Another Loss with KK

Hand 702918781, Started at 3/4/2005 7:24 PM
Table 'Dubai': $0.25-$0.50 No Limit Texas Hold'em (Real Money)
Seat 1: Stewball_25 ($19.95 in chips)
Seat 2: VidaliaCID ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 3: eddaen ($50.40 in chips)
Seat 4: FREEONEUP ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 5: ndogg295 ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Spix76 ($39.45 in chips)
Seat 7: wriggo888 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 8: pfish8 ($30.15 in chips)
Seat 9: J__D ($25.00 in chips)
Seat 10: KMANS4 ($13.65 in chips) (on the button)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to VidaliaCID: Kh
Dealt to VidaliaCID: Ks
Stewball_25 : Post Blind ($0.10)
VidaliaCID : Post Blind ($0.25)
J__D : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
eddaen : Fold
FREEONEUP : Call ($0.25)
ndogg295 : Fold
Spix76 : Call ($0.25)
wriggo888 : Fold
pfish8 : Call ($0.25)
J__D : Check
KMANS4 : Raise ($2.00)
Stewball_25 : Call ($1.90)
VidaliaCID : Raise ($5.00)
FREEONEUP : Fold
Spix76 : Fold
pfish8 : Fold
J__D : Fold
KMANS4 : Call ($3.25)
Stewball_25 : Call ($3.25)
*** Flop *** : 3d 8s 6s
Stewball_25 : Check
VidaliaCID : Bet ($5.00) *mistake I think I should have bet more!*
KMANS4 : Call ($5.00)
Stewball_25 : Fold
*** Turn *** : [ 3d 8s 6s ] As
VidaliaCID : Bet ($5.00)
KMANS4 : Call ($3.75)
KMANS4 : All In
*** River *** : [ 3d 8s 6s As ] Ah
*** Showdown *** : [ 3d 8s 6s As Ah ]
VidaliaCID : Show Cards [ Kh Ks ]
KMANS4 : Show Cards [ Kd Ad ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $33.80 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ 3d 8s 6s As Ah ]
Stewball_25 lost $5.25
VidaliaCID bet $15.25, collected $1.25, net $-14.00 Shows [ Kh Ks ] (two pairs, Aces and Kings.)
eddaen lost $0.00
FREEONEUP lost $0.25
ndogg295 lost $0.00
Spix76 lost $0.25
wriggo888 lost $0.00
pfish8 lost $0.25
J__D lost $0.25
KMANS4 bet $14.00, collected $32.55, net $18.55 Shows [ Kd Ad ] (three Aces.)[/b]

Set him all in on the flop, you gave him (some) odds to draw to his ace here, with these kinds of fish you just have to employ zero tolerance and make them make decisions for all their chips with ace high rather than less than pot sized bets. He was wrong to call, but you still should have put him all in.

Your preflop play was fine though.

Holy crap that's terrible (as in unlucky), you were right, in retrospect to bet more on the flop, hell I woulda pushed preflop after that $2 raise.

If you don't push preflop, push on the flop, because in all likelihood you have the best hand then.

The goal of poker is getting your money in with the greatest probability to win.

Here's a hug: <------------------------->

i honestly think preflop he would have gone all in wtih AK and i would have lost anyway.....

i should have pressed after the flop when he sees he didn't hit jack s#!t.

Originally Posted by VidaliaCID230

i honestly think preflop he would have gone all in wtih AK and i would have lost anyway.....

i should have pressed after the flop when he sees he didn't hit jack s#!t.

I think so too, you were still a favorite though. Long term long term....

The bet on the flop was probably the time to drop the hammer on this guying drawing with two overcards. By my rough estimation, he had to call $5 to win a $24-25 pot (or thereabouts) with 2 overcards to the board (about a 24% to hit on the turn or river) and one to your pocket pair. He probably didn't put you on an overpair, so he probably thought he was getting good value for his bet (which he sorta' was).

Again, force him to pay to see that next card. Drop the axe on anyone drawing to something that can beat your made hand, there. Otherwise, it was a pretty suck-ass beat.

$6 at least pre-flop. Push on the flop. Don't fuck around with a big pair. Hands that need help want to see turns and rivers, you don't (unless all their money got in when you had the best of it.) Make 'em over-pay for a flop they're probably not going to like then give them a choice between folding and another horrible call.

Push the flop. With every card that falls, your hand gets worse and worse.

Push: The sooner, the better.

-'rilla