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Originally Posted by CoccoBill
where is the ridiculous caricature you were talking about a second ago?
I explained that in vivid detail. If you're going to choose to ignore certain information that doesn't fit your argument....well then I can see why you're wrong so much.
Fine, so I guess you're only 75% a blind, unthinking Trump-apologist.
A completely baseless and incendiary accusation. Does that make you feel better to say that? Do you feel like a big boy now?
This may be news to you, but there are numerous different modalities of intelligence. Emotional intelligence (inter and intrapersonal), for example, is the one that has a high correlation with business success.
It's not news to me. What also shouldn't be news is that i flat out refuse to go down that rabbit hole. I'm defining intelligence as "the ability to acquire skills and knowledge". In that regard, Trump has an extremely high aptitude. There's no plausible way he could be where he is, if he didn't possess an extremely high level of intelligence.
Furthermore, he can push a button on his desk and, within seconds, have a dozen experts on any subject ready to educate him on anything he could ever need or want to know. In that context, he's the smartest person on the planet.
Speaking of putting words in mouths, wanna point where I say that?
Right here
The problem for the pro-Trump side of the debate is, that he can certainly be a successful businessman with above average intellect, and all the criticisms against him can still be valid.
See
Everything he says and how he acts.
That's a pathetic dodge. You're accusing an extraordinarily successful person who currently holds the highest office on earth of "not knowing what he's doing". When asked to substantiate that argument in even the slightest way, your answer is "duh, everything". Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.
This is why it's so frustrating talking to you. You do 2 things in every conversation, assume what opinions everyone else holds, and spit your paci out of the pram complaining how others do that to you.
I don't believe I've made any assumptions. I've responded to your own words in explicit detail.
But please, go ahead, what are my positions?
You summed it up pretty well in the last paragraph of post #173. You believe that Trump is incompetent as a politician, lacks understanding of the issues, communicates poorly, and that his communication skills demonstrate below average cognition. You believe all this despite his status as the living icon of business success and his rising to a political office that's only ever been held by 45 men in the entirety of history. And when challenged on WHY you think this...your response thus far has been "duh everything". And you've defended this position by denigrating and disparaging any other opposing view as symptomatic of being a blind, unthinking, Trump-apologist.
I'm not looking for CNN's opinion on what is charismatic or coherent, I'm asking you where he has said something that shows he's intelligent, where it's not a speech written by someone else. For the most successful businessman who's been winning in everything for decades, it shouldn't be that hard, right?
Again, his CPAC speech from just this week is a prime example of exactly what you're looking for. It's been mentioned a half dozen times now, and you're still acting like the question hasn't been answered.
You asked if I haven't seen convincing policy plans from him, which I haven't.
Incorrect. You just disagree with his policy plans, so you find them unconvincing. This is symptomatic of someone who is stuck in an echo chamber.
Now you want me to show proof for my opinions? I do disagree with him with many of his policies, but that's beside the point
No, that pretty much IS your point. And if you were just honest about that, it would be harder to criticize you. Instead you've decided that anyone who disagrees with you is an unthinking, blind, Trump fan-boy.
If "holy shit, that stupid douche is actually being voted in by a bunch of stupid douches, lol they're so screwed" is an echo chamber, then yeah, I guess I'm in it.
The fact that your thinking starts with the premise that he's "a stupid douche" pretty much PROVES the existence of your echo chamber.
Maddow released his form 1040 (his personal taxes, nothing to do with his companies) from 2005. That alone does not tell anything, why on earth should I be convinced?
You're not even paying attention. You just hear what you want to hear.
Two pages of a tax return should not convince you of much. Though, in the absence of any other evidence to the contrary, it's pretty compelling. More importantly though, the reaction to those two pages should convince you that there is absolutely ZERO upside for Trump to release his tax return. He has absolutely nothing to gain. So criticizing Trump for not releasing his returns, is a demonstration of ignorance.
Sociopathic tendencies are vastly over-represented in executive positions in business, there would be nothing extraordinary about that.
So why are we talking about it? It feels like you're equating sociopathy with corruption, ignorance, racism, sexism, and all that other stuff I listed. That's just wrong.
Likely his largest business successes have been being born into a rich family and carrying on the family real estate business.
Dude.....even the most generous estimates of Trump's 'head start' are no higher than $200 million. He's currently worth 20x to 50x that. The rate of return he would have to earn in order to achieve even the most conservative estimates of his net worth is absolutely phenomenal. Your claim is absurd. The math simply doesn't work.
this is yet another example of you discounting Trump's abilities, in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary, just to feed your own echo chamber. Snap out of it!!
Being elected the POTUS carries no formal requirements, he doesn't need to have a certain level of education or experience, doesn't need to pass an entrance exam or aptitude test,
Are you kidding me?? What do you call having every media outlet in the known universe crawl up your ass for a year and half during a presidential campaign?? YOu make it sound like he just filled out a form and kept his fingers crossed.
all he needs to do is be charismatic and strike the right chords in a large enough part of the population. He managed to do that largely due to timing
Huh? You do realize that 17 other people ran at the exact same time, on the exact same platform of lowering taxes, fixing healthcare, and killing terrorists. Right?
I'll cut you some slack on this next one because you're stuck way out there in some shit-hole country that doesn't matter. So maybe you're not keeping your finger on the pulse of american culture. I'm just gonna fix your post here.....
since a lot of poor white folks overtaxed and socially vilified middle class citizens were disenchanted due to the 2008 recession, manufacturing jobs being either eliminated or outsourced, a black guy being the president, LGBTQetc and women's rights being front and center in the discourse Progressive policies that stifled the economy and divided our culture.
There, that's better.
Are you really that stupid? Who wouldn't want to be the one who decides the rules of the game?
because he was doing just fine, better even, with the old rules. There's maybe a .0000000367% chance I could buy into this line of thinking if Trump was like....45 years old. But he's not. He's not going to live very long after he's President. Why try and fuck with the game if you're never going to get to play again??
Lottery winners aren't businessmen most of the time, I'd wager. I would have used maybe Bill Gates and Warren Buffett as examples, but the undeniable point is, that the vast majority of businesses never decide they have enough money. Your claim was that because he's successful he wouldn't have incentive to gain more, which is demonstrably and obviously utter rubbish.
No, my claim was that his personal motivation is diminished by the fact that he has no practical way to enjoy further gains other than the satisfaction of the achievement itself. If someone is extraordinarily driven, and reaches that point, they diversify and seek new challenges in other arenas.....like politics.
There there, wipe the foam off your cheeks so we can continue.
So you're not denying that your position is that Trump went to all the trouble, stress, and triple-digit million dollar expense just so he could sell hotel rooms to secret service agents and foreign entourages.
I would characterize him as the exact opposite of selfless.
How many charitable foundations are named after you Sir?
But that's the thing, most of what I've seen have been anecdotal evidence, questionable facts and circular logic, which require the viewer to be watching the same movie for them to make sense.
I feel like I've cited extensive facts that are NOT questionable or anecdotal. If you dont' understand them, just ask, and I'll be glad to clarify.
What is abundantly clear though, is that you have zero intention or will to learn anything or challenge your base beliefs in any way, since all critique or opposing views just end up being spat on and ridiculed.
No, this is an assumption your making based on a majority of instances. I've explained many times now how I formulate my positions, and whenever I've stated a position, I've been extremely verbose in explaining the facts and logic that support that position. Challenges to those facts come in the form of preachy agnosticism, petty ridicule, and shrugs of "duh...everything"
If I were looking for that I'd go to places where stupid people go.
Like Finland?
I have a hard time believing that just based on the amount of caps in all of your posts on these issues.
Well, if it ever comes out that Trump is not really rich, not really successful, and not really smart, I guess you'll see. Until then you can believe what you want. In the meantime, I'll hang out here in reality where the man OBVIOUSLY has his shit together.
Yeah it'd be much better if they looked like this:
Probably a doctored photo, possibly a joke in poor taste, or maybe even democrats in disguise. Even if it is authentic, I don't believe this photo represents even a slim minority of Trump supporters. However, the photo that I posted most definitely represents a large majority of Trump detractors.
On a serious note about your photo, what's wrong with them?
They're fraudulent. Either that, or ignorant. Possibly both. I say that because the word "racist" is something they are co-opting for shock value and to morally blackmail the other side. I don't believe that any of Trump's policies seek to denigrate or oppress any ethnic group. The examples that have been cited require some logical somersaults. Like the travel-pause that singled out a half dozen notably dangerous countries. To conclude a racist motivation here, you have to do logical somersaults to convince yourself that something that only affects <10% of the muslim population is an attack on ALL muslims. You'd have to ignore the national security concerns cited by virtually every international intelligence agency at our disposal. And you'd have to WANT to believe that Trump is just an evil, islam-hating, racist, xenophobic piece of shit.
I would never deny someone's right to protest. However, the folks in the picture I posted are not protesting. They're simply expressing rage with irrational behavior. It's not the same thing.
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