'll surely fold to a decent bet?
11-27-2005, 12:20 AM
m3laNcholy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunthorne

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3laNcholy

How about KQ/66? He limp/called your raise.
You are 99.9% beat here, auto fold.

OK fair point - but he didn't have that - he had Q6!

Q6 is a bad hand preflop. On a KQ6 flop its a good hand. If he had Q7 or QT he wouldnt push, he did so because he had Q6, two pair, against your kinda obvious AK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunthorne

obviously I've got a lot more to learn.

Yes.
11-27-2005, 12:30 AM

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11-27-2005, 07:07 AM
johnny_fish

Would he risk 160 to win 50 with nothing? If yes, he's your new friend and you shouldn't leave his side until you've taken all his money :)
11-28-2005, 01:09 PM
BankItDrew

I find that when someone check raises my pot sized bet to a near doubling pot amount - I'm beat with my top pair. Check raise the flop indicates a much better hand than two kings.