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  1. #1501
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Forget it. You're absolutely right, there's no reason to suspect him of anything. Everyone who accused him is a lying demagogue.
    What would the FBI do that the Judiciary committee hasn't?

    Who would the FBI talk to that the judiciary committee hasn't?

    What investigative power would the FBI exercise that the judiciary committee hasn't?

    What open question exists that the committee was unable to answer, but would likely be answered as a result of an FBI investigation?


    The guy once had access to the nuclear codes. For real. The actual nuclear codes. Do you think the FBI took that seriously? Do you think they did a brief and superficial investigation into his background in order to vet him for that position?

    Do you think there are people at the FBI who think things like "We just go through the motions when someone wants to work for the president, but if some random cunt makes an almost-rape allegation....that's when we really start to investigate"
  2. #1502
    Yaya I know, they're all liars and demagogues.

    I'm surprised they even let Ford talk to the committee really. They should've talked to you first.
  3. #1503
    It was just reported this morning that Jeff Flake is voting "yes" on BK.

    That leaves 5 "maybes" and BK only needs ONE to go his way.
  4. #1504
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Yaya I know, they're all liars and demagogues.

    I'm surprised they even let Ford talk to the committee really. They should've talked to you first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    ^Can you explain exactly what about that picture makes you go "Hmmmmm, I think we need a totally different bureaucratic monolith to ask all the same questions over again"
    Because if you're right, then 3 people are obstructing justice (IDK if that's legally apt, but that's what they're doing if this is all BS), and that is wasting loads of people's time and taxpayer money, not to mention the effects on BK's family and personal life.

    I'd think you'd be excited to have these people exposed as the criminal liars you simply can't imagine they're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    What would the FBI do that the Judiciary committee hasn't?

    Who would the FBI talk to that the judiciary committee hasn't?

    What investigative power would the FBI exercise that the judiciary committee hasn't?

    What open question exists that the committee was unable to answer, but would likely be answered as a result of an FBI investigation?


    The guy once had access to the nuclear codes. For real. The actual nuclear codes. Do you think the FBI took that seriously? Do you think they did a brief and superficial investigation into his background in order to vet him for that position?

    Do you think there are people at the FBI who think things like "We just go through the motions when someone wants to work for the president, but if some random cunt makes an almost-rape allegation....that's when we really start to investigate"
    These are good questions. While you seem to be asking them rhetorically, the answers are not evident.
    If 3 people are knowingly acting to defame and discredit a presidential nominee via a smear campaign based on lies, then that's a very big deal, and I want those people to face justice.

    Why don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    These are good questions. While you seem to be asking them rhetorically, the answers are not evident.
    If 3 people are knowingly acting to defame and discredit a presidential nominee via a smear campaign based on lies, then that's a very big deal, and I want those people to face justice.

    Why don't you?
    What do you mean by "face justice"?

    I think I've been pretty clear that I believe the first woman probably is telling the truth, but is the victim of her own memory and is mistaken about the identity of her attacker. That's not a crime. It's not even malicious. It's just tragic. The only "justice" in this case is to hear her testimony, and judge it on it's merits. She can't provide relevant details and her witnesses refute her claims.

    The second woman is pretty much the same thing, but slightly less credible. Again, she can't provide any relevant details about the event. Again she names witnesses who refute her story. The committee investigated and concluded that this woman's story amounts to fuzzy memories of nothing specific, with some blanks filled in after hunkering down with an activist lawyer for six days.

    And the final woman is human filth. She is straight up garbage. I hope she really did get raped. That seems like a fair consequence for going to a party nine different times, witnessing coordinated drugging and gang-raping of women, and then never reporting it. That makes her complicit in at least 9 rapes. I hope she got AIDS, that would be justice.

    As far as justice for her goes....what can be done? She made a sworn statement that says she has fuzzy memories. She never actually alleged anything. She just says BK "was around" bad stuff. Demagoguery is not illegal.
  9. #1509
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Federal Bureau of Investigation
    What power do they have that the Senate Judiciary Committee doesn't?

    What witness would they question who hasn't already been interviewed by the committee under penalty of felony?

    What magic fact-finding powers do you think the FBI possesses?


    MMM thinks these questions are asked rhetorically. THey're not. I welcome actual answers. I'm not providing answers, because those questions have no answers. The answer to those questions, all of them, is "none". I've posed these questions a half dozen times now. They've been posed to the senate committee....BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. No one wants to answer that. They just want to play demagogue and try to fool the American people into believing that BK is engulfed in a shroud of doubt and it's possible that Trump wants to put a rapist on the Supreme Court....cuz he hates women and loves rape

    Anyone who says "we don't have all the facts" or "we need to investigate more" is a partisan hack who just hates Trump more than they care about holding their own representatives to a reasonable standard of behavior.
  10. #1510
    the dean of Yale Law School, where Kavanaugh earned his law degree, is joining the American Bar Association in calling for an “additional investigation.”
    I guess they share that silly idea that the FBI is better able to investigate crimes than the Sen. Just. Comm.
  11. #1511
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I guess they share that silly idea that the FBI is better able to investigate crimes than the Sen. Just. Comm.
    Right....college deans are all about fair application of Government, and never go ballistic-hypocrite when it comes to opposing Trump
  12. #1512
    What is the big rush to get him confirmed before proper investigations can be done?

    Oh wait I remember. They're planning on getting killed in the midterms.
  13. #1513
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    What is the big rush to get him confirmed before proper investigations can be done?

    Oh wait I remember. They're planning on getting killed in the midterms.
    Jeeeeezus man. Hypocrisy much?

    You're shitting on the republicans by trying to do it before the midterms, but you give the Dems a pass for doing all this shady shit in order to try and delay until after the midterms?

    You think America deserves an incomplete court for the next six months because it's politically preferable for the loudest half of the country?

    WTF??
  14. #1514
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You're shitting on the republicans by trying to do it before the midterms, but you give the Dems a pass for doing all this shady shit in order to try and delay until after the midterms?
    Nice leaping to conclusions there. You're saying these women are all plants now? 'Cause just a minute ago you said you believed Ford. So if she's telling the truth and acting in good faith, why do you have a problem with the Dems wanting her to be heard?



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You think America deserves an incomplete court for the next six months because it's politically preferable for the loudest half of the country?
    Lol, speaking of hypocrisy. How long was that seat vacant when Obama was president?



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    WTF??
    aaargh.jpg
  15. #1515
    America Magazine, published by the Jesuit religious order in the United States, which ran Kavanaugh’s school and educated him, has rescinded its endorsement of Kavanaugh, saying the nomination was no longer in the interests of the country and "should be withdrawn”.
    Pressure's building.
  16. #1516
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Nice leaping to conclusions there. You're saying these women are all plants now? 'Cause just a minute ago you said you believed Ford. So if she's telling the truth and acting in good faith, why do you have a problem with the Dems wanting her to be heard?
    I'm not leaping to any conclusions.

    FACT: Ford contacted Feinstein at the end of July
    FACT: Feinstein referred Ford to a hyper-feminist lawyer
    FACT: Feinstein interviewed Kavanaugh on August 20th....DIDN'T mention the sex assault allegations
    FACT: Feinstein and other committee democrats kept this secret from the chairman and republican members of the committee until AFTER the hearings were closed on September something

    Shady shit.

    And I'm not saying these women are all plants. I'm saying the first one is wrong, and the other two are plants. One by the democrats and another by the creepy porn lawyer. I don't think Avenatti was part of the Dems plan. I think he's a maverick interloper trying to be relevant.
  17. #1517
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Pressure's building.
    Lol, they better hurry. The committee votes in 17 minutes!!
  18. #1518
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    before proper investigations can be done?
    I thought we weren't jumping to conclusions? What's the difference between the investigation(s) that has(have) already taken place, and a "proper" one?
  19. #1519
    Fuck.....something batshit crazy is about to happen......

    God damn democrats!!!!
  20. #1520
    Less than 1 min ago
    JUST IN: Serious conversations about additional FBI investigation are underway
    From CNN's Dana Bash

    Serious conversations are underway about how and whether a brief additional investigation could be done by the FBI and a vote delayed by no more than a week, CNN has learned.

    We'll bring you more as we get it
    What's the over/under on how many more Trump hating attention-whore feminist battle axes come out of the woodwork next week?
  21. #1521
    Nevermind. Sanity prevailed.

    All of the Democrats all voted no and all of the Republicans voted yes for the nominee.

    11 yeas and 10 nays were counted.
    More drama to come...of course!

    I hope Trump has a better mean-name for Jeff Flake than just "flake"
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  24. #1524
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    It's true that Trump brushed it off. The truth of why the laughing occurred seems to be speculative at this point. Maybe they all thought "wow, this guy is a retard (after inviting him to chair the fucking meeting)". Or maybe they were genuinely amused and refreshed at his non-diplomatic speaking style. Both are plausible. So reporting on the incident as shameful or mocking towards Trump, would be spin.
    Guess we solved that little "mystery"




    Nice try Nikki and Fox.

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/n...pect-1.6511189
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Guess we solved that little "mystery"
    I would have watched this. I was genuinely interested to see if there was actual substantive data and follow up on this non-story. I'm serious, I was very happy to watch a video, perhaps learn something, and be ready for meaningful discourse on the topic.

    Then I pushed play and saw it was Pakman. I told you, just cite your fucking source. I'm not listening to this bleeding heart twink pretend he's Jon Stewart.
  26. #1526
    Fuck I watched it anyway.

    So pakman has two sources...both anonymous. It's odd he doesn't say "XYZ news outlet obtained this quote from an anonymous latin american diplomat" He just says "here's this quote" but doesn't say how he got it.

    Also, it's sure convenient that they're both non-white diplomats. So if anyone ever challenges this...they're racist.
  27. #1527
    I also enjoyed how Pakman and his down-syndrome buddy have that back and forth about how dumb Trump's adminstration is for having such a vehement response to this. Cause Pakman really knows exactly how to run a presidential administration.

    God, fuck this guy. His girlfriend dresses him and he expects me to listen to him soapboxing about how if he were POTUS he'd run things so much smarter.
  28. #1528
    Oh wait, there is one direct quote from a named source:

    The world is laughing at us.
    Donald Trump.
  29. #1529
    seriously Poop, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt. Pakman just spewed propaganda, not journalism. He's talking out of his ass. HE HAS NO SOURCE!!

    Honestly, if you find him compelling or credible at all, I worry about you
  30. #1530
    banana you're peering into everything that is wrong with the world these days. People don't know what journalism is anymore. They think this guy is a journalist, while people like Craig Murray are bitter bloggers with an axe to grind.
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  31. #1531
    Ok, lets forget that it's blatantly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up Trump's ass that the UN was laughing at him and not with him.

    When someone makes a statement in a straight tone of voice, gets laughed at, then looks surprised, that's a hint right there it wasn't their intention to be funny.

    But here, if it makes you happy have some sources that you can rage against, and then you can also cry some more about what's wrong with the world when people believe what they see with their own eyes rather than what you want them to believe.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/28...nited-nations/

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...d-donald-trump
  32. #1532
    Here's China not taking Trump seriously. Relevant bit starts at 0:50

  33. #1533
    Trump cracking more jokes.

    Watch from 1:30.

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    The devil's triangle.

    PJ Was there.

    Renate withdrew her support once she found out about the yearbook thing.

    And now

    He once said polygraphs are important for job interviews and hiring decisions. You know, like exactly when you are looking to hire someone for a lifetime position. And now he does a 180 on his OWn PREVIOUS RULING.

    This dude's a joke. And guilty as fuck. It's more about the lies, actually. These indicate the character of someone who will have to judge shit. For the rest of his life.

    Can you honestly say I have no problems confirming a bonafide liar to a judge's seat which he will hold for life, just because he happens to be prolife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    What's Boef (?).
    You mean taking drugs or alcohol up the ass? Oh sorry I meant to fart.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    The devil's triangle.
    I forget K's explanation for this, was it close to the Bermuda triangle? I'm pretty sure it wasn't another word for spitroasting.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    PJ Was there.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ne-blasey-ford

    Interesting that Graham threw his little tantrum right when that came up. "Hey look over here! Man losing his shit!"

    aaargh.jpg

    "Now, where were we?"

    Also interesting that Ford claimed independently that PJ was there.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Renate withdrew her support once she found out about the yearbook thing.
    K's explanation: "Oh I said it out of respect. Renate was someone alot of us took to dances and stuff."

    Renate obviously didn't think it was out of respect. This guy sure has a thing for using phrases in completely different ways to how they're commonly understand.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    And now

    He once said polygraphs are important for job interviews and hiring decisions. You know, like exactly when you are looking to hire someone for a lifetime position. And now he does a 180 on his OWn PREVIOUS RULING.

    This dude's a joke. And guilty as fuck. It's more about the lies, actually. These indicate the character of someone who will have to judge shit. For the rest of his life.
    Actually, I'm kinda leaning towards thinking he did it. His Fox News interview where he pretends to be a choir boy suggests he has something to hide. And then his demeanor in that whole questioning on Thurs. was pretty bad.

    "Do YOU like beer?!"

    "Have YOU ever passed out?!"

    aaargh.jpg

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-hearing-chart

    Hey man, when you're innocent, you don't get all evasive and belligerent.

    Methinks he doth deflect too much.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Can you honestly say I have no problems confirming a bonafide liar to a judge's seat which he will hold for life, just because he happens to be prolife?
    You'd be surprised at what people can honestly say. First, they discount Ford's story as either 'lying' or 'confused', then they make excuses for all of K's lies, because 'the D's are railroading him, so it's all good', then they say 'yes, I have no problem because although he did lie under oath, his lies aren't as bad as the D lies.' Toss in a few words like 'creepy porn lawyer' and '36 years ago' and so on, and shazam, no more cognitive dissonance.
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    I should add that once you've voted for a creepy porn president, a rapey Supreme Court Justice doesn't seem so out of line.
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    Is there any quote of him discrediting the polygraph or refusing to take one himself, or anything like that?
    Otherwise, I don't see the hypocrisy indicated in the article.
    Especially the part where it's, "in the coming hours and days..."
    Did any of that happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by link above
    Brett Kavanaugh is prepared to stand for the proposition that “there’s a law for thee but not for me.”
    This is bog-standard. In general, people don't make laws to regulate their own behavior(s).
    Other than Congress voting to increase their own pay, people don't tend to make laws that have any expected effect on themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by link above
    That should be a disqualifying characteristic in a Supreme Court justice.
    I wish we lived in that world, but we don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I should add that once you've voted for a creepy porn president, a rapey Supreme Court Justice doesn't seem so out of line.
    Is the Electoral College in charge of Supreme Court nominees, too?
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    How's the Kool Aid taste you guys?

    They won't let me drink it. My IQ is over 70
  40. #1540
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Is the Electoral College in charge of Supreme Court nominees, too?
    It's the setting of a precedent. The EC implicitly accepted a CPP, it's harder for them to get collectively outraged by a RSCJ.
  41. #1541
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I got no credible way to respond to these posts.

    Here's some ad hominens instead.
    fyp
  42. #1542
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    fyp
    I spent the better part of last week giving overwhelmingly credible responses to the points being made today. Learn to read.

    If there is anything you think is at all ambiguous, then feel free to ask. There's a lot of dog shit to respond to today, so in the interest of keeping this non-ridiculous...please just pick one thing at a time. So, what's first?

    __________ is a disqualifying flaw that precludes BK from serving on the court.

    Please cite your evidence. I will accept factual evidence, empirical evidence, compelling circumstantial evidence, or even logical assumptions as long as they're based in the universe of rationality.
  43. #1543
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I spent the better part of last week giving overwhelmingly credible responses to the points being made today. aaargh.jpg
    From what little of your earlier ramblings I did get through before I realised you were talking shit, your "responses" to these points were mostly attacks on the credibility of the evidence against K. IOW, you were talking about other issues.

    These posts today, had you read them, related to what K himself said at the hearing, how he lied about what his yearbook said for example. Maybe you have some good excuses for those too now?

    let me sum those up for you:

    Boofing, devil's triangle, Renate. All things K lied about under oath.

    PJ was there. Specifically, how Ford remembered that little detail of the evening in question on her own years ago before K was ever nominated.

    K's petulant behavior at hearing towards D senators.

    K's evasiveness at hearing, especially as compared to Ford's directness.
  44. #1544
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    he lied about what his yearbook said for example.
    Lied? About what?

    Boofing, devil's triangle, Renate. All things K lied about under oath.
    There's the L word again? How do you know he is lying? What qualifies you to judge the veracity of his account of 30-year old inside-jokes?

    PJ was there. Specifically, how Ford remembered that little detail of the evening in question on her own years ago before K was ever nominated.
    If I'm not mistaken, PJ refutes Ford's account. Has he changed his mind?

    K's petulant behavior at hearing towards D senators.
    If he played it cool they'd be ripping him for being cold and uncaring with regards to an abused woman. If he sinks, he's innocent. if he floats, he's a witch. Fuck that argument.

    And the D senators engaged in a coordinate political play in which it was content to destroy this man's life for the petty end result of delaying his confirmation and holding the seat open until the head count in the Senate is more favorable to them. That's fucking bullshit. Every american who cares about due process, the presumption of innocence, democratic elections, and the fucking constitution should be profusely disappointed in every one of their democrat senators.

    There is not an informed person in the world that thinks BK is guilty of anything....and that statement includes every democratic senator.

    If I were BK I wouldn't have answered any questions. I would have sat there holding up both birds for three hours. I think that's an appropriate response when you live your entire life according to the highest moral standard, and then some political hack wants to try and tear you down by asking about your fucking high school yearbook.

    K's evasiveness at hearing, especially as compared to Ford's directness.
    Evasiveness? What hearing were you watching? What question was he reluctant to answer?

    What I saw, was that the only question he wouldn't answer was "Will you call for an FBI investigation into yourself?"
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    For fuck's sake....if this isn't a political stunt....why is Alyssa Milano seated right behind BK, face in the center of the screen?

    There's like 30 seats in that room. How did Ms MeToo get in there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Is there any quote of him discrediting the polygraph or refusing to take one himself, or anything like that?
    Otherwise, I don't see the hypocrisy indicated in the article.
    Especially the part where it's, "in the coming hours and days..."
    Did any of that happen?


    This is bog-standard. In general, people don't make laws to regulate their own behavior(s).
    Other than Congress voting to increase their own pay, people don't tend to make laws that have any expected effect on themselves.


    I wish we lived in that world, but we don't.

    This is verbatim what his ruling said

    As the Government notes, law enforcement agencies use polygraphs to test the credibility of witnesses and criminal defendants. Those agencies also use polygraphs to “screen applicants for security clearances so that they may be deemed suitable for work in critical law enforcement, defense, and intelligence collection roles.”

    The Government has satisfactorily explained how polygraph examinations serve law enforcement purposes.

    Second, the reports contain information about techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations. As the Government points out, the reports detail whether a particular agency’s polygraph procedures and techniques are effective. The reports identify strengths and weaknesses of particular polygraph programs. In describing the effectiveness of polygraph techniques and procedures, the reports necessarily would disclose information about the underlying techniques and procedures themselves, including when the agencies are likely to employ them.
    So, he accepted and ruled that the Government has satisfactorily explained how polygraph examinations serve law enforcement purposes, yet now he believes these are unreliable. Didn't he know these were unreliable back when he was doing that ruling? It's either hypocrisy, ineptitude, or a combination of both.

    This is what he now says, while on the hotseat when asked if he had taken a polygraph

    “No, I’ll do whatever the committee wants. Of course, those are not admissible in federal court,” he said, knowing that the Republican-controlled committee was unlikely to instruct him to take a polygraph. “They’re not admissible in federal court because they are not reliable, as you know.”
    He also got on the moral high ground when they "asked about his sexual life".

    When we remember, in the Ken Starr/Arkansas/Bill Clinton investigation on some real estate deals he attacked Billy's sex life savagely.

    Cigar's, anyone?

    with a focus on highly specific and explicit interrogations — "piece by painful piece" — including multiple queries clarifying precisely where the ejaculate landed. "The idea of going easy on him is ... abhorrent to me," Kavanaugh wrote.
    The hypocrisy is off the charts with this "choir boy". Plus, he did it. The devil's (triangle) is in the details
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    He said polygraphs serve law-enforcement purposes.

    At the time of that question, he was not the subject of, or a witness in, a law enforcement investigation.

    He also said he would take one if the committee asked him to. Maybe the repubs would have stopped that, but no dem even made a motion, so I think its fairly self-evident that the polygraph is a non-starter.

    Make no mistake, THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT WANT HIM TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH.
  48. #1548
    . "The idea of going easy on him is ... abhorrent to me," Kavanaugh wrote.
    He holds the president of the united states to a higher standard than a 16 year old. What a fucking hypocrite!!!!

    Jack.....are you currently posting from a paint huffing party???
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    There's the L word again? How do you know he is lying? What qualifies you to judge the veracity of his account of 30-year old inside-jokes?"
    Let's be realistic.

    Imagine I say three things that everyone agrees have three particular meanings. And then when asked, I give three other definitions that by mere coincidence all make me look more virtuous than the accepted meanings. No-one should believe that I'm telling the truth, even if I'm a republican.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, PJ refutes Ford's account. Has he changed his mind?
    Any account along the lines of "I don't remember being complicit in attempted rape" does not count as a refutation, sorry. And what do you expect him to say? "Sure I was there and stood by laughing while it happened. So what?"

    I also find your use of Judge as a "witness" ridiculous for the same reasons.

    You also claim the friend of Ford who doesn't remember a party 36 years ago where nothing happened to HER is evidence that K is innocent of assaulting Ford. No, it's evidence that K is innocent of assaulting Ford's friend.




    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If he played it cool they'd be ripping him for being cold and uncaring with regards to an abused woman. If he sinks, he's innocent. if he floats, he's a witch. Fuck that argument.
    Nope. There's a middle ground of being engaged and showing concern without being belligerent. He acted like a bratty entitled kid that needed a slap.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    And the D senators engaged in a coordinate political play in which it was content to destroy this man's life for the petty end result of delaying his confirmation and holding the seat open until the head count in the Senate is more favorable to them.
    So you don't accept credible direct eyewitness evidence for K's guilt, but you do accept some vague conspiracy-driven theory of Dems' guilt in trying to 'ruin his life'.

    Frankly, I don't doubt the D's exploited Ford's testimony for political gain. That doesn't in and of itself discredit the testimony itself however.

    Also, if I recall correctly it was Flake who agreed to the FBI investigation. So I guess he's in on the conspiracy too by your logic.







    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    That's fucking bullshit. Every american who cares about due process, the presumption of innocence, democratic elections, and the fucking constitution should be profusely disappointed in every one of their democrat senators.
    Due process has been followed. What are you even talking about?

    The rest of this stuff is just pure demagoguery. There's nothing about democratic elections being at stake here. There's nothing about the presumption of innocence that has been abused, nor about the constitution. Is Kavanaugh in jail? No, it's under investigation. As it should be.




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    There is not an informed person in the world that thinks BK is guilty of anything....and that statement includes every democratic senator.
    You're right, every informed person thinks more investigation is needed.




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    If I were BK I wouldn't have answered any questions. I would have sat there holding up both birds for three hours. I think that's an appropriate response
    Somehow I'm not surprised his belligerence seemed appropriate to you.




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    when you live your entire life according to the highest moral standard
    source? 'Cause i've heard three separate accounts to the contrary, one of which was very credible, as well as several people describe him as quite the pisstank.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    and then some political hack wants to try and tear you down by asking about your fucking high school yearbook.
    Goes to credibility. If the guy can't admit he was a pisstank in high school and college and had sex (who didn't?) why expect him to admit to anything even worse?




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    Evasiveness? What hearing were you watching? What question was he reluctant to answer?

    What I saw, was that the only question he wouldn't answer was "Will you call for an FBI investigation into yourself?"
    Look at the graph I posted earlier. He was evasive at several points.

    Here's a few examples:

    Q: Did you ever pass out from drinking?

    A: Did you?


    Q: Did you ever drink too much?

    A: Did you?


    Q: How many drinks is too many?

    A: I dunno. Whatever the chart says.


    It's like interviewing a fucking teenager. Answer the question, yes, no, or how many. Why act all petulant if you're innocent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    For fuck's sake....if this isn't a political stunt....why is Alyssa Milano seated right behind BK, face in the center of the screen?

    There's like 30 seats in that room. How did Ms MeToo get in there?

    Same way plaid shirt guy got behind Trump at that rally in Montana. Lizard people.
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    The supreme court nominee fell apart crying and saying he likes beer over and over again in a simple he-said-she-said, and trumples are frantically scanning the screen for anything to distract them.

    lol @ even bringing up Alissa Milano

    oh and, yeah, that's right, he brought a fucking calendar!
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    Kate McKinnen deserves an oscar for her SNL performance between this and her Rudy Giuliani impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Let's be realistic.
    Yes, please.

    Imagine I say three things that everyone agrees have three particular meanings. And then when asked, I give three other definitions
    How are we being realistic if we're 'imagining'? Can you admit how fucking ridiculous you are now?

    And who is "everyone" in this context?

    Any account along the lines of "I don't remember being complicit in attempted rape" does not count as a refutation, sorry. And what do you expect him to say? "Sure I was there and stood by laughing while it happened. So what?"
    Mark Judge does not have a current relationship with BK. They haven't spoken in years. He has nothing to risk by admitting that such an incident happened Everyone, including democrats agree, that there is nothing in Ford's allegation that warrants prosecution. So there's no legal risk for Judge to corroborate Ford's story.

    If your theory is that Judge is merely invoking "bro's before ho's" in a matter involving the nation's highest court, you're a special kind of stubborn.

    I also find your use of Judge as a "witness" ridiculous for the same reasons.
    Oh? you weren't talking about Judge just then? Fine, replace Judge's name with PJ's, or Keyser's, or creepy porn lawyer, or whoever. None of these people are lying, or purposefully misremembering just to do a solid for their high school pal.

    You also claim the friend of Ford who doesn't remember a party 36 years ago where nothing happened to HER is evidence that K is innocent of assaulting Ford. No, it's evidence that K is innocent of assaulting Ford's friend.
    it goes to credibility. Ford named that friend as a witness. They didn't pick that woman's name out of a hat. Ford said "this person was there, she'll remember". Then they asked that person, and she didn't.

    Apparently where you live, in bizarro world, that doesn't count against Ford at all? WTF??

    Nope. There's a middle ground of being engaged and showing concern without being belligerent. He acted like a bratty entitled kid that needed a slap.
    He might have saved his nomination. And if he didn't, it was sunk anyway, so at least he went out birds flying.

    So you don't accept credible direct eyewitness evidence for K's guilt
    I would, if such a thing existed. What's your source?

    but you do accept some vague conspiracy-driven theory of Dems' guilt in trying to 'ruin his life'.
    Vague? Dems had this info in July. Hid it until september. Those are overt facts.

    Frankly, I don't doubt the D's exploited Ford's testimony for political gain.
    That's an understatement.

    That doesn't in and of itself discredit the testimony itself however.
    If it was credible, it could have been used more effectively. The fact it was used THIS WAY, severely inhibits its believability.

    Also, if I recall correctly it was Flake who agreed to the FBI investigation. So I guess he's in on the conspiracy too by your logic
    He got guilt-tripped pretty hard. Some feminist cunts cornered him in an elevator and played the "I was a victim, don't you care about me?" card.

    Due process has been followed. What are you even talking about?
    Dems had the info in July. They hid it until September. There were inquiries, hearings, interviews, etc etc etc. All appropriate times to bring this up.

    There's nothing about democratic elections being at stake here.
    Umm, one side won in 2016, they currently hold power, they are within their rights to govern and appoint as they see fit. They have a mandate from the voting public. if minority political faction undercuts that mandate until they get more favorable election results, they are usurping the results of a democratic election.

    There's nothing about the presumption of innocence that has been abused
    ,
    Are you on meth right now?

    nor about the constitution.
    Try READING the fucking constitution! There's a separation of powers. there are supposed to be checks and balances. Congress is supposed to check the executive branch by consenting to appointments to the judicial branch. That's why the judiciary committee exists! It's there for the purpose of vetting appointments. See...the constitution doesn't like it when the executive branch investigates itself. The founding fathers thought that was a little corrupt.

    So who in their right mind thinks it's ok for the FBI to investigate kavanaugh when the Senate has the exact same investigative powers?

    How is this not obvious to you?

    Is Kavanaugh in jail? No, it's under investigation. As it should be.
    What about the investigation to date is unsatisfactory to you?

    You're right, every informed person thinks more investigation is needed.
    False.

    Somehow I'm not surprised his belligerence seemed appropriate to you.

    source? 'Cause i've heard three separate accounts to the contrary, one of which was very credible, as well as several people describe him as quite the pisstank.
    There have been 6 separate exhaustive FBI inquiries into his background. These inquires' scope includes interviews of all of your personal contacts going back to grade school.

    Goes to credibility. If the guy can't admit he was a pisstank in high school and college and had sex (who didn't?) why expect him to admit to anything even worse?
    I don't see how this isn't the case-cracking detail that completely exonerates BK. He claims he was a virgin. The allegations against him say he was a drugging rapist, participator in gang rape, and fluently used code words for raunchy group sex. Obviously someone is lying.

    Don't you think if he was a tenth of the sexual aggressor that they say he is, that there would be one woman out there who would raise her hand and at least admit to consensual sex with BK, thus refuting his virginity claim. The fact that hasn't happen is probably the MOST compelling fact in this whole story.

    It's like interviewing a fucking teenager. Answer the question, yes, no, or how many. Why act all petulant if you're innocent?
    The questions are so obviously made in bad faith. There's no "right" answer he can give that they won't use to smear him. If he says "six drinks is too many", then they'll find evidence of him having seven drinks a handful of times and say what an excessive boozehound he was. If he says "ten drinks is too many", then they'll find some dumb-ass scientist to cite some dumb-ass expert study about how someone BK's height and weight can only metabolize 9.2 drinks or some dumb-ass shit like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How are we being realistic if we're 'imagining'? Can you admit how fucking ridiculous you are now?
    Oh that's clever.


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    And who is "everyone" in this context?
    What? You need me to define 'everyone' for you?

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    Not going to read the rest, sorry. You've already discredited yourself too much already with this disingenuous beginning.
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    What? You need me to define 'everyone' for you?
    Stop with this. Unless you have the 1982 edition of the Urban Dictionary just fuck off.
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    After they're done with Kavanaugh, I want the FBI to look into this.



    I am a victim of sexual assault. I don't expect Judge Kavanaugh or Jake Tapper, or Jeff Flake, or anybody, to be held responsible for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    This is what he now says, while on the hotseat when asked if he had taken a polygraph
    Thanks. That's what I was wondering about.

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    The hypocrisy is off the charts with this "choir boy". Plus, he did it. The devil's (triangle) is in the details
    The rest is interesting, but do you care if/that he did this stuff?

    Not one accusation is alarming to me. It's just some teenage and early-20's pervy shit he did at parties. He certainly shouldn't be getting pervy with anyone whom isn't into that, but if that's the end of it... c'mon. Doing regrettable things at college parties is as American as it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Not one accusation is alarming to me. It's just some teenage and early-20's pervy shit he did at parties. He certainly shouldn't be getting pervy with anyone whom isn't into that, but if that's the end of it... c'mon. Doing regrettable things at college parties is as American as it gets.
    You make it sound like all he did was pinch a girl's ass in a bar. What is it about 'attempted rape' that you think is ok to do, but only in college when you're drunk?
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    I don't think sexual assault is necessarily attempted rape, and since no one is saying they were raped, then I'd rather not escalate the dialogue beyond what is known.
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    Well, she testified that she thought he was going to rape her and/or accidentally suffocate her, went through the terror of that, but he was too drunk to pull it off and his friend knocked him off the bed.

    Even assuming you want to quibble over whether that's some kind of mild sexual assault (doesn't seem mild to me, but whatever), surely you must agree it's somewhere up the scale of invasiveness that crosses the line where being drunk and in college doesn't cut it as an excuse.
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    Isn't it hilarious that a supreme court nominee accused of attempted rape, who was nominated by a president accused of sexual assault, would vote to overturn a law that assures that women who were raped have the right to an abortion.




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    They're [the FBI] gonna do whatever they have to do, whatever it is they do. They'll be doing things that we never even thought of, and uh, hopefully at the conclusion, everything will be fine.
    Reporter: Do you still believe that Kavanaugh did nothing wrong?

    Trump: Yeah I do, I think he's great...a great judge...at the top of the list. But I will say right now, there are a lot of people going out, working very hard. I'm going to West Virginia. We have a big crowd. Many of you are going, and we're gonna have a lot of fun.
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...hot-clock.html

    lol...foreshadowing.

    If the FBI comes up empty.....it's because they didn't have enough time.

    "Of course, the bureau won’t have subpoena power, only the ability to knock on doors and ask questions. But most people will speak to them. Refusal to do so is its own kind of statement."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Thanks. That's what I was wondering about.


    The rest is interesting, but do you care if/that he did this stuff?

    Not one accusation is alarming to me. It's just some teenage and early-20's pervy shit he did at parties. He certainly shouldn't be getting pervy with anyone whom isn't into that, but if that's the end of it... c'mon. Doing regrettable things at college parties is as American as it gets.
    A lying supreme court justice. Under oath.

    Let that sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Make no mistake, THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT WANT HIM TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH.
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    Not one accusation is alarming to me. It's just some teenage and early-20's pervy shit he did at parties. He certainly shouldn't be getting pervy with anyone whom isn't into that, but if that's the end of it... c'mon. Doing regrettable things at college parties is as American as it gets.
    The accusations are immaterial, what is important is how he handles himself. He's having a full-on meltdown defending himself. I know Trump has set the bar below the place where bars usually go, but remember that Kavanaugh is supposed to become a supreme court justice and he's sobbing and screaming in congress. How can anyone seriously consider this man as a supreme court justice after that, unless you need him to unconditionally vote in favor of Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Well, she testified that she thought he was going to rape her and/or accidentally suffocate her, went through the terror of that, but he was too drunk to pull it off and his friend knocked him off the bed.

    Even assuming you want to quibble over whether that's some kind of mild sexual assault (doesn't seem mild to me, but whatever), surely you must agree it's somewhere up the scale of invasiveness that crosses the line where being drunk and in college doesn't cut it as an excuse.
    What she thought was going to happen if ...
    isn't evidence of anything.
    She's not saying he raped her, so calling it rape or attempted rape is escalating the stakes into something the evidence doesn't support.

    Yeah, it's sexual assault by a 17-year-old high school kid. Not a pattern of wrongdoing by an adult. I don't know what "mild" assault means, anyway.
    That allegation isn't from college, it's from a high school party.

    The college party allegation is that he whipped his dick out in a crowded room. Maybe waved it in someone's face. Inappropriate without consent, for sure, but IDK if it qualifies as assault if he never touched her. Whatever, if it is, it is. I'm not trying to draw the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    A lying supreme court justice. Under oath.

    Let that sink in.
    I have. It's not pretty.
    If he's lying, it's about sex. Americans can't handle any public conversation about sex, so of all the things to lie about, I guess it could be a lot worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    The accusations are immaterial, what is important is how he handles himself. He's having a full-on meltdown defending himself. I know Trump has set the bar below the place where bars usually go, but remember that Kavanaugh is supposed to become a supreme court justice and he's sobbing and screaming in congress. How can anyone seriously consider this man as a supreme court justice after that, unless you need him to unconditionally vote in favor of Trump.
    These are much better points to discuss, more alarming and indicative of his current self-restraint, but I don't think they matter to his appointment.
    You'd think disrespecting Congress, whom make the laws he will be deciding on, would be a pretty big red flag regardless of party lines. Unfortunately, I don't think any of them puts enough weight on good governance to see past their own current agenda of supporting their party.
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    Using Oskars logic, every Democrat shouLd lose in november, and the rest should be impeached.

    How can we have congresspeople so openly disrespectful amd angry toward the POTUS??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    And I'm in the paint huffing party
    Yes, that's exactly right. So be careful you might give yourself nerve damage...looks like you're hitting it a little hard.

    Either BK is a lying sexual predator.....and it's completely slipped through 6 previous exhaustive FBI investigations. Or Ford is misremembering the identity of her attacker, similar to how she can't remember any other single detail at all.

    One of those is eminently more likely. And would be a disaster for the democrats.

    Again...if the dems wanted that, all one of them has to do, literally ALL they have to do is lean forward into the microphone and say "Mr. Chairman, I move to have this committee request a polygraph". And then one of his other democrat cronies has to lean forward and say "I second the motion"

    If the dems, REALLY wanted the poly.....^ that would have happened. Maybe the repubs would vote it down, but then that could become another Dem talking point. Seems like a win-win right??

    Except the repubs might not vote it down...and BK might actually pass the polygraph.

    Jack....do you REALLY need this explained to you? Seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post

    Either BK is a lying sexual predator.....and it's completely slipped through 6 previous exhaustive FBI investigations.
    There's another possibility; that he's guilty of (at least) the Ford allegations, and that it didn't come up in the previous FBI screening because they didn't interview her.

    "I wonder why they wouldn't do that?" one might ask. Maybe it's because the FBI doesn't look at someone's behaviour under the age of 18 in their 'exhaustive' background checks.

    Regarding the other allegations, you act like it's unheard of for people to lie to the FBI to protect themselves and/or their friend, and that they all have perfect memories. Like, if K did the dick waving thing, someone else besides the alleged victim who was there (pissed out of their head, we can presume) who both remembers that specific incident (which apparently happens all the time at college parties, if we're to believe Mojo) and is willing to point a finger.

    The two theories I have are that either K is guilty of Ford's allegations, and was too drunk to remember or is feigning innocence, or that Ford's memory is at fault and it was someone else altogether. I don't think we have enough information to lean strongly one way or the other on that one. That still leaves two other allegations to be investigated, however.

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