What should I have done in this case? Suggestions?

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08-26-2005, 09:54 AM
Shadowskills

What should I have done in this case? Suggestions?

I got re-raised on the come. I didn't put him on a flush draw with a reraise. What should I have done in this case? Suggestions?

I'm AK74M.

$0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em

Seat 1: kenlorjus ($59.05)
Seat 2: Rex Nebular ($83.55)
Seat 3: DarkSly ($65.60)
Seat 4: AK74M ($111.40)
Seat 5: SunCha ($25.80)
Seat 6: Almost_Phil ($81.95)
kenlorjus: nh
AK74M posts the small blind of $0.50
SunCha posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AK74M [5c Tc]
Almost_Phil folds
kenlorjus folds
kenlorjus is sitting out
Rex Nebular calls $1
DarkSly folds
AK74M calls $0.50
SunCha checks
*** FLOP *** [2h Kc Td]
DarkSly: I folded j/10 d
kenlorjus: got to run, gl all
AK74M checks
Almost_Phil: later
SunCha checks
Rex Nebular checks
*** TURN *** [2h Kc Td] [3c]
kenlorjus stands up
DarkSly: :-(
AK74M bets $3
SunCha folds
Rex Nebular raises to $9
AK74M calls $6
*** RIVER *** [2h Kc Td 3c] [4c]
AK74M checks
Rex Nebular bets $73.55, and is all in
AK74M calls $73.55
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rex Nebular shows [Ac 7c] (a flush, Ace high)
AK74M mucks
Rex Nebular wins the pot ($165.10) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $168.10 | Rake $3
Board: [2h Kc Td 3c 4c]
Seat 1: kenlorjus didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Rex Nebular showed [Ac 7c] and won ($165.10) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: DarkSly (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: AK74M (small blind) mucked [5c Tc] - a flush, King high
Seat 5: SunCha (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Almost_Phil didn't bet (folded)
08-26-2005, 10:19 AM
a500lbgorilla

I fold the SB a lot.

Once you make the flush, you can't fold.

-'rilla
08-26-2005, 10:22 AM
OopsYouLost

hmmm...I ain't no pro but I think that's a "fold preflop" and save yourself from a world of pain. Also, if you didn't read him as a maniac I would have folded the river. Your turn bet was kinda weak so it made sense for him to semibluff you by reraising.
08-26-2005, 10:23 AM
Shadowskills

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I fold the SB a lot.

Once you make the flush, you can't fold.

-'rilla

It was inevitable then.
08-26-2005, 10:45 AM
Shadowskills

Quote:

Originally Posted by OopsYouLost

hmmm...I ain't no pro but I think that's a "fold preflop" and save yourself from a world of pain. Also, if you didn't read him as a maniac I would have folded the river. Your turn bet was kinda weak so it made sense for him to semibluff you by reraising.

I couldn't put any reads on him. It was his first hand. He just sat down. My bet was the size of the pot.
08-26-2005, 10:59 AM
PokerPatNEU

If he's slow playing a set, which it kinda looks like on the turn raise, you have 8/46 (8 because if the 2c comes and he has a set, he just made a boat or 4 of a kind) outs to make a flush and 6$ to call into a 15$ pot. Thats assuming that your flush outs are clean, here they arent but you had no way of knowing that.

So you could make an argument to just fold to his turn raise.
08-26-2005, 11:06 AM
Shadowskills

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU

If he's slow playing a set, which it kinda looks like on the turn raise, you have 8/46 (8 because if the 2c comes and he has a set, he just made a boat or 4 of a kind) outs to make a flush and 6$ to call into a 15$ pot. Thats assuming that your flush outs are clean, here they arent but you had no way of knowing that.

So you could make an argument to just fold to his turn raise.

Basically, what you're saying is I'm not getting the right price to call the turn-raise to catch the flush.

It's hard sometimes to calculate on the fly the right price.
08-26-2005, 11:12 AM
journey075

i fold preflop. if not, i fold to his turn c/r. if not, i lose my stack on the river.
08-26-2005, 11:12 AM
OopsYouLost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowskills

My bet was the size of the pot.

True but if you're betting the pot when a 3c comes on the turn, your opponent has to be thinking it ain't the 3 that helped you there but perhaps the flush draw or straight draw (flush draw is more likely since you would have had to limp wth A4, A5, 45 or 46 to be put on a straight draw). So your pot sized bet really looked to me like a drawing bet and if he figured that out it was a really good move from your opponent to go all-in on the river since he had the nut flush and he perhaps knew you had it too.

Well, maybe I'm pushing this a little too far but it makes sense to me :wink:

Anyway FOLD PREFLOP
08-26-2005, 11:42 AM
Shadowskills

So my bet should've been maybe 1.5x, 2x, or 3x the pot for him to fold the flush draw unless he was a maniac and would just call anyways because it would've been very difficult to fold my flush.

Your opinions are always welcomed :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by OopsYouLost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowskills

My bet was the size of the pot.

True but if you're betting the pot when a 3c comes on the turn, your opponent has to be thinking it ain't the 3 that helped you there but perhaps the flush draw or straight draw (flush draw is more likely since you would have had to limp wth A4, A5, 45 or 46 to be put on a straight draw). So your pot sized bet really looked to me like a drawing bet and if he figured that out it was a really good move from your opponent to go all-in on the river since he had the nut flush and he perhaps knew you had it too.

Well, maybe I'm pushing this a little too far but it makes sense to me :wink:

Anyway FOLD PREFLOP