Quote Originally Posted by juschuma
There are three questions that I'm trying to understand:

1) Are you saying I shouldn't have even called the $2 turn bet with a double gut draw?

2) Once I did make that call and hit my straight, was it OK to make the $20 raise on the river?

3) Once I did make the $20 raise and was re-raised, was it OK to make the final call when I was getting about 3.5 to 1 on my money?
1) $2 on the turn was NOT a steep price to pay with a $12 pot in front of you and a double gut draw. Not to mention such a weak bet makes you think you possibly have two overs (6 more outs). So yes you should have called $2 with a weary thought in your mind that if you make your hand it still might be beat.

2) Absolutely not ok to make a $20 raise here. Make it a min re-raise ($12-$13) or just call with action behind you on a dangerous board for your hand. You don't want to committ yourself. Some hands pay you off large, and some aren't meant to. This was the latter. Remember the implied odds are reduced on paired boards. You have to stay modest to beware of that set to house, especially with so many in. It takes a lot of discipline, but with so many people in hand and two feeling strong before you, it's a cinch to just call here and pray your hand holds up.

3) You shouldn't have made such a hefty raise in the first place, but once you did, of course you have to cry and call with such odds on your money having a made hand.