$30 SNG hand

Midway throuh the third level. I pegged BK11060 as loose and likely stealing as he had been raising often when opening. I thought KnothN seemed to have a clue and was relatively tight. I figured he would reraise with a monster and probably had anything from Ax(x = 10 or lower) , two faces, or a low/mid pair. With these reads in mind, and the fact that I would probably be a favorite if called, I went AI. This was a pretty aggressive move and normally I would just call here, but I was pretty confident of the reads and thought I was probably 75 % to get them to fold. Didn't see much point in min raising to 300. Raising to 450 or 600 would cripple me if I get called and have to fold the flop. Folding is pretty weak I think. That leaves calling or AI.

Comments?
Anybody else call if you're KnothN, getting terrible pot odds(about 1 to 1.75)?

***** Hand History for Game 2399576296 *****
50/100 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14124928) - Thu Jul 21 13:06:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 11068 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: C381891920C (1515)
Seat 2: JOLLEYMON (1100)
Seat 3: BK11060 (1151)
Seat 5: jacksBnimble (728)
Seat 6: KnothN (2115)
Seat 8: Hero (940)
Seat 10: Estio (451)
KnothN posts small blind (25)
Hero posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah, Jh ]
Estio folds.
C381891920C folds.
JOLLEYMON folds.
BK11060 raises (150) to 150
jacksBnimble folds.
KnothN calls (125)
Hero raises (890) to 940
Hero is all-In.
BK11060 folds.
KnothN calls (790)
Creating Main Pot with $2030 with Hero
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 6c, Qs ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Kh ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2030 |
Board: [ 8c 6c Qs 4c Kh ]
C381891920C balance 1515, didn't bet (folded)
JOLLEYMON balance 1100, didn't bet (folded)
BK11060 balance 1001, lost 150 (folded)
jacksBnimble balance 728, didn't bet (folded)
KnothN balance 3205, bet 940, collected 2030, net +1090 [ Qd Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and queens -- Kd,Kh,Qd,Qs,8c ]
Hero balance 0, lost 940 [ Ah Jh ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Kh,Qs,Jh,8c ]
Estio balance 451, didn't bet (folded)

Honestly, I autofold after the first raise in a party SNG... buttt thats just me :). You still have plenty of chips to work with and its still fairly early in the SNG

Given your stack size, this play looks reasonable.

KnotH's call was pretty horrid, since he's only a coinflop if you're on a low/mid pair, and is losing to any other hand you'd make a play with. Further, his stack doesn't need the action.

I'd fold preflop. AJs isn't that great of a hand, especially after a raise and a caller.

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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB

KnotH's call was pretty horrid, since he's only a coinflop if you're on a low/mid pair, and is losing to any other hand you'd make a play with. Further, his stack doesn't need the action.

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That was my take as well. Thought if he had a clue he would lay it down. He delayed for awhile before calling.

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Originally Posted by Pghlem

Honestly, I autofold after the first raise in a party SNG... buttt thats just me . You still have plenty of chips to work with and its still fairly early in the SNG.

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I agree, normally it's a call or maybe a fold depending on the read of the raiser, but I strongly suspected a steal and thought the AI would scoop $450, which it should have.

I personally would never do this here. Why put all your chips on the line here? If he calls you are now in a coinflip situation for your stack. Idiot players don't respect a re-raise like this.....if they have commited 150 chips they think nothing of commiting all of them with their two pretty face cards :x

Make notes on these players and make a move later on when the blinds are higher.

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Originally Posted by ZenOffsuit

I personally would never do this here. Why put all your chips on the line here? If he calls you are now in a coinflip situation for your stack. Idiot players don't respect a re-raise like this.....if they have commited 150 chips they think nothing of commiting all of them with their two pretty face cards :x

Make notes on these players and make a move later on when the blinds are higher.

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It wasn't a coinflip, however. AJ vs KQ gives AJ better than 60% to win. Further, he had a lot of folding equity, making this push a decent play regardless of the coinflip possibility.

If you only put your chips in the pot when you're a huge favorite, you're going to put more in for blinds than for bets.

Fold. Phlegms post is exactly how I feel. I didn't like that push, even if you have a read. It's an unnessesary risk for a few chips. It wasn't even a call situation, It was definately a fold situation :)

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Originally Posted by ZenOffsuit

I personally would never do this here. Why put all your chips on the line here? If he calls you are now in a coinflip situation for your stack. Idiot players don't respect a re-raise like this.....if they have commited 150 chips they think nothing of commiting all of them with their two pretty face cards :x

Make notes on these players and make a move later on when the blinds are higher.

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It wasn't a coinflip, however. AJ vs KQ gives AJ better than 60% to win. Further, he had a lot of folding equity, making this push a decent play regardless of the coinflip possibility.

If you only put your chips in the pot when you're a huge favorite, you're going to put more in for blinds than for bets.

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After reading your post and the hand...I am not 100% opposed to this play especially with the perfect read of the situation but, I would be more likely to make this push if I had a med. PP like JJs, TTs or AK. I think these are hands that would make for a good squeeze play. Here, you have a raise and a call..... I rather call and see a flop w/ this hand at this level.

If it is at a lower level, players will see this push as a sort of steal to get the chips that are in the pot and will put you on a low pair where they have a flip with you.

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Originally Posted by iwa

If it is at a lower level, players will see this push as a sort of steal to get the chips that are in the pot and will put you on a low pair where they have a flip with you.

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Yep, seen that plenty. I dfinitely didn't need to get active, but I felt there were enough factors to make it a good play:
1. Overaggressive CO raises 3x(looks like a steal)
2. Fairly tight player with a clue(I thought) calls but doesn't raise w/bad position. Probably not great cards - wants to see a flop.
3. I had a VERY tight image. I think I'd only seen maybe 2 flops to that point.
4. Good chance of getting fold, still likely ahead if I don't.
5. $30SNG(not what I would consider a low level), in general, should be somewhat less fishy then $10 or $20s(I play between $10 - $50s) making the call he made somewhat less likely.

The more I think about it, I'm Ok with this though I can see the argument against it as well. Thanks all for the feedback. Like I said, not a standard play for me but other factors went into the decision.

i also fold people are complete morons. i got my kk's called by pocket 10's after i've clearly been playing a tight game. pp people are morons. the other day this girl was clearly bluffing at the pot so i go all in, she calls w/ ace high and hits an ace on the river. going over the top 0f a big stack on pp you are usually getting called, so i dont do it unless i have a made hand (usually pocket JJ or up). so many times i've folded best hand preflop but i finish in the money alot too.

It's an instapush by me. Especially if you've got a weak/tight table image.

-'rilla

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It's an instapush by me. Especially if you've got a weak/tight table image.

-'rilla

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Aye, table image seals the deal here for me.

He's going to need to make a move at some point before too long, as a couple of orbits will nearly cut it in half (making such a play less effective and less helpful). Here the chips he can earn are substantial, he's likely to have the best hand, and likely to get folds for such a large reraise. The presumably dead money in the pot makes this play stronger. As does the likelihood of a fold.

i'd push here too, but i'm not doing it expecting or hoping for a fold, i'm doing it expecting/hoping for a call where i'm dominating. his stack is big enough to call you with kq as he's most likely up against a low pocket or at the very least probably not dominated.

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Originally Posted by Greedo017

i'd push here too, but i'm not doing it expecting or hoping for a fold, i'm doing it expecting/hoping for a call where i'm dominating. his stack is big enough to call you with kq as he's most likely up against a low pocket or at the very least probably not dominated.

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AJ is a solid favorite but not really dominating KQ. I really just wanted the folds here but was pushing expecting to be favored if called.

I would have played it the same; the push was good, you lost a coinflip.

If you'd won, you'd have doubled up and your chances at finishing ITM would be great.

I am going to side with rilla here. I would make the same play. You only have less than 10BB and you have some dead money in the pot. Obviously finding a 60/40 is better than waiting for a pocket pair or overs and flip for it. I think here you still have some folding equity, some that you wont have if you wait another rotation. G00t play.

i fold. blinds are still small, you aren't close to being desperate. when blinds go up you can steal some and be fine.

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

I am going to side with rilla here. I would make the same play. You only have less than 10BB and you have some dead money in the pot. Obviously finding a 60/40 is better than waiting for a pocket pair or overs and flip for it. I think here you still have some folding equity, some that you wont have if you wait another rotation. G00t play.

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he has almost 19bb!

The way I look at this hand is he raised preflop....which mean he has two cards. I say 60 % of the time your ahead and 40 % of the time your not. At a 30 this push would get enough folds to make this play work but I dont want a call from 22-TT here and you could be dominated. I usually dont start making these plays till the blinds are 50-100 and up, but overall its not a bad push with the caller because you pick up a nice pot if they fold. It is a push or fold hand though.....no other plays.

I would say the push has more EV than the fold, either one is OK. The only thing I don't like is

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that I would probably be a favorite if called

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You shouldn't assume opp will make a bad play. If you re raise with AJ and get called, 9/10 you'll be behind.

I love the play. Your read was good, and he just outdrew you on the flop.