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    Default TT open, turn play on 3578?

    sb is 17-11-1 with low fold to cbet (flop 46%/turn 25%) and very low raise frequency postflop. If he bets/raises he has it. He has 6x/pair+gutter/99-QQ here a lot. He doesn't have a set on the flop.
    bb is 15-10-4 seems decent over small sample. Meh, i don't think he calls a set on the flop either, but he'll be calling anything he thinks might turn some value.

    Turn $11?

    $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
    9 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($39.95) 80bb
    UTG+1 ($50) 100bb
    daven (MP1) ($71.25) 143bb
    MP2 ($60) 120bb
    MP3 ($57.85) 116bb
    CO ($34.90) 70bb
    BTN ($43) 86bb
    SB ($51.95) 104bb
    BB ($50) 100bb

    Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 9 players) daven is MP1
    2 folds, daven raises to $1.75, 4 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

    Flop: ($5.25, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, daven bets $3.65, SB calls $3.65, BB calls $3.65

    Turn: ($16.20, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, daven ($65.85)?
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    With two opponents (both in the SB and BB). A lot of small cards hit the SB and BB range here. I feel like a pair of tens isn't good here.

    I don't really like checking, cuz then a ton of cards can come on the river (literally any card is a scare card. Overcards and straight-connecting cards).

    It might not be a bad idea to bet 1/2 pot, and then decide to not put another penny in the pot.

    If someone raises your turn bet, you don't have the best hand. Even if you get called on the turn, you still might have the best hand, but it's not worth betting on the river
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    I'd go smaller than 11, something along the lines of 9-10. We want to try and convince villain to call with as many overcard combos as possible and I think we still price out a lot of villains possible draws.
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    One of best turn cards for us, if it was just HU w/ SB I would go a little bigger than $11, but w/ BB in the hand I agree w/ Savy, I think we can bet a little smaller and still accomplish the same things.

    This flop smashes their blind calling ranges pre and I would expect BB to have a good piece of this flop a lot of the time given his c/overcall on flop, not sure how often he does this w/ just 2 overs or whatever.

    Bet around $9-10, and check back almost any river other than a ten.
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    Feels like a good spot for a half pot bet to me. Fold to any heat.
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    Something feels off about betting the turn into these two regs with a hand this low in your range for value.

    Your equity in the pot vs reasonable ranges for SB and BB:

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    Board: 8s7d5c3c
    Equity Win Tie
    MP1 28.26% 26.94% 1.32% { ThTc }
    SB 40.73% 39.20% 1.53% { QQ-88, 66, J9s, T9s, 98s, 87s }
    BB 31.01% 29.66% 1.35% { JJ-88, 66, A6s, J9s, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s }


    For big hands I gave them each only top set and top two pair for 5 combos out of 11.


    I think there's a decent argument to bet like 1/4 pot here, but I'd probably check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam1FTR View Post
    If someone raises your turn bet, you don't have the best hand.
    agree completely

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post

    This flop smashes their blind calling ranges pre and I would expect BB to have a good piece of this flop a lot of the time given his c/overcall on flop, not sure how often he does this w/ just 2 overs or whatever.

    Bet around $9-10, and check back almost any river other than a ten.
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Feels like a good spot for a half pot bet to me. Fold to any heat.
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Something feels off about betting the turn into these two regs with a hand this low in your range for value.

    Your equity in the pot vs reasonable ranges for SB and BB:

    MP1 28.26% 26.94% 1.32% { ThTc }
    SB 40.73% 39.20% 1.53% { QQ-88, 66, J9s, T9s, 98s, 87s }
    BB 31.01% 29.66% 1.35% { JJ-88, 66, A6s, J9s, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s }
    I think there's a decent argument to bet like 1/4 pot here, but I'd probably check.
    ^ I wanted to add a few more of the 6x combos here, 46s/56s/68s but i'm not sure if that fits? If I did that I'd have to add 75s/85s too I guess which would net to a similar situation.

    i'm glad that this isn't consensus simple bet $x or check.
    so, i checked. Would have been betting 100% of the time HU. But I checked hating that i was giving a free river to the 6x/pair+gutter hands.

    and then came the river and i wanted to bet about $6 for value but i hated the idea of being raised. Thoughts?

    Turn: ($16.20, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, daven checks

    River: ($16.20, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, daven ($65.85)?
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    I think that it would be better if you bet to about 1/2 pot on the turn, because you still had the highest pair. With checking the turn you give them an opportunity to make better hand than yours.
    However, about your move that you've made on the turn, I think that you have no other option than to go check on the river.
    Last edited by STILL_mkd; 05-15-2014 at 08:47 PM.

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