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  1. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Except that it's YOU whom is not only constantly misunderstanding poopy, you also misunderstand anyone who doesn't tow a right-wing party line.
    Mr. Poopypants has been "misunderstood" by wuf, Ong, and plenty of others. That's what happens when a person is incoherent. I don't find Poop's claims of being coherent credible since his definition of "coherent" was rejected by some 60 million people.

    Furthermore, if you're suggesting that I espouse any party affiliation or loyalty, you are sadly mistaken.

    As far as anyone towing a left-wing party line....I understand them perfectly. I understand that their positions are based on information that is either incomplete, or wholly wrong.
  2. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Maybe women you know are less likely to open up to you about their experiences. I can imagine it's because it seems likely your response would be to call them liars.
    Bitches lie

    ^FACT^

    Happy International Woman's Day!

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  3. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Mr. Poopypants has been "misunderstood" by wuf, Ong, and plenty of others. That's what happens when a person is incoherent. I don't find Poop's claims of being coherent credible since his definition of "coherent" was rejected by some 60 million people.

    Furthermore, if you're suggesting that I espouse any party affiliation or loyalty, you are sadly mistaken.

    As far as anyone towing a left-wing party line....I understand them perfectly. I understand that their positions are based on information that is either incomplete, or wholly wrong.

    There's gotta be an online course in the basics of logic and argumentation you can get on, so you can stop making a complete fool of yourself.

    Of course that assumes you're interested in not being a fool. I suspect you're happy to accept that as the price for being able to spout off your views on the internet and sling poo at anyone who disagrees with you without any need to meet even the basest of requirements for intelligent debate.
  4. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    There's gotta be an online course in the basics of logic and argumentation you can get on, so you can stop making a complete fool of yourself.

    Of course that assumes you're interested in not being a fool. I suspect you're happy to accept that as the price for being able to spout off your views on the internet and sling poo at anyone who disagrees with you without any need to meet even the basest of requirements for intelligent debate.
    Stop making a fool of yourself.
  5. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Bitches lie

    ^FACT^
    Everyone lies. The question is whether they do it systematically and en masse.

    The vast majority of women I was referring to above were ones I'd spoken to before metoo happened fwiw.
  6. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The vast majority of women I was referring to above were ones I'd spoken to before metoo happened fwiw.
    Wouldn't it be interesting to re-survey all the women you know and see how many suddenly have stories about how they were victimized.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F6194

    I find it hard to believe that someone out there has a legitimate story of being victimized that they kept to themselves but then changed their mind 'cause Alyssa Milano said it was cool. Give me a fucking break

    I find it much less hard to believe that women out there enjoy the attention and the sympathy that pours toward them whenever they say shit about a 'bad man'. I know you know what the 'bandwagon effect' is.

    Here's a great example of some bitch looking for sympathy and to get her face in the news.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/polit...uit/index.html

    What does she even allege that Trump did to her? It's not in the article
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    For someone who claims so hard to not be a snowflake, you do cry about your lack of creativity and imagination holding you back from understanding the things happening around you.

    What you find easy or hard to believe is no reflection on reality.
  8. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Wouldn't it be interesting to re-survey all the women you know and see how many suddenly have stories about how they were victimized.
    It might be, but I doubt it would change much since all the discussions were held in confidence.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F6194

    I find it hard to believe that someone out there has a legitimate story of being victimized that they kept to themselves but then changed their mind 'cause Alyssa Milano said it was cool. Give me a fucking break

    I find it much less hard to believe that women out there enjoy the attention and the sympathy that pours toward them whenever they say shit about a 'bad man'.
    Well, that's your interpretation and you're welcome to it.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I know you know what the 'bandwagon effect' is.
    Vaguely. But of course that's just another example of you 'knowing' something without evidence.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Here's a great example of some bitch looking for sympathy and to get her face in the news.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/polit...uit/index.html

    What does she even allege that Trump did to her? It's not in the article
    Not sure on what basis you assume you have a special insight into her motives.
  9. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    What you find easy or hard to believe is no reflection on reality.
    Geez, don't tell him that his whole self-image is based on the idea that belief=fact.
  10. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Not sure on what basis you assume you have a special insight into her motives.
    If she's not after notoriety now, what could her motive possibly be?

    She already got paid. She already got laid. Why else to people bother to get up in the morning?
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  11. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    For someone who claims so hard to not be a snowflake, you do cry about your lack of creativity and imagination holding you back from understanding the things happening around you.
    Is that what it takes to believe these whores' stories? Creativity and imagination??

    Interesting....
  12. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Leniency is not the same as saying what you did is moral. I'm also not convinced that in the particular scenario you outlined, a judge has ever accepted such a defense. But let's say they did: your defense is one of mitigation, it's not a denial of moral responsibility.
    I never suggested that it absolves someone from responsibility, simply that a mistake due to a once-in-a-lifetime loss of control is less immoral than cold and calculated manipulation.

    It depends on the level of harm that was done. If they had a 'momentary lack of judgement' as you call it, got pissed and ran over my kid, and said 'sorry i fucked up and killed your kid', no I wouldn't forgive them. If they accidentally bumped into me in a supermarket in a momentary lack of judgment, and no harm came of it, I would.
    Sure, it's hard to argue this point. Then again, perhaps after many years, after the offender has served his sentence, if it were clear to me he was remorseful, that he was a changed man because of it... maybe. Who knows? But this is besides the point. The morality of an action isn't judged by the outcome. If two people drink five pints then gets into a car, with one running a kid over and the other getting home safely, they both comitted the same offence, they both acted with the same degree of immorality. It's just one had a terrible outcome.

    Conversely, if someone coldly set out to defame me at the same time as I was coldly setting out to defame them, as commonly happens in politics, I'd be inclined to accept that as an acknowledged if distasteful part of the game I'd entered into.
    Again, sure. But we're not talking about defamation, or at least I'm not. I'm talking about exploitation of victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Is that what it takes to believe these whores' stories? Creativity and imagination??

    Interesting....
    For most of us it just takes a modicum of compassion and an honest conversation with any of the women whom we love and love us to get a sense of what they deal with on a relatively constant basis to realize that claims like those are perfectly plausible.

    Most of us don't complain that we "find something hard to believe" and assert that subjective, emotional statement is an assertion of the world around us.

    Most of us don't assume that we know people whom we haven't met, and don't assert that we have knowledge of their motives.

    Most of us don't need creativity and imagination to have compassion, but you apparently do.


    If you're so firmly adamant that you're not a snowflake, why do you let your emotions rule your arguments?
  14. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    For most of us it just takes a modicum of compassion and an honest conversation with any of the women whom we love and love us to get a sense of what they deal with on a relatively constant basis to realize that claims like those are perfectly plausible.
    Those feminists got to you huh? Sorry bro.

    Most of us don't complain that we "find something hard to believe" and assert that subjective, emotional statement is an assertion of the world around us.
    Most of us know what "figures of speech" are.

    Most of us don't assume that we know people whom we haven't met, and don't assert that we have knowledge of their motives.
    If you're referring to Stormy, she's filed a lawsuit. Her motive is a matter of public record. The anti-Trump media didn't find that fit enough to print. You don't find that eyebrow raising?

    Most of us don't need creativity and imagination to have compassion, but you apparently do.
    I don't think you know what compassion means.

    If you're so firmly adamant that you're not a snowflake, why do you let your emotions rule your arguments?
    What emotion would that be?
  15. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If two people drink five pints then gets into a car, with one running a kid over and the other getting home safely, they both comitted the same offence, they both acted with the same degree of immorality. It's just one had a terrible outcome.
    That's right and it's bad luck. And I might have some empathy for the drunk driver who stupidly thought it couldn't happen to them, and eventually forgive them.

    The thing to me is the drunk driver who didn't have the bad outcome is just as guilty and just as much of a cunt. The fact that the degree of negativity of the outcome is probabilistic (not every drunk driving episode gives rise to a death but the p(death) goes up with each episode), doesn't to me change the immorality of the act itself. It's kinda like saying 'eating asbestos sandwiches increases your risk of cancer, but if you don't end up with cancer, it wasn't foolish to do it'.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Again, sure. But we're not talking about defamation, or at least I'm not. I'm talking about exploitation of victims.
    I'm not sure I go along with this use of the word 'exploitation' though. My sense is exploitation is a zero sum game where the exploiter A benefits while the exploitee B loses out. If B (the victim of s.a.) gets justice and A (the politician) benefits by winning an election, how is there exploitation going on?

    Maybe I would accept the word 'capitalising on' over 'exploiting'. In that case I don't think the politician is doing anything wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Those feminists got to you huh?
    IDK what this means.
    What does this mean?

    If you're suggesting that I'm arguing in favor of entitlement for women, then no, "those feminists" haven't "gotten to me."

    What I advocated for is to listen to the women you love and whom love you when they speak about the way they're treated in public, and to relate those stories to the ones you're getting all bent out of shape over. I opine that if you have women which fit this description in your life, whom aren't unwilling to talk to you on this topic because your attitude is prohibitive, that you will find they deal with a general constant background hum of sexual attention. As such, the complaints that are on the level of the metoo movement are at least plausible, not certainly true or untrue, but plausible.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Sorry bro.
    Your sarcasm isn't lost on me, so I assume that whatever the above means, you think it's bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    What emotion would that be?
    Incredulity, melodrama, defensiveness, moral superiority, outrage, condescension, smugness, etc.

    Pick from the many you regularly espouse and see how quickly you deny each of them:
    If it takes more than 0.01 s, you are clearly off your game and need a healthy snack.


    It's kind of a thing you do that people speak to you as if you're a reasonable adult, but you respond as though they're attacking you.
    Is the fact that this betrays insecurity completely lost on you?
    Are you preparing to insult me or anyone else who agrees with this analysis?
    Congrats, you've proven the point.
  17. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    you will find they deal with a general constant background hum of sexual attention.
    Men don't? Well.....maybe physicists don't.

    Furthermore, just turn on the TV. Pick any show, on any station. Take a look at how men are portrayed. Most of them are pot-bellied, couch-ridden, nincompoops, whose only purpose seems to be to give their wives a reason to complain. And most of the fit, powerful, adept men on television are cold, evil, exploitative bad guys.

    Women don't have a monopoly on sexism.

    As such, the complaints that are on the level of the metoo movement are at least plausible, not certainly true or untrue, but plausible.
    Does nearly 4 out of 5 women being victimized....to the point the man should face consequences....sound plausible to you?

    Your sarcasm isn't lost on me, so I assume that whatever the above means, you think it's bad.
    It means you've fallen for the shameful double standard espoused by feminists. On one hand, women in their 20's don't have the maturity, fortitude, and strength to decline polite advances. On the other hand they want to be respected as equals. Enjoy chasing your tail on that one.

    Incredulity, melodrama, defensiveness, moral superiority, outrage, condescension, smugness, etc
    Those are emotions?

    It's kind of a thing you do that people speak to you as if you're a reasonable adult, but you respond as though they're attacking you.
    Are you really suggesting that every one of your responses to my posts over...oh let's say the last 48 hours...was not an attack?
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  18. #93
    If I may interject...


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Men don't?

    notsureifsrs.jpg

    Women are generally much more subtle about showing sexual interest than men, to the point where your question seems disingenuous.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Does nearly 4 out of 5 women being victimized....to the point the man should face consequences....sound plausible to you?
    He's pretty much answered this question, albeit not to the point about 'facing consequences', whatever that may be. Is the suggestion that a man yelling 'nice tits!' to a woman he drives by on the street should be reported to police for prosecution? If that were the case, a lot of women would be spending half their lives filing police reports.
  19. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Women are generally much more subtle about showing sexual interest than men, to the point where your question seems disingenuous.
    do they not have women where you live?
  20. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Is the suggestion that a man yelling 'nice tits!' to a woman he drives by on the street should be reported to police for prosecution?
    No, the NY Times survey that I linked used the word "harassment". MMM has been quite emphatic on this board that the word "harassment" requires a pattern of multiple events. A drive by catcall wouldn't count.
  21. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Women are generally much more subtle about showing sexual interest than men, to the point where your question seems disingenuous.
    How many women wear high heels??

    Do you know why women wear high heels?
  22. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    do they not have women where you live?
    Yes they do.
  23. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No, the NY Times survey that I linked used the word "harassment". MMM has been quite emphatic on this board that the word "harassment" requires a pattern of multiple events. A drive by catcall wouldn't count.
    Such a word is open to interpretation. I can see some women considering a driveby catcall harassment.
  24. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How many women wear high heels??


    Quite a few.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Do you know why women wear high heels?
    To appear more attractive. That's however not identical to direct comments to the effect of 'i would fuck you right now if i could' that men are more likely to make than women.


    It's kind of like I'm arguing with a six-year-old right now, to be honest.

    Do you have an actual point to make that has some merit to it?
  25. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Quite a few.......To appear more attractive. That's however not identical to direct comments to the effect of 'i would fuck you right now if i could' that men are more likely to make than women.
    You really should have this out with MMM, it was his phrasing that started this. But I don't think that a single vulgar catcall is what he meant by "background hum of sexual attention"

    Do you have an actual point to make that has some merit to it?
    My point is that maybe men are NOT solely responsible for this "background hum of sexual attention". High heels are considered attractive for biolgical and physiological reasons. Not aesthetics. The same goes for seductive eye-make up, push up bras, and duck lips (pick any random chick from your list of facebook friends and check out what % of her selfies contain duck-lips).

    When men see high heels, it triggers instinctual physiological responses. It makes the legs look longer. It makes butts stick out. It changes the angle of the vagina in a way that makes it easier to enter. That kind of "presentation" arouses feelings within men, even though they may not be exactly conscious of these feelings. Lipstick isn't just about color coordination. It's to make lips look larger, more supple, softer or whatever (I'm not a make-up expert). That has an effect on men.

    So if women are going to choose to present themselves as sexually appetizing, then they really shouldn't be offended by lingering looks, rubber-necking, wandering eyes, or what men say about them when they aren't around. If that's a problem, wear slacks and tennis shoes. Easy game.

    Another thing that isn't men's fault.....is the massive volume of women who encourage this kind of positive male attention and use it to their advantage.
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  26. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Another thing that isn't men's fault.....is the massive volume of women who encourage this kind of positive male attention and use it to their advantage.
    I don't think fault explains what's going on. If women don't doll up, men tend to not care about them as much. So, women are in a damned if do damned if don't type of situation.

    But that's NORMAL. Men are in the same kind of situation, just with different details. A solution to this issue might be in acting like adults and realizing that there are deep dynamics at play and that denying the natural mode of things is a bad idea.

    I like something Jordan Peterson recently said. When asked how long it takes for society to figure out the rules of engagement between men and women working together in the workforce, he responded "more than 40 years". Insightful.
  27. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    But that's NORMAL. Men are in the same kind of situation, just with different details. A solution to this issue might be in acting like adults and realizing that there are deep dynamics at play and that denying the natural mode of things is a bad idea.
    Amen

    I like something Jordan Peterson recently said. When asked how long it takes for society to figure out the rules of engagement between men and women working together in the workforce, he responded "more than 40 years". Insightful.
    JP is gonna be on Tucker tonight. Tuck is doing a weekly series during the month of March on the state of men in America. Should be a good watch.
  28. #103
    JP:

    "Male behavior is often diagnosed as Attention Deficit Disorder"
    When is he running for President?
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  29. #104
    JP [Paraphrased]: if your kid is in a class that talks about inclusivity, diversity, white privilege, systemic racism, etc etc...pull your kid out of the class.

    Tucker: I agree, but you might run out of schools

    JP: THAT WOULD BE JUST FINE!!


    Dude has my vote.
  30. #105
    If you're a man who hasn't figured out the difference between a woman wanting to look attractive in general and a woman who wants to look attractive because she wants to have sex with YOU specifically, then sorry but you are not very bright.
  31. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    If you're a man who hasn't figured out the difference between a woman wanting to look attractive in general and a woman who wants to look attractive because she wants to have sex with YOU specifically, then sorry but you are not very bright.
    That's either a wild misinterpretation, or a gross mischaracterization of what I said. possibly both
  32. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    That's either a wild misinterpretation, or a gross mischaracterization of what I said. possibly both
    I did not quote you in my post sir.
  33. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I did not quote you in my post sir.
    Why not just say you were wrong rather than embarrass yourself with this pathetically narrow defense

    But getting back to what you said....if you think there is a difference between a woman wanting to look attractive in general, and a woman who wants to look sexually appetizing to men, then you are not very bright.
  34. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Why not just say you were wrong rather than embarrass yourself with this pathetically narrow defense
    There's nothing to defend because I wasn't quoting you.

    If you choose to behave as if everyone on this forum is responding solely to your largely inane comments, that's your problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    if you think there is a difference between a woman wanting to look attractive in general, and a woman who wants to look sexually appetizing to men, then you are not very bright.
    Ya good thanks for the tip.
  35. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    There's nothing to defend because I wasn't quoting you.

    If you choose to behave as if everyone on this forum is responding solely to your largely inane comments, that's your problem
    sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Men don't? Well.....maybe physicists don't.
    Ha. Good one.

    Men don't receive the same kind of attention from random, unfamiliar women as women get from men.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Does nearly 4 out of 5 women being victimized....to the point the man should face consequences....sound plausible to you?
    You've added the phrase about consequences, which is completely off topic.
    The topic isn't whether anyone should be punished, the topic is whether women posting metoo are inherently deceiving in their claims.
    My point is these claims of unwanted conduct are plausible, not that anyone should be punished.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Those are emotions?
    Yes, those are emotions.
    Well, melodrama should have been melodramatic.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Are you really suggesting that every one of your responses to my posts over...oh let's say the last 48 hours...was not an attack?
    I'm suggesting that I haven't ever attacked you, in the past million hours.
    Disagreeing with your boneheaded ideas is not an attack.
    Treating you with the open rudeness you treat us isn't an attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    That's either a wild misinterpretation, or a gross mischaracterization of what I said. possibly both
    Guilty conscience, much?
  38. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Guilty conscience, much?
    wut??
  39. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Men don't receive the same kind of attention from random, unfamiliar women as women get from men.
    Myth

    You've added the phrase about consequences, which is completely off topic.
    The topic isn't whether anyone should be punished, the topic is whether women posting metoo are inherently deceiving in their claims.
    My point is these claims of unwanted conduct are plausible, not that anyone should be punished
    .

    Jeezus man you are so bent on discrediting me that you've spun yourself into a frenzy of insanity.

    The topic, is in reference to the NYT survey that I posted claiming that 77% of women have experienced harassment. Such a claim implies a desire for the harasser to endure consequences. Otherwise you're saying that there is such a thing as "acceptable harassment".

    Ask some women that you work with how they feel about that.
  40. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If she's not after notoriety now, what could her motive possibly be?

    She already got paid. She already got laid. Why else to people bother to get up in the morning?
    Who was saying that Stormy isn't just trying to promote herself??

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ith-trump.html

    The name of her tour is "Make America Horny Again"
  41. #116
    Men don't receive the same kind of attention from random, unfamiliar women as women get from men.
    Do you know why this is? You're a man of science, there's a sciency reason for it.
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  42. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Myth.
    Dude cmon. Of course women give men attention, but you can't seriously think that it's the same kind of attention, and to the same degree.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  43. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Do you know why this is? You're a man of science, there's a sciency reason for it.
    Women can only have one kid at a time, and it's a big ordeal for them to get that kid. A man can have lots of kids and it's a lot of fun for him to get them.

    So to put it glibly, women nest, men hunt. Men wander around in the hope some woman will have sex with them. Women wander around in the hope some man will hang around after sex and help look after the kid. Evolutionarily speaking and broadly speaking that is.
  44. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Dude cmon. Of course women give men attention, but you can't seriously think that it's the same kind of attention, and to the same degree.
    It's much easier to lower your expectations than to hold him to sensible ones.
  45. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Dude cmon. Of course women give men attention, but you can't seriously think that it's the same kind of attention, and to the same degree.
    Here we go with "kinds of attention" and "degrees". It's tiresome, and frankly, intellectually lazy. You're taking something you don't understand, slicing it down to one tiny fraction that you do understand, and then using that as your argument.

    The simple fact is that women and men contribute equally to the "background hum of sexual attention". Just because men and women's specific contributions differ at times doesn't mean that they aren't equally objectifying or equally toxic.

    You seem to have been indoctrinated by the "men are oppressors" and "women are victims of the social patriarchy" feminist bullshit that pervades our society and media.

    Resist.
  46. #121
    You seem to have been indoctrinated by the "men are oppressors" and "women are victims of the social patriarchy" feminist bullshit that pervades our society and media.
    Wrong. I just understand that men have higher levels of testosterone.
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  47. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I just understand that men have higher levels of testosterone.
    So?
  48. #123
    So... that's why men are bigger dicks than women when it comes to stuff like sexual harassment. It's like why people who drink ten pints are more drunk than people who drink five.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
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  49. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    So... that's why men are bigger dicks than women when it comes to stuff like sexual harassment.
    How in the wide wide world of sports did you get that idea???

    You are up to your neck in feminist indoctrination, so I'm not hopeful that I can change your mind. But please try to understand that:

    1) The behaviors your describing as "harassment" aren't harassment
    2) Women do plenty to encourage these bahaviors
    3) Plenty of women unapologetically leverage sexuality to manipulate men and/or to advance their own interests (ie. they act like big dicks)

    I really could go on and on. Look at the issue of rape on college campuses. There are TONS of stories that just don't smell right. Girls regret relations they've had and make outrageous claims of victimization. Men in these cases are deprived of legal representation, the right to face their accusers, or any kind of viable appeals process.

    The point is, that women have plenty of power. More than men in the vast majority of cases. Men are getting destroyed in western societies. Absolutely destroyed. And women/feminism have a lot to do with it.

    Villainizing men for behaviors that are inherently in their nature is just wrong. That's not a matter of interpretation. That's not a matter of opinion. It's just WRONG. A handful of bad actors are used as representative examples of an entire gender. There are billions of men, all pumping testosterone through their bodies that don't harass or abuse women.
  50. #125
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    If you're a man who hasn't figured out the difference between a woman wanting to look attractive in general and a woman who wants to look attractive because she wants to have sex with YOU specifically, then sorry but you are not very bright.
    Lots of people are not that bright.

    Some people are quite bright and still misinterpret the cues.
  51. #126
    1) The behaviors your describing as "harassment" aren't harassment
    2) Women do plenty to encourage these bahaviors
    3) Plenty of women unapologetically leverage sexuality to manipulate men and/or to advance their own interests (ie. they act like big dicks)
    1) Granted, but note the use of the word "like"... I'm referring to any behaviour which could be considered inapprorpriate, such as unwelcome advances, wolf whistling etc.
    2) Yes they do.
    3) Yes they do.

    But if you're trying to convince me they are on a par with men, you're failing. Women are more manipulative than men, I'll concede that much. But it's not particularly "unwelcome" from the man's pov, is it?

    On average, men are more pushy, disgusting, assertive... basically more driven by sexual urges than women are. That's testosterone, and that's what drives people's behaviour when it comes to these matters.
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    To further demonstrate...

    Lets ask an imaginary poll to married couples...
    Q - who has the stronger sex drive? Him or her?

    It's gonna be well over 50% saying "him".
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  53. #128
    You are up to your neck in feminist indoctrination, so I'm not hopeful that I can change your mind. But please try to understand that:
    This isn't true, by the way. It's simply your default assumption to anyone who disagrees with you on this matter.

    I don't blame men for being driven by their libido. I don't think men need to be shamed, nor do they need to change their behaviour (assuming it's legal at least). So no, I'm not neck deep in feminism.
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  54. #129
    Nothing you've said suggests why women should be wary of men more than men are wary of women.

    youre just feeding the feminist myth
  55. #130
    "wary" is pretty subjective.

    We were talking about types of attention. What kind of attention do men need to be wary about? A hormone-filled baby maker looking for a mug? A gold-digger who'll suck your cock every day if you give her a monthly allowance? What about women? What are they wary about?

    It's a completely different kind of "wary".
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    I'd say it's slightly less likely that a man needs to be wary of groping, sexual assault or not getting a job for refusing to give head.

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  57. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    "wary" is pretty subjective.....It's a completely different kind of "wary".
    Is this what we do now? Every response is "well....let me pick a word, and either choose the narrowest definition possible to support my own argument. Or suggest that it's definition is so broad that it can't support my opponent's argument".

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  58. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    I'd say it's slightly less likely that a man needs to be wary of groping, sexual assault or not getting a job for refusing to give head.
    So what if that's true? Are those the ONLY things a person could possibly be wary of? There are all kinds of ways a woman can hurt a man, not the least of which is the power to accuse. Plenty of men are totally destroyed by false allegations of misconduct. Another example is divorces. Men overwhelmingly get the short end of the deal in those things.

    The point is, humans have tons of reason to be wary of other humans.

    I'm content to leave it at that. But if any of you wanna go down a gender vs gender rabbit hole you should know, right now, that the ultimate conclusion of that debate is that men are by far the more vulnerable sex. And it's not even close.

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  59. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Is this what we do now? Every response is "well....let me pick a word, and either choose the narrowest definition possible to support my own argument. Or suggest that it's definition is so broad that it can't support my opponent's argument".

    Be smarter
    Smart like you? I like how you didn't answer the questions in my post and instead focussed on my complaint that "wary" is far too subjective.

    Here's those questions again...

    What kind of attention do men need to be wary about?
    What about women?
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    Here's those questions again...
    I believe I answered those questions and more in Post #133
  61. #136
    I think people really need to reflect on the glaring irony of feminism.

    Any psychologist will tell you that nearly all rapists and sexual abusers are weak, cowardly, beta-types.

    So feminism proclaims to denounce masculinity as toxic, while seeming to ignore that the greatest threats to women come from the least masculine men.
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    All your arguments have nothing to say about the metoo movement's claims being unsound, only that you are treated the same and you weren't invited to their party.
    I.e. that you're equally victimized as a man and don't want to join a woman's party.
    There's the irony.

    Boohoo, little snowflake.
  63. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I believe I answered those questions and more in Post #133
    Well it wasn't addressed t me so I didn't bother to read it.

    False accusation, yes that's a good one. Divorces? Weak. Not remotely comparable. Yes men get screwed over more than women here, but this is the system, not the woman. She's taking advanatge of legal avenues to screw the man over. It's a murky world but I don't believe it has a place in this discussion. I already covered that vaguely with "gold diggers".

    So... false accusations... this is where women really have power over men that is on a par to what I'm talking about. Do you suppose this is happening as much as genuine accusations?
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  64. #139
    If divorce is a part of this discussion, so is domestic violence.
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  65. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    All your arguments have nothing to say about the metoo movement's claims being unsound,
    See post #61

    only that you are treated the same and you weren't invited to their party.
    I.e. that you're equally victimized as a man and don't want to join a woman's party.
    There's the irony.
    Your analogy is so glib and off-topic that it's only worth responding for the purpose of pointing out that "not invited" and "don't want to join" are not the same thing.

    It should be abundantly clear to you that men are the more vulnerable sex, and are victims in many many ways. If you insist on describing that as "treated the same", I would say that you're hopelessly lost and up to your eyeballs in feminist indoctrination. It's sort of pointless to argue about that since Im willing to lie, and concede that we can call it "the same". Once we get to the point where the problems are "equal", then the solutions become the responsibility of the individual and not a group claiming to be the victim of inequality.

    That actually sounds like a very non-snowflake-y position. It would be extremely hypocritical of me to constantly denounce identity politics and claims of victim-hood, but then turn around and play the same game when it suits my gender.

    Rejecting the feminist agenda is really only part of the solution for men. The rest of the solution involves men starting to act like men, and to stop apologizing for it.

    Boohoo, little snowflake.
    I really hope you don't have a son.
  66. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Do you suppose this is happening as much as genuine accusations?
    No. I actually think the false accusations are more prevalent than legitimate ones. But as I explained to MMM, I'm willing to just lie here and concede that they're equal, since that equilibrium is where identity politics and group victimization end.

    But even if it's not, the outcomes are not even close to comparable. Here's an example

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...agues-say.html

    Four people felt 'icky' for about three seconds. Huggybear has a blemish on his record forever. Other men aren't so lucky, and their careers/reputations are destroyed entirely.

    Its like if we played heads up poker for a ten hands with 100BB stacks.. The first 9 times, I raised, you folded, and lost your blinds. Then on the tenth hand we get it all in and you win.

    In the end you'll have about 9x as many chips as I do, so it would be really shitty of you to go around complaining about how you were bullied, harassed, or abused during the first nine hands.

    Some quotes from the article:
    State Sen. Bob Hertzberg, D-Van Nuys, was the subject of a state Senate report released Thursday that details rampant sexual harassment in the Capitol in Sacramento
    ^ That's gonna come up every time someone google's the guy

    [Investigators]noted they could not find evidence that the unwanted hugs continued after she asked to stop.
    So a woman stood up for herself and protected her personal space. She clearly communicated her terms, and they were respected. That's really all anyone has to do. I have a major problem with labeling someone a 'victim' when they fail to do this.
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  67. #142
    Right. Well that there is everything that's wrong with the metoo movement. It's encouraging complaints of this nature.

    I don't think you're right at all, I don't believe false accuastions outnumber genuine ones at all. However, I can see that changing under the current climate.

    Rejecting the feminist agenda is really only part of the solution for men. The rest of the solution involves men starting to act like men, and to stop apologizing for it.
    And I agree with you here.

    But I still feel that men are bigger assholes, on average. Testosterone. It makes me do weird things, such as watch porn. Ok, not that weird, but are women watching porn because they have what is essentially a drug coursing through their veins? Not nearly to the same degree.

    When women are assholes, it's because they're being manipulative cunts, it's got nothing to do with hormones. Well, except the baby makers. That's all hormones.
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  68. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    But I still feel that men are bigger assholes, on average. Testosterone.
    Men are more assertive, and women are more agreeable. That's just biology. How are you construing that into a social problem if you aren't firmly indoctrinated into the feminist agenda??

    As I said, there are literally billions of men walking the earth right now, with testosterone pumping through their bodies that aren't doing anything to hurt women. By blaming testosterone for the offenses of a handful of bad actors, you've applied sinister motivations to an entire group of people (men). That's the definition of sexism!!
  69. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't think you're right at all, I don't believe false accuastions outnumber genuine ones at all. However, I can see that changing under the current climate.
    It's a moot argument. Even if you're right, 10 men with pellet guns is no match for 1 woman with a bazooka.
  70. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Men are more assertive, and women are more agreeable. That's just biology. How are you construing that into a social problem if you aren't firmly indoctrinated into the feminist agenda??

    As I said, there are literally billions of men walking the earth right now, with testosterone pumping through their bodies that aren't doing anything to hurt women. By blaming testosterone for the offenses of a handful of bad actors, you've applied sinister motivations to an entire group of people (men). That's the definition of sexism!!
    I don't think I said it was a social problem. I think I was outraged about it being a social problem when it's just biology.

    Billions of men do indeed have testosterone pumping through their veins. And billions of men have behaved in ways that *could* be considered a little murky. I know I have. Have you? Has mojo? I'm not talking about illegal or clearly immoral shit, but maybe getting drunk and making a fool of yourself trying it on with someone who is clearly not interested, failing to pick up on the obvious body language. Or maybe catching a glimpse of a female friend getting undressed, and taking a longer look than one should've. Do I suppose any of my female friends have watched me get undressed? Here's the thing... I'd probably like it if they did, even if I wasn't interested in her. There's another difference... when it comes to sexual advances, men don't care so much about unwanted attention as women do.

    I'm not "blaming" tesosterone. Again, you seem to think I'm assigning blame. If I'm a dick because I took a shit load of cocaine, do you blame the coke? No you blame me. Well, what if that shit is in me naturally? You blame biology, which isn't really blame, it's acknowledgement of the root cause of odd male behaviour.
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  71. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    It's a moot argument. Even if you're right, 10 men with pellet guns is no match for 1 woman with a bazooka.
    Huggy bear is a pellet gun. Harvey Fuckstein is a bazooka. Men and women alike are armed with all sorts of weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    See post #61
    Unless I misread that post, you're not saying those women's claims are wrong (unsound), only that the consequences to the men in those situations was unfair. I.e. that there was nothing wrong with what the men did, and nothing wrong with the woman sharing the story of what happened, but that society's reaction to that is messed up.

    So my point remains that you aren't mad about women making up lies. You're mad that society views this as acceptable. You're mad that you feel vilified by society for "being a man."

    The irony is that is exactly what the metoo movement is about, and you're railing that it's somehow in opposition to your freedom to be a man. You're letting the conversation be about women against men, and not about decent people against harassers. That's on you. If it's really about decent people against harassers, then choose your words to characterize your position as such. Leaving it as women vs. men just paints you to be an idiot who sounds like he's trying to defend the rights of harassers to harass.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Your analogy is so glib and off-topic that it's only worth responding for the purpose of pointing out that "not invited" and "don't want to join" are not the same thing.
    See above. The group seems to represent your exact viewpoint, but you vilify the group while continuing to hold your view.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    It should be abundantly clear to you that men are the more vulnerable sex, and are victims in many many ways.
    Waaaah, waaaah. I am a victim because of my penis! Waaah waaaah!


    ... and you have the hubris to talk about "real men."
    adorable

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    That actually sounds like a very non-snowflake-y position. It would be extremely hypocritical of me to constantly denounce identity politics and claims of victim-hood, but then turn around and play the same game when it suits my gender.
    You literally just argued that you are a victim because you are a man. What could possibly be more snowflakey?

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Rejecting the feminist agenda is really only part of the solution for men. The rest of the solution involves men starting to act like men, and to stop apologizing for it.
    IDK what subjective nonsense you have to think to assert that anything a man does is somehow "not acting like a man."
    People who do things which offend you exist, and that doesn't make them any less human than you.

    You're buying into the social BS that you rail against by attacking men for being men. You are just another wind-bag on the wrong side of the line if you think YOU can decide what is manly for other men.

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    I really hope you don't have a son.
    It's actaully sweet of you to care about the well-being of my family, even if you meant it as an insult to my manhood, while simultaneously crying about the victimization of men.

    Funny, but that's something spoony used to do, too. Go on and on and on about how men are shat upon by our society, then emasculate anyone who disagrees with him.
    The exposure of hypocrisy couldn't be more plain.
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  73. #148
    The irony is that is exactly what the metoo movement is about
    You're wrong. It's about getting men to change their behaviour.
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    Who wants to start the Official crying about losing white male privilege thread?
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    Who wants to start the Official crying about losing white male privilege thread?
    spoon probably already covered it in detail.
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