Time to have fun

[LeFou]

The Commune is looking like southern Lebanon with all the ruination. We need a few useful people to put up a couple dozen new topics so that the stupid #$%^ falls off the page.

Here's mine:

I'm kinda getting into this Nina Planck-style diet where you basically never eat processed foods, synthetic crap, and so on. Apparently she says eat all the meats and fats and carbs you want as long as they haven't been through machines that #$%^ up their nutritional value (and their flavor).

[a500lbgorilla]

any diet that says "eat all you want" will fail.

Fat people are fat becuase eating all they want is way too damn much. I know, becuase I am a fat person who eats too damn much.

When i was being successful on a diet, i had no appetite for food becuase it would ruin what i had accomplished that day. But every time I slipped, I gained an appetite for more and eventually just fell off the wagon.

For a diet to work, you need to be disciplined enough to only consume a set number of calories a day.

[Pelion]

Fish eat too loose?

[Warpe]

Diets are fun?

Eat less, exercise more. 'nuff said.

[LeFou]

Oh, I should've explained: it's not a losing-weight diet, it's just a general-purpose nutritional guideline for being-healthy.

[jyms]

wrong, wrong, wrong, the clown is on the right track. It's the processing that's causing alot of the health and obesity problems. Never minding the calorie in calorie out theory, it was never proven anyway. Your body is in a complete vitamin and protien difficiency because of the processing and genetic manufacturing. Your in a starvation mode 24/7 because of a lack of essential fats, minerals and phytochemicals. Most people over eat the wrong foods knowing they are wrong because of mental issues. I.E: comfort, childhood trauma, depression and/or fear. Food is the trigger for relief and was taught at an early age.( poor baby is upset, here's a cookie.) I can go on all day with this so I'll stop here.

P.S. Your not hungry your thirsty. Stop drinking water with chlorine, flouride and heavy metals, your tap water is a major problem.

Wanna here about fructose?

[LeFou]

do you say "fructose" with a short "u"? I love that.

[Warpe]

Wanna here about fructose?

I'm all eres.

[thenonsequitur]

I vaguely touched on this in another thread, but when I got really sick a while back, I managed to fix it by changing my diet. And the diet changes went way being removing the sickness. I am also generally just far healthier than I have been in a long time, and my immune system is really good now. My diet alone has helped a lot even though I no longer work out (I should stop being lazy and get back on that), and now I only get exercise from walking places and carrying groceries and occasinally furniture. Anyway, basically I made the following changes:


* Stopped eating cheese. This was probably the toughest thing to do, but after a couple weeks I forgot, and now I don't really like the taste for it anymore.

* Only have milk or cream in coffee, and only a little (e.g. no ice cream, nix on many bakery products, etc...). Occasional use wouldn't be a problem, but I've lost my taste for cream, and I never liked milk or digested it well.

* Stopped eating highly processed food and foods with lots of chemicals I can't pronounce.

* Stopped eating non-organic vegetables.

* Started taking regular vitamin supplements.

* Started eating less saturated fat.

* Started eating a LOT more fiber-rich foods and fewer other foods.

* Started filtering my tap water before drinking it.

* Cut back on wheat products.

* Cut back on soy products.


It was actually a lot easier to make all these diet changes than it sounds, and it doesn't take as much disciple as you'd thing, it's mostly just alteration of bad habits and only takes a few weeks to change.

[LeFou]

* Started eating less saturated fat.

I assume you know this, but if you replace the saturated fats with trans fats you're doing more harm than good. e.g. the whole margarine-healthier-than-butter gestalt turn out to be horseshit.

[thenonsequitur]

I assume you know this, but if you replace the saturated fats with trans fats you're doing more harm than good. e.g. the whole margarine-healthier-than-butter gestalt turn out to be horseshit.

Oh yeah, definitely. I cut out trans fat way before any of the rest of the changes. That was something I did before I started actually eating healthy.

[a500lbgorilla]

list some fiber-high foods and foods you found were low in saturated fats plz?

[mb2447]

what's wrong with wheat and soy? Unless you have difficulty digesting those, I can't see why they're something to avoid.

[LeFou]

list some fiber-high foods and foods you found were low in saturated fats plz?

Examples of common unsaturated fats are palmitoleic acid, oleic acid, linoleic acid, and arachidonic acid. Foods containing unsaturated fats include avocado, nuts, and soybean, canola, and olive oils. Meat products contain both saturated and unsaturated fats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat

Fibrous foods that come to mind immedialy are (obviously) the grainy and bran-y cereals. Also apples and grapes/raisins...

[a500lbgorilla]

shit, i eat meats and olive-oiled pastas constantly.

[swiggidy]

Sounds like you're on the right track.

I like to tell people that diet is a noun, not a verb. It's something you have, not something you do.

[pantherhound]

What did everyone eat today.

1. Lunch: Bread, delicious paté from M&S, potato salad.
tea, pint 4 sugars
tomato juice with enough tabasco to make it transcend it's sissy drink status.

3. evening meal: Salmon fillet, rice, courgettes, butter, green beans
Biscuits

I kind of need to put on weight. I figure slumping around all day in front of my computer should help, but it's not working. I have also been yogging a little, which I also shouldn't do.

[a500lbgorilla]

Breakfast : bowl of raisin crunch w/milk

lunch: left-over pasta (over-ate)

snack : banana

dinner : dunno.

[flomo]

What did everyone eat today.

1. Lunch: Bread, delicious paté from M&S, potato salad.
tea, pint 4 sugars
tomato juice with enough tabasco to make it transcend it's sissy drink status.

3. evening meal: Salmon fillet, rice, courgettes, butter, green beans
Biscuits

I kind of need to put on weight. I figure slumping around all day in front of my computer should help, but it's not working. I have also been yogging a little, which I also shouldn't do.

the pate is good if it is made out of some animals fatty liver and put booze in the tomato juice
also try deep frying everything, beer and cigarettes to get fat
i have the proof that this diet works

[swiggidy]

Breakfast: 1/4 lb of bacon, 3 eggs
Lunch: 2, 1/4 lb turkey (or chicken) sandwiches with meat from the deli
Dinner: Pasta, chicken and potatoes, order out

[Miffed22001]

im fat

[LeFou]

bad, bad swiggidy. Not a vegetable or fruit in there...
Rule of thumb that can help you eat better instantly:
ALL meals should have
vegetables or fruits
AND EITHER
meat
OR
starch/bread
BUT NOT BOTH

Moi:
Breakfast: coffee and OJ
Lunch: Caprese (= tomato, mozarella, basil, and olive oil), a bit of turkey sausage.
Dinner: prolly veggie stir-fry with rice.

[thenonsequitur]

banana

[Miffed22001]

i like coffee, and soft drinks and chocolate and bread and prizza and anything else that aint so good for me.

The bad bit is, i actually eat ok but exercise like a bitch so i stay fit.
diets only work if your lifestye matches it. You can eat nothing all day and never exercise and you still arent going to be in good health or look that good for that matter.

look at J-lo. Shes not my fav girl, but she looks darn good and what you see is what you get, she works out to olympic standards.
hot.

[Lukie]

eat a lot of small, high protein meals throughout the day, and drink a lot of water. Problem solved.

Although I don't, you should definately avoid processed foods. Some are far worse then others, though.

[swiggidy]

bad, bad swiggidy. Not a vegetable or fruit in there...
Rule of thumb that can help you eat better instantly:

Ya, I really don't like vegetables. I used to eat two pieces of fruit wiht lunch everyday but the fruit gets all f-d up in my backpack so I stopped. I put mushrooms in my pasta .

I got the processed foods and fast food and soda out, so I consider it a good start.

Plus I'm really active. I play ultimate frisbee 3 times a week for 2+hrs a time and lift weights the other days. I bike to work, walk everywhere else.

[jukejointroach]

I play ultimate frisbee 3 times a week for 2+hrs a time

seriously, you can eat whatever you want.

[jyms]

what's wrong with wheat and soy? Unless you have difficulty digesting those, I can't see why they're something to avoid.

Short answer, most wheat is over processed and 1/3 of the western world has a mild/moderate allergy that causes everything from gastrointestinal upset, skin conditions and believe it or not, weight gain, to name a few. As for soy, double blind placebo testing has found soy @ 60 grams a day in mature men can cause conversion of some precursers that are responsible for free and binding testosterone to estrogen instead. Most Soy products are also an incomplete protein with far to little of some needed amino acids. Unless you use unprocessed or an Isolate powder.

[LeFou]

You're saying real men don't eat tofu?

[jyms]

Absolutely NOT. LeFou?? Did this diet of yours turn you off pork as well. Anyone trying to eat clean and rid the the body of toxins should start with processed foods, tap water and pork for starters. Are you heating the foods and cooking or are you going extreem and doing the whole raw foods thing? Glad to hear ya mention the margerine thing, Ive been preaching that for years.

[Miffed22001]

real men do spot and exercise therefore having no need to bother about the diet

This is why i can get blind drunk after a sports match and never put on a pound (except when i tear my calf muscle )

[LeFou]

Are you heating the foods and cooking or are you going extreem and doing the whole raw foods thing?

I love cooking and couldn't ever stop. Pork was never a fave of mine anyway, but I can go for an occasional grilled chop from a reliable source. Here in Dallas we have Central Market, and their selection of organic meats is pretty good. Ostrich burger, anyone? (I'm not kidding.)

It'll probably be a long while before I go all the way to e.g. raw milk from local dairies. But I don't completely rule it out.

[PU$$Y]

COOKIN' FO HOES N' BUSTAS

[Greedo017]

wrong, wrong, wrong, the clown is on the right track. It's the processing that's causing alot of the health and obesity problems. Never minding the calorie in calorie out theory, it was never proven anyway. Your body is in a complete vitamin and protien difficiency because of the processing and genetic manufacturing. Your in a starvation mode 24/7 because of a lack of essential fats, minerals and phytochemicals. Most people over eat the wrong foods knowing they are wrong because of mental issues. I.E: comfort, childhood trauma, depression and/or fear. Food is the trigger for relief and was taught at an early age.( poor baby is upset, here's a cookie.) I can go on all day with this so I'll stop here.

P.S. Your not hungry your thirsty. Stop drinking water with chlorine, flouride and heavy metals, your tap water is a major problem.

I wasn't going to comment in this thread, because only a little bit of it is wrong and there is a lot of good information here. but dear god, ignore this post.

[Yeliab]

LOL... Weeeeeeeeee finally Zodiac, Bailey and Muxy are gone!

Now LeFou can have FUN AGAIN discussing dieting because he has nothing better to do after he went BUSTO at 25NL.

How did FTR's fariswheel get a strike? Probably accidently used teeth during oral sex ... X had to punish her for that one. Gabe probably got his strike the same way.

Am I the only one that thinks its degrading to post a close up picture of yourself wearing a thong on a forum that consists of 99% males? Gee I wonder how she became a mod?

[flomo]

hi bailey
didn't take you long to get back on the board

[Greedo017]

LOL... Weeeeeeeeee finally Zodiac, Bailey and Muxy are gone!

Now LeFou can have FUN AGAIN discussing dieting because he has nothing better to do after he went BUSTO at 25NL.

How did FTR's fariswheel get a strike? Probably accidently used teeth during oral sex ... X had to punish her for that one. Gabe probably got his strike the same way.

Am I the only one that thinks its degrading to post a close up picture of yourself wearing a thong on a forum that consists of 99% males? Gee I wonder how she became a mod?

name creativity: C-

[Yeliab]

hi flomo

[flomo]

things are real exciting around here
we chat about eating fiber and drinking water

[jyms]

but dear god, ignore this post.

Care to explain.

[Greedo017]

but dear god, ignore this post.

Care to explain.

americans are a lot of things, deficient isn't one of them. people aren't thirsty, or lacking vital fats or proteins. they are fat because they stuff their fat faces with fat and fat products. sugar and salt also fit in that sentences. most people eat and overeat the wrong foods because they taste good as shit and give you a sugar rush which tends to make you more hungry, and this tendency to overeat gets passed down to future generations.

[jyms]

Greedo, come on, americans are not all like that. There are alot of people everyday struggling with losing weight. They are uneducated in food choices. They think the food they eat is the right food for the most part. I'm not talking about the 300 lb'er that drives to the corner store or eats at McD's eight days a week. I see people every day that cry when I explain to them what they are doing wrong. They feel betrayed. Eating what they think they are supposed to to lose weight like, Low fat rice cakes, egg whites, margerine, whole wheat bread, cereal with skim milk, fruit( yes fruit). I meet people all the time at the grocery store, after sending them in to shop. I make them fill their cart for the week. After i get there we go around the store and put back everything that is the wrong food choices for them to get healthy and lose weight. You would not believe what people think they need to eat to be healthy. One lady actually thought wonderbread was low in fat so it was ok. Another had a cart filled with food, all packaged "lowfat" foods. Not one veggie or protein. I have had people grab about 4 items and think that it is all they will eat for a week and wonder why they freak out and grab take out by wednesday after starving on bland foods with no nutritional value. I'm sorry this is a little long, I didn't want to let you think I pulled this out of my ass. I have worked with these people for 10 years.

[LeFou]

Sounds like you're really a trainer, and it's not just a clever name like "Shitty Beatles". I'm pretty-much on this tip: go to one of those restaurants that serves basically ass. Order something. Eat 1/3 of it. You're full, but for some reason you eat the rest of it anyway.

I think the biggest problem in American diet is probably doubling and tripling the size of everything.

[jyms]

Absolutely.But you can't jus ttell people to eat less, it doesn't work. They have to know how to reduce their food so that they don't get hypoglycemic. If you have been eating way to much sugar and fat and then cut your intake way down and keep eating the same foods you will just set yourself up for failure. Eating less of the same food is not going to help. People are not over eating lean protiens, high fibre vegetables and omega 3 and 6's. You will still be deficient in these things and binge when your body tells your mind you are hungry.Does anyone even know what is in the food they eat. I.E: calories(lol) fat, sodium, carbohydrates, nitrates or protien. I could tell someone to up their protien to 200 grams a day and cut their carbs to 200, make sure they get 35 to fifty grams of fibre and increase their omega and unsaturated fats till i'm blue in the face. Whats it mean to a 250lb mother of two with a job and no time on her hands. You cna't tell them to do better because americans (and canadians) have been lied to and fooled for 30 years about health and nutrition by the food industry (don't take me there, it's too warped even for some of the most conspiracy minded people.)

[LeFou]

Eric Schlosser fan, then?

[jyms]

Fast food Nation, one of many food books on what I'm talking about.

Just as a little aside. To put things in perspective. What your american government is doing now to poker it has successfully done to the health and bodybuilding industries. Basically by banning things that help people to be healthier and more fit in order to keep people down. They don't want you to make rational well thought out decisions. It's all about the money. Supplementation, Holistic and Naturapatich, chiropractic, and other health industries are being repressed in order to promote pharmacies, hospital care and people to big and too tired to think for themselves. But now instead of talking health we are getting into a whole new world. Let's stick to what we can change. Here's a thought, 3 egg yolks a day can lower cholesterol and blood fats. Higher Fat diets are healthier than the recommended food pyramid diets by 400 % for weight loss, blood fat, liver enzymes and kidney function.

[Rabid Dog]

A lot of America's problems with obesity come from the old days. Sit at the table, eat everything on your plate and your not getting up till its gone. Well at least thats how it was around my house. You ate everything on your plate or you didn't get up until you was done.

When my wife was pregnant with our son, we heard a doctor on the radio talking about obesity in America and how our children were doomed if we didn't change our way of thinking. We don't by nature love sweets, we are pretty much trained (no pun intended) to like sweets, by having them bought for us as children. This doctor said if you dont buy candy or shove candy at kids, they pretty much wont aquire a taste for it. Also as far as meals go, that if you let them eat till they are full, they will stop when they get full. Kids know when they are full, the problem is parents see their plate only half eaten and make them sit there and finish it, because thats how we was brought up. And thats why kids in America are obese, as well as adults.

My wife and I decided we wasnt doing the same thing with our son that our parents did with us as far as eating everything on you plate. We never bought him candy, although he's had plenty of chances to eat it over the years what with birthdays, halloween, or when he takes a trip to 7-11, he just doesnt care that much for it. He will eat ice cream, but stick a piece of cake in front of him and it'll be sitting there when you pick up the dishes. Same goes with food, when he's full he stops eating and goes about his business. He's a junior in highschool this year. When he was growing up, he would eat salads all the time. We would go out to eat, he would always have a salad. His choice, he loved them. He would fill up on salad and then only eat a couple bites of his main meal. He would rather eat at home than go out to eat or grab fast food. I never thought he was normal

[jyms]

it's all in how they are brought up. Plenty of kids will stop eating but are magically hungry 20 min's later and want some crap in the cupboard. With my family it was nothing except your dinner. If ya didn't eat it fine. it'll be in the fridge if you get hungry. None of this I'm not hungry what's for dessert.

[Miffed22001]

go exercise fattys, you sound like a bunch of women discussing diets

[Greedo017]

I think this is a better way to do it. I actually think you sound pretty educated on a lot of stuff, your first paragraph i just thought was way off. After that i generally agreed with everything you said, though I think what the government/food industry has told us has more or less been correct for years, its the newly formed health food revolution that is trying to leech money from us by feeding us misinformation and high priced supplements.

It's the processing that's causing alot of the health and obesity problems.

This is an overstatement. Processed foods are not the healthiest foods, but they are not really bad for you, you just need to eat a balanced diet, not 100% processed foods.

Never minding the calorie in calorie out theory, it was never proven anyway.

umm... it wasn't? Regardless, calorie in = calorie out.

Your body is in a complete vitamin and protien difficiency because of the processing and genetic manufacturing.

People get plenty of vitamins, and protein. Eating more vitamins, for the typical person, will do nothing. Eating more protein will probably have benefits, but more because you'll be eating less fat, and because protein tends to suppress your appetite, than that your body isn't getting the protein it needs to function, as it gets plenty.

Your in a starvation mode 24/7 because of a lack of essential fats, minerals and phytochemicals.

Poeple could get more phytochemicals if foods weren't processed. I don't know much about omega 3 and 6 fats, i'm guessing we'd get more of those too. the misnomer here is, phytochemicals and omega fats aren't essential. There are many essential nutrients, these aren't them. They're great for us, but you can live a perfectly healthy life without them.

Most people over eat the wrong foods knowing they are wrong because of mental issues. I.E: comfort, childhood trauma, depression and/or fear. Food is the trigger for relief and was taught at an early age.( poor baby is upset, here's a cookie.) I can go on all day with this so I'll stop here.

this is probably exaggerated, but probably has a lot of truth to it.

P.S. Your not hungry your thirsty. Stop drinking water with chlorine, flouride and heavy metals, your tap water is a major problem.

This is total bunk. the levels of those things in tap water are not bad for you. Even if you thought the levels were too high, and that they were bad for you, water is water, you wouldn't be thirsty, those things would cause problems other than thirst.

[jackvance]

go exercise fattys, you sound like a bunch of women discussing diets

[thenonsequitur]

go exercise fattys, you sound like a bunch of women discussing diets

Um, this discussion is not about weight at all. It's about health.

I'm not overweight, and I never have been, but I wasn't very healthy until I started eating well. In the past I used to work out but not eat very well, and I was less healthy than I am now, when I don't work out but do eat well. This is why I have the opinion (granted, biased) that a good diet is more important for well-being than exercise is. Although both are important, so I plan on starting up a work-out regimen again soon (and when I do this I plan on introducing a higher percentage of protein and generally more food into my diet).

[thenonsequitur]

Its the newly formed health food revolution that is trying to leech money from us by feeding us misinformation and high priced supplements.

I think you are confusing real health products with faux-health products. Not all so-called "alternative" health products are useless, and not all supplements are worthless and overpriced. The majority are, but there's valuable stuff in this market if you're willing to do the research to sift through it all.

But the real benefits of the promotion of health awareness is a more wide-spread understanding of nutrition and other topics related to health, not the marketable products that come out of it. And there's a difference between 1. the rising level of nutrional awareness based on real research and designed to promote health; and 2. disinformation and propoganda based on the desire for profit and targetting people who primarily want to lose weight (things that fall into this category would be "dieting", as verb rather than a noun, and the intense focus on certain things like fat and calories while ignoring everything else).

I think what the government/food industry has told us has more or less been correct for years

The government and the food industry have told us different (and sometimes contradictory) things, so this statement doesn't really make sense.

The food industry is just as profit-driven as health product companies so they have the same motivation to disinform.

But as far as the government goes, I also think you are confusing intention with results. I do believe that government is likely to be more well-intentioned than health product companies or the food industry (because the government agencies responsible for diseminating this information are less profit-driven). But a better intention doesn't mean they are getting it right (they aren't), and it doesn't mean they aren't soaking up some of the industry-created disinformation (they are).

Government-released information on a healthy diet (like the food pyramid, for example), is frequently incorrect, because it is based on a combination of poor research and incorrect information supplied by the food and health industries.

[biondino]

When i was being successful on a diet, i had no appetite for food becuase it would ruin what i had accomplished that day. But every time I slipped, I gained an appetite for more and eventually just fell off the wagon.

The truest thing ever said on this forum. I had a takeaway curry last night, figure out where I am in Rilla's spectrum. And I'm going on holiday tomorrow and will be getting my top off. Poor my friends.

[jyms]

I think this is a better way to do it. I actually think you sound pretty educated on a lot of stuff, your first paragraph i just thought was way off. After that i generally agreed with everything you said, though I think what the government/food industry has told us has more or less been correct for years its the newly formed health food revolution that is trying to leech money from us by feeding us misinformation and high priced supplements

. I don't know what you are basing this on unless you use the media as your source for information, because they tell the truth. Greedo this is not an attack but I just want to point out the flaws that exist in alot of peoples thinking. Governments would have you believe that natural products are the enemy because of one or two possible, albeit never proven, products may have been ingested when some high profile athlete has died. For example, MaHuang. They make it sound like some deadly drug that kills people, I got news for ya. It has been linked to 2 deaths in the last 10 years. You have any idea how many died from the pharmaceutical drug fen-phen, 10 of thousands, and more with heart defects. It's the government not making the money off
the supplement industry that is the problem. The drug companys have payed billions. Read Kevin Trudeau's Book or watch a movie called the Corporation

Trainer_jyms wrote:
It's the processing that's causing alot of the health and obesity problems

.

This is an overstatement. Processed foods are not the healthiest foods, but they are not really bad for you, you just need to eat a balanced diet, not 100% processed foods.

Processing and stripping away the nutrients in food and adding sugar and salt is exactly what is bad for you. MSG, nitrates and chemicals you can't pronounce are all part of the processing. For example, their is over 1000 listed items that are not approved for consumption that are allowed to be listed as "spices" in your food. Most should not be in their but the processing causes them to be included, like Heptane.

Trainer_jyms wrote:
Never minding the calorie in calorie out theory, it was never proven anyway.

umm... it wasn't? Regardless, calorie in = calorie out.

Actually this is in great debate at several Universities right now. The fact that any two people at the same weight, height, lifestyle and eating habits. with the exact same caloric intake can lose or gain different amounts of weight is proof enough. But their is also the thermogenisis of macronutrients that are not taken into account in this theory. How can someone that eats 2000 Cals a day in protien and fat lose 45% more fat weight and lose signifacantly less fat free mass ( infact muscle and bone increases) than somene that takes in the exact same calories in carbohydrate and fats.

Trainer_jyms wrote:
Your body is in a complete vitamin and protien difficiency because of the processing and genetic manufacturing.

People get plenty of vitamins, and protein. Eating more vitamins, for the typical person, will do nothing. Eating more protein will probably have benefits, but more because you'll be eating less fat, and because protein tends to suppress your appetite, than that your body isn't getting the protein it needs to function, as it gets plenty.

Just the average Tomato has almost 20% less vitamin C and anti-oxidants than it had 10 years ago because of aggracultural practices like fertilization and genetic modifications( bug and disease resistance)Amino acids in protien are responsible for tissue repair, metaboilism and alot of bodily functions to name a few.

Trainer_jyms wrote:
Your in a starvation mode 24/7 because of a lack of essential fats, minerals and phytochemicals

.

Poeple could get more phytochemicals if foods weren't processed. I don't know much about omega 3 and 6 fats, i'm guessing we'd get more of those too. the misnomer here is, phytochemicals and omega fats aren't essential. There are many essential nutrients, these aren't them. They're great for us, but you can live a perfectly healthy life without them.

They are absolutely essential. With just a 10% increase in Omega 3 and 6 your metabilism and blood fat levels will improve 50%. Without Omega fats you will die. That's essential.

Trainer_jyms wrote:
Most people over eat the wrong foods knowing they are wrong because of mental issues. I.E: comfort, childhood trauma, depression and/or fear. Food is the trigger for relief and was taught at an early age.( poor baby is upset, here's a cookie.) I can go on all day with this so I'll stop her

e.

this is probably exaggerated, but probably has a lot of truth to it.

thanks for that one. I expected more from this statment than the others

Trainer_jyms wrote:
P.S. Your not hungry your thirsty. Stop drinking water with chlorine, flouride and heavy metals, your tap water is a major problem.

This is total bunk. the levels of those things in tap water are not bad for you. Even if you thought the levels were too high, and that they were bad for you, water is water, you wouldn't be thirsty, those things would cause problems other than thirst. .

I urge you to read more on things about Flouride , chlorine and heavy metals like mercury. If you do you will never drink tap water or brush your teeth with flouride again. Our own governments say not to give children undr 3 flouride yet it's in everything produced with water. It causes brain undergrowth and has links to thousands of modern ilnesses like altziemers. Look up Kevin Trudea. Ya he's a little over the top but he is telling the truth. Read Natural cures, read fastfood nation and talk to a Naturapath and see how you feel after.

[LeFou]

Read Kevin Trudeau's Book or watch a movie called the Corporation

Sweet! Another raving liberal! I was getting lonely.

I urge you to read more on things about Flouride , chlorine and heavy metals like mercury.

I worked at Ozarka's QA lab awhile back, and we did all kinds of tests on what was getting into the bottles. If samples failed the chlorine test, we'd frequently shut down the line. I don't know all the effects of chlorine, but it was by far the test taken most seriously.

[jyms]

I'm not a liberal! or ya mean him. I'm a capitalist, but not at the expence of my health.

[PU$$Y]

fuck capilatism
smoke weed

[jyms]

embrace capitalism. Make weed legal for sale.

[Aces]

Fast food Nation, one of many food books on what I'm talking about.

Good book. If you want to get so disgusted you won't eat fast food, this book is for you. It worked for me(mostly). Kind of like how the blood-n-guts movie they show during traffic school got me to wear my seatbelt even though I knew better beforehand.

[jyms]

Don't read trudeau's book then. It'll F U up

[Aces]

This Kevin Trudeu?

"Even before hitting the bestseller list, Trudeau, who is in his early 40s, had built a billion-dollar empire as a prolific infomercialteer, selling various health and self-improvement products under the cover of night. This despite a two-year stint in federal prison in the early '90s after pleading guilty to credit card fraud, and a 1996 tangle with the Illinois attorney general, who accused him of running a pyramid scheme while working for a health-products company called Nutrition for Life. Trudeau and a co-defendant settled that case, paying $185,000 to Illinois and seven other states; during that time, the U.S. Postal Service and Securities and Exchange Commission also investigated his business dealings."

[jyms]

It's all in the book. Not everything you read is full truth. I'll tell ya what. You take on the american government and phamaceutical companys and see how good you end up looking.

[a500lbgorilla]

go exercise fattys, you sound like a bunch of women discussing diets

exercise alone gets you no where if you continue to over-eat.

[Aces]

It's all in the book. Not everything you read is full truth. I'll tell ya what. You take on the american government and phamaceutical companys and see how good you end up looking.

I'm as distrustful of the gubment/drug co's as the next guy and maybe some of it is overblown, but all of it? I haven't researched this in-depth but from what I've seen that's hard to believe.

Anyway, thanks for your input to the thread. It's got me thinking about ways to improve my diet which I have let go to hell..

[Renton]

eat five or six 400-500 calorie small meals per day and you'll lose weight.

[jyms]

Absolutely Renton. But the original thread ppl is about health and not necassarily about weight loss. I can point out in 30 seconds which people in any grocery store that are ill or going to develop diseases from the foods they pick. Not all thin people are healthy, and most fat peolple are unhealthy no matter what they tell ya. How many 70 year old fat people are there not bound to wheelchairs or beds.

[wufwugy]

whole lots of wrong in this thread.

i suggest anybody who cares spends time on pubmed examining studies of pertinent subjects, discussing these with others who do likewise, and fruther learn how to determine accuracies in study controls and logic. and go check out Lyle McDonald's books and website. he and some of his cronies are probably the easiest, most comprehensive, and non-bullshit source by which to learn about and understand the realities of diet and fitness.

there is almost as much unproven and disproven dogma in the diet and fitness industry as there is in religion.

[thenonsequitur]

Lyle McDonald's website.

So I took your advice and started reading his website. I came across this line:

People often get frustrated with me because they will ask me a question and typically get an answer of 'It depends'.

This line is what sold me (seriosuly). That and the guy does sound like he's got real credentials (20 years of being obsessed with nutrition, diet, health, fitness, exercise, training). Especially since he's got a good attitude for learning:

Frankly, I am usually interested in what anybody has to say about training or nutrition because, odds are, they know something that I don't. Even if I disagree with them on 99% of what they have to say, the 1% that teaches me something new or useful is worth it.

So he's given himself the opportunity to hear every little tidbet of potential fact he can, and given himself the time to reject or accept the right ones. So I'll continue to read his stuff.

there is almost as much unproven and disproven dogma in the diet and fitness industry as there is in religion.

I think I can agree here, and I'm sure I'm a sucker for some of it too. Always trying to sift through the dogma and get to the real facts though.

[jyms]

On the unproven and disproven dogma... I agree 100%.

[thenonsequitur]

Another quote from this guy:

The bottom line is that the fundamentals and basics almost always work. That's true whether you're talking about training, diet or anything else. Before you worry about advanced approaches, get your fundamentals straight.

I start to get the feeling that he's talking about poker...

[wufwugy]

yeah, Lyle's a great guy. he addresses every question asked of him. which is very much unlike most of the other practitioners in his field. that's part of why i've grown fond of his forum.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Short answer, most wheat is over processed and 1/3 of the western world has a mild/moderate allergy that causes everything from gastrointestinal upset, skin conditions and believe it or not, weight gain, to name a few.

I'd like to see some credible literature pertaining to that.

[Greedo017]

pubmed is an absolutely great resource. if only more people would get their information from pubmed instead of kevin trudeau, the world would be a better place.

omega3's and 6's, i took a gamble by not researching them, and I paid for it. I previously knew that we needed a couple of fats, as they were the only ones our bodies don't produce, and i just hoped it wasn't omega 3's and 6's but it is. I'm still not convinced that there is a link between processing and us not getting enough of these fats, however. perhaps it is true, i just don't think its obviously true.

Just the average Tomato has almost 20% less vitamin C and anti-oxidants than it had 10 years ago because of aggracultural practices like fertilization and genetic modifications( bug and disease resistance)Amino acids in protien are responsible for tissue repair, metaboilism and alot of bodily functions to name a few.

that doesn't mean we don't get enough vitamin C. and, anti-oxidants are concentrated in highly processed foods like tomato paste. and, none of this has anything to do with getting enough protein.

I urge you to read more on things about Flouride , chlorine and heavy metals like mercury. If you do you will never drink tap water or brush your teeth with flouride again. Our own governments say not to give children undr 3 flouride yet it's in everything produced with water. It causes brain undergrowth and has links to thousands of modern ilnesses like altziemers. Look up Kevin Trudea. Ya he's a little over the top but he is telling the truth. Read Natural cures, read fastfood nation and talk to a Naturapath and see how you feel after.

i know all about those things. i still don't think tap water is harmful. and it still has nothing to do with being thirsty.

and i can't believe you're telling me to read kevin trudeau. unbelievable. I'm not scared of the government. i'm not scared of "the corporation". I just don't think that, just because the whole world, or a big business, could be out to get me and my money at any cost, that they are. The motivation, honestly, is very small. If a big company wants my money, the best thing they can do is give me a product that does what I want the best.

The reason that alternative medicines like herbs and such are talked down about is not because they're necessarily harmful, but because they're possibly harmful and definitely not beneficial. real medicines sometimes cause real negative side effects, because they have a real impact on changing whats going on in your body. If you want, you can look up exactly what any given medicine does on pubmed, albiet if you have no training in biology it might not mean much to you. herbs and such generally don't do much of anything, + or -.

[pgil]

if you want to be really healthy, eat nothing but nuts and a few berries. of course, you have to eat all day, but still. healthy.

for those of us who arent obsessive compulsive about what we eat, there are easy ways to eat healthier. cut out most simple carbohydrates, and eat a little of everything. the simple sugars are especially important in weight gain as they cause an insulin response which leads to the excess sugars being stored as fat, and to a feeling of hunger soon afterwards, since insulin makes you hungry.

i of course follow almost none of this advice, as i love simple sugars, and wendy's junior bacon cheeseburgers, and beer.