200nl AK c/r OTT

Villain is oHaunHauno and is running on the nitty side of tag. I guess all I can say is wtf is he doing here? His line is pretty absurd but in my experience when tag's take odd lines on coordinated boards they usually have it but at the same time he'd have to be pretty f spewy to do this for value.


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

MP1: $214.00
MP2: $413.00
CO: $200.00
BTN: $200.00
SB: $200.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $209.00
UTG+1: $200.00
Hero (UTG+2): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+2 with K A
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, MP1 calls $6, 5 folds

Flop: ($21.00) T K Q (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($21.00) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, MP1 folds, UTG raises to $40, Hero?

Can you just make one thread for these next time moocow?

Bet/fold the flop.

fold

not the biggest fan of b/fing flop because he can credibly c/r me off my hand with all his semis.

i called turn and called river, villian had JJ

Originally Posted by moocow

Villain is oHaunHauno and is running on the nitty side of tag. I guess all I can say is wtf is he doing here? His line is pretty absurd but in my experience when tag's take odd lines on coordinated boards they usually have it but at the same time he'd have to be pretty f spewy to do this for value.


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

MP1: $214.00
MP2: $413.00
CO: $200.00
BTN: $200.00
SB: $200.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $209.00
UTG+1: $200.00
Hero (UTG+2): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+2 with K A
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, MP1 calls $6, 5 folds
I'd 3-bet here pre, AK is a powerful hand and it severly cuts AA and KK out of his range more due to his nittish side these would be def hands he could, but the effect of blockers here cuts that down in half, so even being on this nittier side, he's doing this with like TT+, AKo+, AQs and rarely but maybe some suited connectors below faces(even just to balance, but really I don't think so), Well AK can play great multi-way I understand, but you're going to be playing it oop in absolute terms, but realitive position you're in a great spot due to being IP agaisnt the likely better otf, but I'd like to 3-bet here with blockers and play the hand IP all the way if he does call, also some chance of getting him to flop pre which is always +ev esp with AK I'd think.
Flop: ($21.00) T K Q (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks
Well based on that range he flopped either a set, oesd with JJ, or even top pair or 2nd pair with a gutshot, his check here to me seems more like top pair or 2nd pair, and not so much a set I'd think a set would have to bet here like all day at like full pot to def push out draws on such a dangerous board, but I can understand most people will call anyway if they're thinking they'll get his whole stack so it'd be like 10 to 1 almost on implied odds wise, calling the 20~ or so, to win the remaining 194(round to bout 200) and it's pretty much an auto-call with any nut draw I suppose. So hes still got like a set, or top pair top kick/2nd pair top kick planning to fire on a safe card.
Turn: ($21.00) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, MP1 folds, UTG raises to $40, Hero?

He doesn't fire, but he c/r's on a realtively safe turn as far as any draws comming in other than a backdoor heart draw. So his range is like sets/top pair. I don't really think he's c/r's less than a set though. So he's got like a set of T's or Q's and K's here more towards the QQ or TT, I honestly think you can find a realtively easy fold and instead of being put in this tough spot I'd like a 3-b pre to have him make the tough decisions If he does call and and then c/rs you on the flop you'll know you're almost certainly beaten as opossed to this spot we're you're like wtf? You value bet his hand for him. I honestly think a c behind wouldn't be bad here, with his strong range it is highely likely you're not often getting called by worse and never folding anything better. And with your preflop passivity, if you were going to bluff in that spot do it on the flop or not at all imo, that whole flop is a really wet one likely to slam his range. A c behind would be better and eval the river. Less tough decisons for you. A 3b might not even be the best because his opening range is similar to his 3b continuing range. Idk but based on as played I'd think c back turn. Your hand is pretty vulnerable on a dangerous board with someone left to act behind you.

I did this without reading the replies so let me know if you see flaws in my thinking.

I would 3b pre, and check back flop and turn and call river if its a heads up pot, to some this might sound passive but his utgopening range is flipping with AKo so id like to get it heads up and get to showdown, especially on that board.

This hand plays a lot easier when we 3 bet pre. As pointed out, we have position on the original raiser, but this puts us in that always awkward spot of being stuck in the middle if someone after us calls, if I were on the BTN and nobody called after you, I'm calling and squeezing a ton.

If we 3 bet and he checks the flop, it's an easy bet if he C/Rs, we now have a decision, but if this guy's a nit, we can prob fold here quite a bit and feel pretty good about it. Still not 3 betting pre leaves his range so wide open. He has way more information about us than we have about him.

Our op can safely assume that we don't have AA, KK or QQ as these are almost auto 3 bets, but we can't elminate AA, KK and QQ from his range.

The C/R on the turn is really tricky. I really think I'm folding here if this guy is as nitty as you said. Unless we have some really solid read or reason to believe our nit is getting a little out of line I think a call down is pretty -EV.

Did this guy just get felted and rebuy? This might be a reason to lean towards calling. Have you been tracking stats against him? He on a bit of a losing spell? This might be another reason to call. Maybe if he's on an uncharacteristic winning streek and feels invinceable too.

Without this data though, I think this is a fold. You win the pot this time, but more often than not you're looking at QQ, TT, AK, AA, KK here, KQ and AJ if he wasn't such a nit.