Go Wall!
No Wall!
02-28-2017 04:01 PM
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02-28-2017 04:18 PM
#77
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I disagree with the concept/theory of the gov't, rather than the market, deciding what things should cost. Especially at the federal level |
02-28-2017 04:51 PM
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02-28-2017 05:20 PM
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Not really,. Not if those market forces have been tainted by criminal activity. Jose's employer has unfair leverage over him, that depresses his wage artificially. As I said, I prefer to combat the forces that create unfairness in the market place (ie. Illegal Immigration), and then leave the rest up to the market. |
02-28-2017 06:35 PM
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I don't want to vote, because there isn't a "couldn't give a fuck" option. | |
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02-28-2017 07:37 PM
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02-28-2017 07:39 PM
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02-28-2017 08:46 PM
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Have you considered that maybe the company doesn't want that guy who's willing to work for cheaper? Maybe there is a reason that guy is willing to take a lower wage. Maybe the company feels that it's worth the extra cost to get a higher quality laborer. |
Last edited by BananaStand; 02-28-2017 at 08:52 PM. | |
02-28-2017 08:51 PM
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There would be more meth heads because something previously illegal became legal. Are you suggesting that illegality plays absolutely NO role in deterring behavior? Thats a pretty hard position to maintain. | |
02-28-2017 08:55 PM
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I can understand that. Schools accept children though. Hospitals dont turn people away. Police and firefighters dont question citizenship before responding to a call. A few states tax based on sales tax alone, and illegals certainly pay that. But those which are payed via paycheck require an actual paycheck. | |
02-28-2017 09:08 PM
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So I mentioned my own company in my previous post. We take boxes off of planes, and put them onto trucks. |
02-28-2017 09:52 PM
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Is that really a fair comparison? The work loads seem vastly different to me. It also seems the amount of work required to deliver mail increases exponentially with the amount of mail. Easy to sort and deliver 1 letter, much harder and more costly to sort and deliver 100, and even more to deliver 1,000,000. | |
02-28-2017 10:05 PM
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It's the most fair comparison there is. My company isn't involved in the delivering of mail. I can't speak for other parts of the supply chain. But at the bulk cargo level, the service we provide to UPS is identical to the service we provide to the Post Office. We're taking boxes off of planes, and putting them on to trucks. |
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03-01-2017 06:06 AM
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No I'm not suggesting that at all, pretty much every policy change has some kind of impact and consequences, often unforeseen. What I do think is that the usage increasing effect of legalization is probably exaggerated, with Portugal and Holland being good evidence for that. In Portugal after legalization all drug use is down several percentage points, drug related crime and deaths are down, rate of HIV infections is down etc. | |
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03-01-2017 09:05 AM
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03-01-2017 09:06 AM
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Fine, bollocks to you, I'll mess the poll up by voting. | |
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03-01-2017 09:08 AM
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5-2 for disapprove? Faggots. | |
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03-01-2017 09:11 AM
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I feel like the Portugal situation is somewhat misleading. First of all, they didn't legalize drugs. They decriminalized possession and use. Kind of a big difference. They still enforce the border, and if someone tries to drive over it with 10 kilos of coke in the trunk, they're seriously fucked. It also mentioned in the article that somewhere along the way they implemented a mandatory minimum income. It's silly to think that's not one of, if not THE, major driver here. Decrease poverty, decrease crime. Sociology 101. |
03-01-2017 10:20 AM
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I would say that legalization and decriminalization are exactly the same thing. You're of course completely right in saying that the legalization only applies to possession and personal use, not distribution. The minimum income program most likely has also had an impact, but I see no reason to think it would be the only or even the biggest reason for the change in stats. | |
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03-01-2017 10:47 AM
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You would be wrong. |
03-01-2017 01:11 PM
#96
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Can't wait to see all my tax dollars wasted on a pipe dream project. |
03-01-2017 01:16 PM
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It's going to be great, the U.S market is eventually going to collapse... And then we are screwed. Then our "President" and his supporters will have to lay in the bed he made. |
03-01-2017 01:30 PM
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Well that's all besides the point anyway, which was that I personally don't make a big distinction on substances based on their legal status, but rather their effects. The only major objective property differentiating alcohol from hard drugs is its legal status. We've waged a war on drugs for decades, and it can be argued things have gotten exponentially worse because of it. | |
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03-01-2017 04:21 PM
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I'm shocked that you believe that. Heroin is addictive immediately, alcoholism develops over a longer period of time. You can have a few drinks and still function like a normal human being. One hit of heroin and you become a vegetable. No single drink will destroy your liver, but every shot of heroin risks a life threatening overdose. The 'but it's the same as alcohol' argument has been pretty well debunked. |
03-01-2017 04:45 PM
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Your opinion without any factual basis does not constitute a debunk. How much is a hit or a shot of heroin? What is a life threatening overdose? How many days of continuous use creates serious physical withdrawal symptoms? | |
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03-02-2017 09:59 AM
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It's not my opinion. And the factual basis is that there are millions, if not billions, of people in the world who enjoy alcohol without a problem. Do you know any 'social heroin users'? Any "casual crack heads" out there? |
03-02-2017 10:12 AM
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All of them. I don't necessarily think that would lead to an increase in meth use. If combined with regulation to improve the quality of these drugs and use of the excise tax on them to fund programs to help addicts and improve public health I think you would see a decrease in drug related problems. | |
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03-02-2017 10:34 AM
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@JKDS | |
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03-02-2017 10:52 AM
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Totally disagree. |
03-02-2017 11:13 AM
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03-02-2017 11:17 AM
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03-02-2017 11:25 AM
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No, the only problem is caused by the criminality of the substance. If it isn't illegal then none of what you said happens. |
03-02-2017 11:30 AM
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What are you not seeing here? In my example, drugs were legal. |
03-02-2017 11:33 AM
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So cartels become pharmaceutical companies? lol |
03-02-2017 11:42 AM
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Illicit ones, yes, absolutely. |
03-02-2017 12:08 PM
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03-02-2017 12:17 PM
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Please show me proof that | |
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03-02-2017 12:21 PM
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I'm thinking one of the problems of legalising drugs would actually be the huge amount of people it would put out of work who work in illegal industries & make money doing so. Then you get lots of people not going to prison. Probably a bad thing. |
03-02-2017 02:53 PM
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So what % of heroin users that you know, have died? What % of alcohol users? If you know 'far too many', I'm guessing they must have a better life expectancy. |
03-02-2017 03:35 PM
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03-02-2017 03:41 PM
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03-02-2017 03:54 PM
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03-02-2017 03:55 PM
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May I just ask how these are relevant to anything? Is death the only harm that should be considered? And even if it was, does alcohol kill? Does cannabis? | |
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03-02-2017 04:34 PM
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Bolded is monumentally false. "everything we got" would include securing the southern border, over which tons and tons and tons of illicit drugs come into the country. It's like if someone broke into your car every single night. You tried calling the cops, you tried using an alarm, you tried security cameras in your driveway, and many other measures. You can't say you're given it "everything you got" until you try locking your car door at night. |
03-02-2017 05:44 PM
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...since a locked car has never been broken into? Building a wall would probably hinder drug trafficking by land from the south, but do nothing about any other direction, nor drugs coming by air, sea, tunnels or manufactured locally. If you think a wall would solve the problem, or even make a significant dent, it's you who's delusional. As long as there's demand there's going to be supply. It's practically impossible to even keep prisons drug free, how on earth do you think it's possible to do for an entire huge country? | |
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03-02-2017 09:49 PM
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It's more than just the addictive nature of a drug like heroin. It's that your first high is the best, and users tend to keep chasing that first high. They do so by increasing the dose, thereby increasing the chacne of a fatal reaction. | |
03-02-2017 09:50 PM
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Are we supposed to "win" the war on drugs? | |
03-03-2017 03:57 AM
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03-03-2017 09:05 AM
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You people are just talking out of your arses when it comes to drugs. You really haven't got a clue. | |
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03-03-2017 09:13 AM
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One of us is definitely delusional. And you're the one who *imagined* that I would support a wall. You do the math. |
03-03-2017 09:31 AM
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03-03-2017 09:36 AM
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03-03-2017 09:39 AM
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03-03-2017 09:47 AM
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To say that drugs should be illegal is to say that the individual's obligations to participate in a better society trump a state's obligations to protect human rights. | |
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03-03-2017 09:51 AM
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And if you think that it's absurd for me to suggest that me not being allowed to smoke weed is an abuse of my human rights, how would you feel if you were told you can't drink wine? Would that not feel a little bit fucking oppressive? | |
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03-03-2017 09:55 AM
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Right, it was really a stretch in a topic called "The Wall" in response to your comment about securing the southern border. | |
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03-03-2017 10:27 AM
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I don't know man, I've only stated my opposition to the wall like nine times in this thread. |
03-03-2017 10:33 AM
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03-03-2017 10:37 AM
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@Ong - chill out. No one here is really talking about weed. We're talking about drugs that are highly addictive and basically poison. |
03-03-2017 01:10 PM
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wontsomebodythinkofthechildren.gif | |
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03-03-2017 01:18 PM
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Just so you know, I am chilled like 99.9% of the time. I realise I probably don't come across as chilled, because of my tone and manner of debate. But I assure you I am chilled. The only time I'm not chilled is when I'm lacking in weed. | |
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03-03-2017 01:41 PM
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you're not in favor of legalization. You're in favor of decriminalization. It's different. |
03-03-2017 01:52 PM
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03-03-2017 01:53 PM
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Also, the War on Drugs is a waste of fucking money. They spend $50b a year on it in the US and drugs are everywhere ffs. | |
03-03-2017 02:46 PM
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If there was already a cartel/gang in control of the weed trade in Ong's neighborhood, and Ong decided to enter that market, he'd get shot in the face. |
03-03-2017 03:05 PM
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03-03-2017 03:18 PM
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03-03-2017 03:18 PM
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Tons and tons of tons do. It's no coincidence that poppy production in Mexico has more than tripled over the last 5 years. |
03-03-2017 03:22 PM
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03-03-2017 03:25 PM
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Then what? All the gangs go home? They turn in their guns and stop playing? They all get jobs as stock boys at the cocaine store? |
03-03-2017 03:36 PM
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The explosion in the prison population starting around 1980 parallels the drop in violent crime almost perfectly. Locking up people ftw. | |
03-03-2017 03:38 PM
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Your point was that I'd get shot in the face if I grow weed where cartels operate. My point is that if weed were legal, there would be no cartel operating, because they have no means of profit. | |
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03-03-2017 03:51 PM
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Good, that's where violent criminals belong. I've been hearing so much about 'mass incarceration' is an unnecessary expense, and doesn't do anything to solve crime. Well.....there's your data. More criminals in jail = less crime on the street. |
03-03-2017 03:53 PM
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03-03-2017 03:56 PM
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What?? Who would they compete with? Are there legit businesses out there with access to poppy crops, and the skills/equipment necessary to process it into heroin? |