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    Default AK tptk vs solid player

    flop cbet? sizing?
    villain seems strong but maybe he's just aggro
    at full tables i have him at 21-16-9, shorthanded he opens up only a little.
    he folds vs cbets 60%, raises 30%.
    he's seen me have it pretty much every time this session

    $0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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    UTG ($240.55) 241bb
    daven (UTG+1) ($304.50) 305bb
    CO ($83.05) 83bb
    BTN ($97.30) 97bb
    SB ($100.60) 101bb
    BB ($112.05) 112bb

    Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) daven is UTG+1
    1 fold, daven raises to $3, 3 folds, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($6.50, 2 players)
    BB checks,
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    I must be missing something, is this not a really easy c-bet for value? Villain has plenty in his range that is calling one bet and he may or may not have 22 in his range so we basically beat all his range except 77.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    I must be missing something, is this not a really easy c-bet for value? Villain has plenty in his range that is calling one bet and he may or may not have 22 in his range so we basically beat all his range except 77.
    this is what i think, but it's worth checking some assumptions from time to time
    sizing? play vs a raise?
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    As it's a fairly dry board I think about $4.25 would be good. Think that's a pretty good sizing to bet with a lot of your range in this spot too.

    I think if villain raises we are ok GII. Whether or not flatting is better depends on how you think he will play future streets imo. There isn't a huge amount that villain reps that could get us to fold out good hands on a lot of turn cards and after we flat our range is going to be pretty strong and the only cards which are going to help villain are very odd straight draws he picks up and cards that help his BDFD which I'm unsure is enough for villain to be wanting to shovel money into the pot.

    I'm unsure what our calling range against a raise should look like though in all honesty so I don't know the potential value of checking through the turn and watching villain shove rivers or calling more river bets than he would turn bets. I'm also assuming if villain does raise that leaves us shoving or with one more bet to make/call which may be a bad assumption.

    Regardless though I think I'm happy betting and GII against a decent villain but as always whether it's the best (or even a good line) hopefully someone will say :P
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    If you want to mix it up and check here, then go for it. You're not gonna get three streets of value from his range all that often on this dry board. I think vs someone folding 60% to cbets you should probably just bet an air heavy range and check most of your medium-good hands, until he adjusts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Regardless though I think I'm happy betting and GII against a decent villain but as always whether it's the best (or even a good line) hopefully someone will say :P

    You have tptk on a dry board with lots of stack left, no one is getting it in with worse here who isn't a huge fish. Best you can hope for is for him to have KQ and call you down for three streets, but very often that will be the bottom of a 3-streets calling range.
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    You surely have to bet the flop with a c-bet and at least find out what he is going to do in response.
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    Bet, probably $2.65-$3.50 or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Bet, probably $2.65-$3.50 or something.
    sizing for entire cbet range? isnt a solid reg going to see that?
    do we mix air w/ tptk+ on that sizing and TT-QQ/ KT-KQ on 4$-5$?
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Bet, probably $2.65-$3.50 or something.
    do you cbet this about 100% and small to make this more reasonable with 99?
    seems small but betsizing is complex.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom1559 View Post
    You surely have to bet the flop with a c-bet and at least find out what he is going to do in response.
    one idea is to check and rep some weakness. I'm unlikely getting three streets of value here (maybe vs the two combos of KQs?) and my cbet % is a little lower than most regs
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    Driest board possible, yah betting my entire range that sizing. We're going to be betting air often on this board, a smaller bet of around $3 only has to work around 30% or so of the time.
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    Gonna differ with griffey on this one (edit: he may have meant "entire betting range" which if so you can disregard). I think that you'll potentially make a good bit more money with your air if you check back some of it here with some decent hands to balance.

    I would check back some air that can turn strong second pair hands vs bb's calling range, stuff like J9, as I don't think betting and turning a 9/J would be worth much, we'd win at sd some but our hand will usually be too weak to call a river bet once we check back turn.

    I'd also check back weak kings and QQ/JJ on this board with a relatively high frequency. All in all I'd probably check more air than pairs, but I think BB will give you a lot of credit for sd value and check his air ott a huge amount of the time, and you can make a delayed cbet that is significantly more profitable than a flop cbet would have been.

    That said, I think betting stuff like 65/A3 on the flop is pretty standard. I could go either way on betting 33, I think there are strong merits for and against.
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    Sorry yes, I meant my entire betting range.

    I'm also checking back some weak kings / QQ/ JJ for balance with the rest of my check back range.
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    I bet 2 or 2,5 to induce a raise or simply check the flop. The board is good to play that way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    flop cbet? sizing?
    villain seems strong but maybe he's just aggro
    at full tables i have him at 21-16-9, shorthanded he opens up only a little.
    he folds vs cbets 60%, raises 30%.
    he's seen me have it pretty much every time this session

    $0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG ($240.55) 241bb
    daven (UTG+1) ($304.50) 305bb
    CO ($83.05) 83bb
    BTN ($97.30) 97bb
    SB ($100.60) 101bb
    BB ($112.05) 112bb

    Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) daven is UTG+1
    1 fold, daven raises to $3, 3 folds, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($6.50, 2 players)
    BB checks,
    I will make raise $2 to $3, only to take him a little money that I think he will pay. I don't think that he has pocket pair, probably he has AQ,AJ or KQ (maybe in the same color).

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