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    Default $200NL - This guy makes me sick, please help

    Villian runs 14/4/2.6-2.9-3.2 over a good sample. He calls a fucking shitload preflop and I do never know where I´m at and end up calling one street and folding then, probably folding too often. Tho he´s ALWAYS playing when I do and shares at least 7 tables with me I haven´t seen him caught bluffing yet. I just can´t get a grasp of how to deal with this weird style of play and it drives me insane.

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    I know that some will yell "bet turn ffs" and you´re probably right.
    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    7 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($40.00)
    UTG+1 ($198.00)
    MP ($214.90)
    Hero ($397.25)
    BTN ($314.45)
    SB ($43.50)
    BB ($251.87)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 7 players) Hero is CO
    3 folds, Hero raises to $7, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

    Flop: ($17, 2 players)
    Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

    Turn: ($41, 2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($41, 2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $38, Hero calls $38



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    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($427.05)
    UTG+1 ($194.20)
    MP1 ($236.05)
    MP2 ($200.00)
    MP3 ($40.00)
    Hero ($201.00)
    BTN ($241.35)
    SB ($43.00)
    BB ($205.15)
    [MP3 posted $1]

    Pre-flop: ($4, 9 players) Hero is CO
    UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $10, MP3 folds

    Flop: ($31, 2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($31, 2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $24, Hero calls $24

    River: ($79, 2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $68, Hero folds


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    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    9 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($34.00)
    Hero ($200.00)
    MP1 ($233.35)
    MP2 ($45.00)
    MP3 ($37.00)
    CO ($205.15)
    BTN ($425.05)
    SB ($227.20)
    BB ($276.90)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 5 folds, SB calls $6, 1 fold

    Flop: ($16, 2 players)
    SB bets $14, Hero calls $14

    Turn: ($44, 2 players)
    SB bets $38, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $79.80

    SB wins $79.8 ( won +$20.8 )
    Hero lost -$21.00
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    Hand 1+2 were played well. Hand 3 I dont care for that much, i'd rather raise this flop as your hand is very well concealed. Calling tells him your hand is weak and if you call flop here you should call turn too as He's most likely leading out with 99 or less than a random ace.

    how can villain who is 14/6 be in everypot?


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    I mean everytime I´m at the tables he´s too, he doesnt see every flop with me.

    I feel like he´s calling me extra wide, but thats probably paranoia
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    hand 1: b/f on the turn. NO reason to check that safe card oop.
    hand 2: good line
    hand 3: 3 bet with intention of shoving right on flop, please.
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    hand one awful, bet turn bet river
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    should folding river in hand 2 be obvious or something?
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    id be tempted to look him up in a few spots like these to see his hole cards relating to position.
    Id also look him up in PT and find out what range he is playing and where.
    then i think you'll give yourself some ammo on how to play against him. From what i see your going to value town or he knows he can push you off hands easily
  8. #8
    Folding river in hand 2 seems pretty weak unless you are pretty sure he only has sets here. Especially with his higher river aggression and it sounding like he keeps firing often and you thinking you fold too much. Check flop to get action from his weaker hands right? Isn't this what we wanted?

    Board: Ad 5h 6c 5d 3d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 57.895% 42.11% 15.79% 8 3.00 { AcKs }
    Hand 1: 42.105% 26.32% 15.79% 5 3.00 { AA, 66-55, AQs+, AQo+ }
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    hand one the turn should have been bet, there is no reason to check here and tehn put yourself in a position where you have no idea if you are behind, hand two if you are checking this flop it is to get all your money in later and here there was a check and a fold, hand three is definitely a raise because it has value and it also gives you info, you could be winning here a lot but instead of making a play and maybe getting a smallish loss or a win you dont lose more money but a play like that could cost you money in the long run
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    Thanks for the input guys!


    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    hand one awful, bet turn bet river
    Quote Originally Posted by pokerfan
    hand 1: b/f on the turn. NO reason to check that safe card oop.
    Ya, b/f turn seems mandatory here. I´m not sure if betting river would be the right action, given his increasing AF on late streets and with TT-KK all being in his range. I think he´d bet KQ/AK himself on river.


    Quote Originally Posted by pokerfan
    hand 2: good line.
    Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
    should folding river in hand 2 be obvious or something?
    Quote Originally Posted by reprisal
    { AA, 66-55, AQs+, AQo+ }
    In hindsight I dont like my fold all that much. Vs the average nit it´s a clear fold, but vs this guy we can expect him to lead AQ/AJ. A quick look into PT shows how his aggression increases with later streets and his Att.2 steal is 8%, so he´s not all that positionally aware. This guys limp/calls AJ+ I´d guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000
    I mean everytime I´m at the tables he´s too, he doesnt see every flop with me.

    I feel like he´s calling me extra wide, but thats probably paranoia
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    Hand 1: Against this guy I play the same as I want to get another bet from him on the river that I won't if I fire a 2 barril and he will fold mostly all hands that I'm in front.

    Hand 2: Version this guy (14/4/2.6-2.9-3.2 over a good sample) I cannot fold this river. I fell that he's trying to make you fold QQ-KK on the river on a scare card most often than not (look at his aggression factor). He is representing 56 or 66, but a lot more hands are in his range after our flop check.

    Hand 3: I think I fold here, it's weak. His range is made of hands like T9, JT, QQ, KK or even AA that crush us. But also with hand like 88-99. Therefore, I think a fold is better here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy44
    Hand 1: Against this guy I play the same as I want to get another bet from him on the river that I won't if I fire a 2 barril and he will fold mostly all hands that I'm in front.
    I agree here...the pot's small enough and you're not wanting to play a big pot on this board anyway against a player that you are never sure whether you're ahead/behind so I don't think checking the turn and check-calling most any river is bad at all. Plus I don't think betting the turn against this player puts you in any better shape...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy44
    Hand 2: Version this guy (14/4/2.6-2.9-3.2 over a good sample) I cannot fold this river. I fell that he's trying to make you fold QQ-KK on the river on a scare card most often than not (look at his aggression factor). He is representing 56 or 66, but a lot more hands are in his range after our flop check.
    That's what I was thinking too - as far as trying to get you to fold KK/QQ ... his river bet is way too large given that it looks like you've missed or are worried about the Ace...it's definitely a tougher spot to call but I think you're ahead there ... only thing that would change that would be a pretty specific read on the player that he just bets his hands or something - regardless of whether he thinks you'll call or not...in which case he's betting as if he's hit the board hard.
    It's not an awful fold either though.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy44
    Hand 3: I think I fold here, it's weak. His range is made of hands like T9, JT, QQ, KK or even AA that crush us. But also with hand like 88-99. Therefore, I think a fold is better here.
    I tend to agree with those that said you should probably raise his flop lead and then standard give up from there unimproved. It would have put you in a pretty tough spot to get bluffed out on the river based on a turn check-check to the Ace but I think he folds the flop often enough anyway and that's what you would want to see.
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    My god these hands and this thread are tilting me so hard. Let me give my take:

    Hand 1: $32 on the turn and $56 on the river. You realize you beat KQ on the right?

    Hand 2: WOW what the hell is going on? $25 on the flop, $50 on turn, push river.

    Hand 3: This one I'm really not so sure about. He representing 33. and Ax of spades. I probably play it the same, maybe calling turn.
  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Deanglow
    My god these hands and this thread are tilting me so hard. ... WOW what the hell is going on?
    +1 for Dean. I hate how you played #1 and #2, do as Dean said. They should be aggression-town, you're way ahead.

    Hand #3 is an easy raise to $42, then shut down to opposition.
  16. #16
    The biggest mistake is #3 imo. You are almost certainly way ahead on the flop, no reason not to raise. Calling gives him the ammo to push you out of the way again.
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    i like 1 and 3
    i think you should be calling down the hand 2 because your line is a bluff inducing one ie. checking behind tptk on flop.

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