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    Opp is 29/12 over a sample of 50 so not much of a read.
    Only hand of note on him is that he raised large after 3 limpers with QJo in the sb bet/3bet a rainbow Qxx flop versus a raise and won at showdown.

    I'll more than likely have an aggressive image, ive either made money by Gambooling with shortys preflop or ive aggro'ed some regulart off a hand.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($103.30)
    UTG+1 ($98.50)
    MP1 ($45.50)
    MP2 ($23.25)
    CO ($318)
    Hero ($141.35)
    SB ($149.80)
    BB ($146.40)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 3, A.
    5 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

    Flop: ($8.50) J, 5, J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.

    Turn: ($20.50) 2 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $25, Hero raises to $131.35, BB calls $106.35.

    River: ($283.20) 4 (2 players)

    Final Pot: $283.20
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    Beginner comment:
    When he makes his turn raise to extract value, he has (imo):
    55 or 22 for the boat, JJ for the quads or any J that he would call PF raise with in BB. I call it J with Q-A kicker, suit or off. If we consider AJ may have been 3bet PF, this may be countered by the potential for playing JTs and J9s - not sure. Anyway - PokerStove sez:

    Board: Jh 5h Jc 2h
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 59.639% 59.64% 00.00% 761 0.00 { Ah3h }
    Hand 1: 40.361% 40.36% 00.00% 515 0.00 { JJ, 55, 22, AJs, KJs, QJs, AJo, KJo, QJo }

    Tight alternative (he's not that tight I think): AJs raised PF, no QJs in range, KJo also folded:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 37.587% 37.59% 00.00% 215 0.00 { Ah3h }
    Hand 1: 62.413% 62.41% 00.00% 357 0.00 { JJ, 55, 22, KJs, AJo }

    Even this is pretty close to being good EV. And if he 3bets AJs PF he'd probably 3bet JJ also.

    It all looks good to me.

    Second edit: This is not even going into hands like KhQh which you absolutely crush.
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    his min checkraise really sent the alarm bells off, so i 'd just call and reevaluate on the river. Normally, this line means ppl either bluff with worse flush or have locked hand already. Better safe than sorry on my part given your effective stack sizes.
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    He looks pretty laggy. LAGGs reveal themselves quicker than nits do, so 50 hands isn't a terrible read of LAGG IMO.

    Couple that with the fact that he may perceive you as laggy and I think I like this line. He could be raising the turn with KhQh, Jx, ...who knows...even low heart SCs? All of which he's probably calling your push with if he's a true lagg...
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    I´d 3b turn to $55 or something. Dont give him a chance to fold, what bluff shoves could you represent other than AhAx/KhKx?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000
    I´d 3b turn to $55 or something. Dont give him a chance to fold, what bluff shoves could you represent other than AhAx/KhKx?
    $55 would look scary to opp, does shoving ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000
    I´d 3b turn to $55 or something. Dont give him a chance to fold, what bluff shoves could you represent other than AhAx/KhKx?
    $55 would look scary to opp, does shoving ?
    If villain views you as laggy, then a shove could look more like a bluff than it would value, and encourage him to call with Jx...

    Assuming that this guy is thinking deeper than level0 might be a mistake here also...
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer
    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000
    I´d 3b turn to $55 or something. Dont give him a chance to fold, what bluff shoves could you represent other than AhAx/KhKx?
    $55 would look scary to opp, does shoving ?
    If villain views you as laggy, then a shove could look more like a bluff than it would value, and encourage him to call with Jx...

    Assuming that this guy is thinking deeper than level0 might be a mistake here also...
    agreed on the level0 stuff.

    But then he certainly wouldnt look to fold any jack even to this action would he if hes level0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    But then he certainly wouldnt look to fold any jack even to this action would he if hes level0
    ...which is why I think a turn push could be justified. I don't think he's calling a turn re-raise of any size with less than trips here. What is a push going to scare him off that a min-raise wouldn't? KhQd? QQ-KK with a heart? Even those are doubtful.

    I think he's calling with any 3 of a kind hand or better, and there's more of those that you're ahead of than are behind here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer
    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    But then he certainly wouldnt look to fold any jack even to this action would he if hes level0
    ...which is why I think a turn push could be justified. I don't think he's calling a turn re-raise of any size with less than trips here. What is a push going to scare him off that a min-raise wouldn't? KhQd? QQ-KK with a heart? Even those are doubtful.

    I think he's calling with any 3 of a kind hand or better, and there's more of those that you're ahead of than are behind here.
    yep he showed me QJo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    yep he showed me QJo


    I remember being that n00b who slowplayed trips, then panicked when the 3-flush came on the turn, decided to crank up the aggression THEN (just in case villain only has 1 card of the flush and is semi-bluffing), and couldn't lay it down when villain got super aggressive back.

    That move cost me more than a few times before I learned...

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