Table jumping / changing

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09-22-2005, 03:06 PM
eFoldem

Table jumping / changing

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Do you recommend changing tables? if so how frequently?

I dont want to wait til im losing to realize its time to change tables!

But for example I joined a table that had 2 frequent players on it, so I figured they were at least decent if not good players because I had seen them multiple times out of what 50,000 people on empire!?!

So my gut said I should leave that table but I stuck it out and lost about $10 and decided to go ahead and leave.

Granted had I played tighter i may not of lost so much but either way, why play good players with so many fish (as I have read here!). So is that the case? Should I change tables or stick it out for a while?

And even so, if I have been playing at a table for an hour and im up to $50-150 should I leave and join another table with only $25 again to make sure I dont lose what I have earned? My main fear is I feel like if I play at same table for over an hour they can start reading me to well.

Certain things make me fold period! If I Bet $2 pre flop, and hit nothing, and I bet $2 into them at first the fold, but after an hour or two 1-2 people on the table some times re raise me almost every time and they know i will fold. and if I call im losing money!!

Bleh so long question made short.. "Should I change tables frequently!? and should I avoid tables with people I know play decently good?"
09-22-2005, 03:22 PM
melinda27

I only join tables with a few weak players at them and I usually stay until they are gone then go looking for new tables.
09-22-2005, 03:47 PM
thirteen

Re: Table jumping / changing

Quote:

Originally Posted by eFoldem

Certain things make me fold period! If I Bet $2 pre flop, and hit nothing, and I bet $2 into them at first the fold, but after an hour or two 1-2 people on the table some times re raise me almost every time and they know i will fold. and if I call im losing money!!

Don't make a continuation bet every time you miss... because then your losing money too.
09-26-2005, 08:48 AM
Miffed22001

I like to jump around tables quite a bit.
Few reasons
If im not getting anything worth playing
If im not getting called down the first time i raise and show some post flop strength
Nobody wants to play against my aggression

Generally my problems were because my comp lagged badly after 80-120 hands at a single table so after about 30 hands i knew whether this was a money making table or not. I actually dont stay at a table for more than about 90mins as i find (from checking my stats) that my play gets poor at this stage and i need to take a rest.
09-27-2005, 12:10 AM
Warpe

For entertainment value, you might want to try switching SEATS at a table once in a while too. I got seated on the wrong side of the chip leader at a table the other night - he had about $75 at 25NL - who was using his muscle to steal quite a bit. After making some decent bets pre-flop and then having to fold a several times because he'd just follow me with an over the top raise, I noticed the seat on the other side of him come open. So I just left the table and then came back and reseated myself there. Started making money after that, a lot of it from him.

This is probably considered a rude breach of poker etiquette but the guy was pissing me off.
09-27-2005, 01:26 PM
biondino

The sites I play at don't allow that, I don't think.
09-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Warpe

It was on PP...think u hafta be gone for 20secs or some such before u can rejoin...I wouldn't make it a habit, but the guy really was pissing me off
09-27-2005, 06:07 PM
storm75m

Re: Table jumping / changing

Quote:

Originally Posted by eFoldem

should I avoid tables with people I know play decently good?"

of course! You always want to play against players that are worse than you (if your goal is making money)

You want tables with a lot of callers. If everyone starts folding when you raise, then get out. If your play is predictable, then switch gears, or switch tables. I used to have the same problem with building a stack, getting to a certain point, then loosing some of it. Then I learned about changing gears, loosening up when the table is tight, tightening up when the table gets loose, etc. However, table-hopping is not a bad strategy either, but when you have more chips, you have more leverage, and should learn to use it to your advantage.
09-27-2005, 09:13 PM
slickslack

Switching tables once in a while can't hurt, unless you're making a killing at the table of course! Who'd turn thier back on that?! :)

But one thing to consider is cold runs of cards.. If you play a tight game, and the cards are just stone cold, you need to do either one of two things:

Change tables,

or start raising the odd crap hand from early to mid position to see the response you get.

Just yesterday I had a cold run of cards and before I had realised just how cold it had been (two or three orbits I think it was), along came the money hands.. Now, say what you will about 10NL players, but the ones at this table had happened to notice that the "rock" had raised.. And, surprise surprise, my nice shiney aces picked up the blinds. Twice. In Three hands. I was less than pleased.

Anyway, the lesson here I guess, is to pay attention to your cold runs and make sure they don't affect your profits.

Quote:

Bleh so long question made short.. "Should I change tables frequently!? and should I avoid tables with people I know play decently good?"

You'll likely always have some known decent players at just about any table you sit at, you just have to give a little respect where it is due, is all. On the upside, you have to advantage of already knowing a little bit about how these opponents play.. :)

s.
09-28-2005, 04:50 PM
Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by slackmf

If you play a tight game, and the cards are just stone cold, you need to do either one of two things:

Change tables,

or start raising the odd crap hand from early to mid position to see the response you get.

s.

Different tables don't deal different qualities of hands. The effect of changing tables is purely psychalogical. Change tables if your table image is suffering by a cold streak.

Why raise crap? This is not getting your money in while your ahead. Patience is the best approach. The cards will come.
09-28-2005, 05:37 PM
Crotalusatrox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by slackmf

If you play a tight game, and the cards are just stone cold, you need to do either one of two things:

Change tables,

or start raising the odd crap hand from early to mid position to see the response you get.

s.

Different tables don't deal different qualities of hands. The effect of changing tables is purely psychalogical. Change tables if your table image is suffering by a cold streak.

Why raise crap? This is not getting your money in while your ahead. Patience is the best approach. The cards will come.

So I should only change tables then if the cold streak is putting me on tilt, or if people start folding to me any time I do make a bet?
09-28-2005, 11:10 PM
slickslack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by slackmf

If you play a tight game, and the cards are just stone cold, you need to do either one of two things:

Change tables,

or start raising the odd crap hand from early to mid position to see the response you get.

s.

Different tables don't deal different qualities of hands. The effect of changing tables is purely psychalogical. Change tables if your table image is suffering by a cold streak.

Why raise crap? This is not getting your money in while your ahead. Patience is the best approach. The cards will come.

Ooops! I didn't mean to imply that you would be getting better hands by changing tables. What I meant was, when your image is shot to hell by a cold run of cards, you need to either move on or loosen up *slighty*.

I shouldn't have used the term "crap hand", as it's not quite what I meant there. What I meant was, "marginal hand that you would normally toss". Picking up the blinds with a mid range suited connector is, to me, much less tilt inducing than doing it with a pair of kings. You can pat yourself on the back for "doing the right thing" by raising those kings and picking up the blinds, but if you aren't paying *any* attention to your image, you might just as well be flushing money down the toilet.

All I'm saying is that when you *think* you've been sitting out too long and enough of the table may have noticed this fact, give it a stab. You are obviously not getting the guy with a strong hand to fold, and you may be losing a couple BB from time to time, but it's worth it in the long run so long as you realize why you are in this hand to begin with. Don't get crazy when you flop top pair with your 98s.

Anyway, the bottom line is, image is still important, even at these levels.
09-30-2005, 03:58 PM
Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crotalusatrox

So I should only change tables then if the cold streak is putting me on tilt, or if people start folding to me any time I do make a bet?

Well change anytime you want, like if there is a really good player at the table that you just don't want to play with etc.

With regards to cold streaks then by all means change tables if you think it will calm your frustration but just keep in mind that the effect is psycalogical.
09-30-2005, 04:02 PM
Irisheyes

if you get no action then look for a situation in LP with 1 or 2 callers and raise to like 8xbb with crap like 72o hoping for folds, if you get 'em then show and I bet you'll get some action next time. Continuation bet the flop and show if you get a caller.

I suppose this is raising crap like you said but hey...