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  1. #1

    Default Flopped nutsx3

    So how do you all get value

    Villain 1 is a tighter taggfishy guy who is raising for value here (not necessarily continuing) 95% of the time

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    SB ($1056.50)
    BB ($1538)
    UTG ($2572)
    UTG+1 ($1070)
    MP1 ($1001)
    MP2 ($1045)
    CO ($1486.50)
    Hero (Button) ($1000)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 6
    4 folds, CO bets $20, Hero calls $20, 1 fold, BB calls $10

    Flop: ($65) J, 3, Q (3 players)
    BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $40, BB raises to $100, 1 fold, Hero

    Villain is sobraoboy, a terrible tightish reg who raises in weird spots like this with any FD, the nuts, TTish hands.

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    saw flop

    Button ($2253.25)
    SB ($1267.50)
    BB ($1025)
    UTG ($1732.50)
    UTG+1 ($1078.50)
    MP1 ($1401)
    MP2 ($2647.50)
    Hero (MP3) ($1000)
    CO ($1079)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7, 9
    3 folds, MP2 calls $10, Hero bets $40, 1 fold, Button calls $40, 2 folds, MP2 calls $30

    Flop: ($135) 7, 9, 7 (3 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero bets $80, Button raises to $180, 1 fold, Hero

    Villain is an OK reg who berates me a lot for being a nit. He 3bets pre IP wide vs me.

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    saw flop

    BB ($1238)
    UTG ($1077)
    UTG+1 ($1728)
    MP1 ($2662)
    MP2 ($1000)
    Hero (MP3) ($2007)
    CO ($2472.50)
    Button ($565.15)
    SB ($1887.80)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9, 9
    4 folds, Hero bets $30, CO raises to $110, 3 folds, Hero calls $80

    Flop: ($235) 10, 7, 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    Turn: ($235) 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: ($235) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $155, Hero raises to $620,
  2. #2
    i'm prety drunk fwiw but

    1) 3 bet

    2) flat

    3) just bet turn and river imo
    3)
  3. #3
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    hand 1 i like a call cos you then look a whole lot like a flush draw/tptk type of hand and it means you've got a good chance for stacks assuming non-club turns (about 80% of the time). guess you could min-3b, but i don't like it.

    hand 2 3-bet cos so many turns mess with your action. Sizing is interesting and I like $320.

    hand 3 you guys are hella deep and i think you should donk turn cos having it check through again is a disaster. It looks like a stab after the flop check through, which is obviously a bonus.
    Last edited by daven; 05-09-2010 at 05:22 AM.
  4. #4
    1) you either slowplay all the way to the river or 3bet the flop. Don't to call flop, raise turn bullshit. I lean towards 3betting the flop.

    2) Easiest flat ever

    3) Well i'm thinking about whether you should lead flop or not and i can't decide. After that i think checking the turn like you did is far superior to leading. I'd want to lead this river though...
  5. #5
    1 - 3bet flop. If he's got a K-high flush or a set it's probably going in. Don't think he's gonna put in anymore $ with TT.

    2 - I don't get the c/r from villain on this board but w/e. He limped pre, so unless he's getting cute with a big pair, he's got 66 and wants you to lay down your missed overs. Call and hope he donks the turn. I'd ROTFL if he flipped nines.

    3 - Lead the turn for ~1/2 pot imo. If he checked back the river I'd shoot myself. Did he call river?
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    seems good regs disagree with my thoughts, particularly on the first two hands. so, in the interest of getting better at poker:

    hand 1 - question re the 3-bet. Is this because villain's range is sets/flushes/combo draws that are unlikely to fold, and this is what our range also looks like -> 3bet is gonna get most of villain's range to commit on the flop and cos there are so many turns that make both players uncomfortable?

    hand 2 - flat cos of zebo?
  7. #7
    daven hand one what do we do/ what does villain think we do with AcAx/AcQx here? If villain thinks for anyreason that we'd 3bet these hands then 3bet away

    2 flat cos his range is wide and if we 3 bet our value range is miniscule and our bvluff range is non existant
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    seems good regs disagree with my thoughts, particularly on the first two hands. so, in the interest of getting better at poker:

    hand 1 - question re the 3-bet. Is this because villain's range is sets/flushes/combo draws that are unlikely to fold, and this is what our range also looks like -> 3bet is gonna get most of villain's range to commit on the flop and cos there are so many turns that make both players uncomfortable?

    yes, I also think there's like no chance he's bluffing and 3betting just seems like the best way to get the most money.

    hand 2 - flat cos of zebo?
    Flat because there's a decent chance he's bluffing or semi bluffing, you can't really get drawn out on and you want to let him continue to bluff. If the turns a blank you get it in against trips anyway and if its a heart you may lose value against trips but you gain ridiculous value against a fd or bluff.
    ^^^
  9. #9
    hand 1 I 3bet to like $220 and he shoved with a flush drawing dead
    hand 2 I 3bet and he folded quickly. I still think it might be the best play against him
    hand 3 he snapped with AA

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