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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Which would make sense if I was a Bernie supporter and not someone who posted a meme for giggles.

    Since the situation is the latter, I find it intellectually dishonest for you to require me to do homework just to understand what you've already said. We're "friends" and I asked you a question. If you don't want to answer it, then fine.
    Telling me that before you will explain yourself, I need to spend an hour reading some redundant politician's positions... just c'mon. That's not cool.


    You see? I agree with you that requiring cosmetic surgery to be covered by health insurance providers is insulting to freedom.
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    Yeah. I knew you were cooler than all that, wuf.

    I've noticed in the past couple days that I'm getting more petty and impatient as the self-isolation thing drags on. I'm trying to think of some ways to deal with it, but I'm not really coming up with much.

    Sorry if I've been a bit bitchy about this topic. I'm starting to see that I could be more open, lately.
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  3. #153
    It's all good. This virus got everybody.
  4. #154
    I would like a real nice UBI program because you can bet your sweet ass I know how to move to a cheap part of the country and budget like a gangster.
  5. #155
    The press is so bad that it's probably a smart decision to always reassess any belief one has that the press also has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I would like a real nice UBI program because you can bet your sweet ass I know how to move to a cheap part of the country and budget like a gangster.
    Me, too, but not because I want to live like a pauper off the dole of the state.

    I think you're in the minority, there, wuf.
    I really don't think there's an appreciable fraction of people that want to live in poverty and do "nothing" with their lives.


    I want UBI because then we can eliminate unemployment, food stamp programs, welfare, etc.
    We wont be able to eliminate all the public safety nets, but we can get rid of the largest and most distrusted ones.


    Furthermore, if that's your attitude, wuf, then I bet the business where you work would be more productive if you'd stop playing this game where you work a job, but your heart's not in it. If you never applied for that job, and the only people who applied for the job were people who actually wanted the job, then I bet the business becomes more profitable.

    I bet that happens across the board.

    The current system forces people to make compromises with their time. That's not inherently bad. It's how it's always been. But the rise of automation is changing the needs on our time. UBI is inevitable. It's just a question of whether the time is now.
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    At least here we have fairly decent unemployment benefits, but if you have really any income, even part-time or sporadic work, you lose all benefits. That means if you can't get a proper job you're trained for and would actually want to do, it's better to just stay home than try to get some extra income.

    The same applies for small businesses. If you start a company, it doesn't even have to generate any income for you to lose your eligibility for unemployment benefits, which makes starting a business damn risky.

    UBI would fix these, with far far less administrative costs than with running several benefits programs.
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  8. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Furthermore, if that's your attitude, wuf, then I bet the business where you work would be more productive if you'd stop playing this game where you work a job, but your heart's not in it. If you never applied for that job, and the only people who applied for the job were people who actually wanted the job, then I bet the business becomes more profitable.
    Heh.

    I run the company because of how profitable I've made it.
  9. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    At least here we have fairly decent unemployment benefits, but if you have really any income, even part-time or sporadic work, you lose all benefits. That means if you can't get a proper job you're trained for and would actually want to do, it's better to just stay home than try to get some extra income.

    The same applies for small businesses. If you start a company, it doesn't even have to generate any income for you to lose your eligibility for unemployment benefits, which makes starting a business damn risky.

    UBI would fix these, with far far less administrative costs than with running several benefits programs.
    Great points.

    I probably ultimately prefer a UBI system with zero other welfare programs over the mess of poverty traps and abuse we have have now.

    The main consideration is what level of UBI wouldn't have too big of a negative impact on the incentive to produce.
  10. #160
    I've thought long and hard on this, and I can't yet find how automation causes any need for UBI.

    The idea that automation reduces employment opportunities is a legend. It's never happened, and nobody can tell if it will happen in the future.

    Theoretically, in my estimation, if it did happen -- where automation made people unable to produce for greater livelihoods -- it would necessarily mean that the people already get better stuff from the automation than that which they can work for. This is probably inevitable to a degree in the far, far distant future with unbelievable technology and people have little need to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Heh.

    I run the company because of how profitable I've made it.
    Still, you'd make another company even more profitable if you had the job you actually wanted.
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    UBI wouldn't eliminate all other welfare programs. Only the biggest and most distrusted ones.
    We'd still need safety nets for people in non-standard situations which UBI can't cover. Healthcare costs are one that comes to mind. Without healthcare insurance coverage for people on only UBI, any hospitalization would break their bank.

    Handling UBI for families with varying numbers of children is an issue that people will endlessly fight about.

    Another thing UBI eliminates is minimum wage.
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  13. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Still, you'd make another company even more profitable if you had the job you actually wanted.
    Guess I should find a job I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I've thought long and hard on this, and I can't yet find how automation causes any need for UBI.

    The idea that automation reduces employment opportunities is a legend. It's never happened, and nobody can tell if it will happen in the future.

    Theoretically, in my estimation, if it did happen -- where automation made people unable to produce for greater livelihoods -- it would necessarily mean that the people already get better stuff from the automation than that which they can work for. This is probably inevitable to a degree in the far, far distant future with unbelievable technology and people have little need to work.
    You make some good points.
    It's not a given that increasing automation decreases jobs.

    The combine harvester has done more job taking than anything in human history. It's been many decades and that automation hasn't eliminated the number of jobs, it's increased the variety of jobs.

    This is typical. This is what happens when people suddenly have free time on their hands. They innovate and find new ways to spend their time, and to participate in society and culture.

    This is another big reason I favor UBI, and discard the idea that "if people don't have to work, they wont work."
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  15. #165
    My two areas of interest on UBI:

    (1) Incentive to produce to make money so you can get things you want *seems* real, but we don't fully understand it.

    Even though this model is arguably the most useful at organizing vast networks of people, that doesn't mean there isn't a better model.

    (2) I can't make headway on finding how UBI could increase production. It can probably incentivize innovation by making less costly production more costly, but that incentive also exists without UBI.

    There seems to be no certainty on what the effect UBI would have, perhaps other than the same de-employment of people on the margins effect that other welfare programs have.
  16. #166
    There are two types of labor, physical and cognitive. We've seen automation mainly in physical labor, but cognitive human labor has been losing out to automation as well. For example, truckers and radiologist.

    Maybe AI was over promised in recently years, but even if you're long on it, it's intellectually lazy to simply say "oh, that's far off." Before we get to the human labor free future, there will be all sorts of growing pains on the way. If we don't have an idea of what a labor free society looks like, what chances do we have of transitioning without imploding?

    I'm a pessimist here: I think it's a long tightrope with a plunge into societal collapse waiting at every potential misstep. But if we don't at least get the tightrope setup, there won't even be the slim chance of getting society to the other side.
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    You're right. That's the big question.
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    I want to see a law passed that if any person is put out of work by government decree, that person will receive 200% his documented annual income by that government.

    It would ensure honesty and diligence by many state governments (and the federal government) in times like this.
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    The way they do it around here is: the government covers 90% of the wage for the duration of the lockdown for companies to keep their employees. They're technically expected to do 10% of the work - whatever that means, but it's worth it just for not having to re-hire when this is over.
    I get that disaster response is messy and to act fast is more important than to get it exactly right, but: a one-time $1200 stimulus cheque? WTF are you doing? The cost of people not staying home is so much higher than to pay them a living wage throughout this. What did the 2008 Wall-Street bailout cost the average US taxpayer? I'm not going to do fucking math at 6AM, but it was significantly more than $1200 per taxpayer.
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    It must be tough being a political leader these days. They get the best information of anybody in the world, yet the people cannot trust them because they don't bear the direct cost of the decisions they make.
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    I don't know what it will take to have a country united against the Chinese Communist Party.
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    The most pro-government argument I ever made is the same one I make today: when there is one goal, having an absolute authority who can command and direct at will works. This implies that if you're in a system with other (competing) governments, perhaps the best way to counter those governments is with government.

    It's a short stick we've been dealt, but I hope we can come together to support our governments in fighting the greatest enemy in the world today: China.
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    It's interesting that USA folk seem to think China is the enemy. They are an economic rival, that doesn't make them the enemy. Not unless, that is, your only ambition is to remain the #1 economy in the world at all costs.

    If there's a concern that China acted deliberately in allowing this virus to spread, perhaps it is more than economics, but at the monet that seems like paranoia, fueled by internal politics.
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    Interesting that the Trumpers seem so keen to identify China as a huge #1 threat while at the same time their dear leader has been busy alienating most of their own key allies.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's interesting that USA folk seem to think China is the enemy. They are an economic rival, that doesn't make them the enemy. Not unless, that is, your only ambition is to remain the #1 economy in the world at all costs.

    If there's a concern that China acted deliberately in allowing this virus to spread, perhaps it is more than economics, but at the monet that seems like paranoia, fueled by internal politics.
    Forceful organ harvesting from tortured victims

    Assigned rapists to wives of Muslims thrown in concentration camps

    Chinese people have no rights. Chinese government disobeys international laws at will.

    The Chinese Communist Party is an existential threat to your way of life and my way of life.
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    Yeah the Chinese govt are cunts. But so are the Saudis, and they're our buddies. Geopolitics and morality are mutually exclusive.
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    Chinese communism is not a threat to my way of life. That's frankly ridiculous. It's not going to take hold here, our people are too self entitled and will resist communism. It's none of my business what economic models other nations use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Chinese communism is not a threat to my way of life. That's frankly ridiculous. It's not going to take hold here, our people are too self entitled and will resist communism. It's none of my business what economic models other nations use.
    What do you suppose I meant by way of life?
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    So what?
    What gives anyone the "right" to a "way of life?"
    Why is it that while it changes all the time, you feel you have the right to keep it from changing?
    Is it anything other than disguised xenophobia?



    Is it fair for other peoples to describe America as an "existential threat to their way of life?"
    If not, how is it different?
    If so, what is it they should do about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    The Chinese Communist Party is an existential threat to your way of life and my way of life.
    Oh no! Not the chinese communist party!
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  31. #181
    The China ruling power holocausts its people and is responsible for our current global pandemic.
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    They certainly didn't help, but it's not like there wasn't plenty of time to prepare for every country outside CHI. Much of SE asia seems to have escaped the worst of it, as have some European countries like GRE and ICE. So, unless you blame China for the USA being slow to move, seems you have to bear some of the responsibility yourself.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    What do you suppose I meant by way of life?
    Capitalism. What do you mean by way of life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Capitalism. What do you mean by way of life?
    Having a moderately liberty oriented system of laws. You have that. China does not.

    As we have seen in remarkable ways, as the Chinese Communist Party grows in influence, so does its impact on us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    They certainly didn't help, but it's not like there wasn't plenty of time to prepare for every country outside CHI. Much of SE asia seems to have escaped the worst of it, as have some European countries like GRE and ICE. So, unless you blame China for the USA being slow to move, seems you have to bear some of the responsibility yourself.
    There's responsibility to go around.

    And there is only one ruling power that has a causal relationship with the virus creation/outbreaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    There's responsibility to go around.

    And there is only one ruling power that has a causal relationship with the virus creation/outbreaking.
    So your view is that they "created" it? I don't think that's a common perception among the experts.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  37. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    So your view is that they "created" it? I don't think that's a common perception among the experts.
    My view is the mainstream one.

    The CCP knows what the wet markets are causing. They've caused so many outbreaks. China acts like addressing it is not a priority.
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    Ok. I thought you meant it was deliberate.

    But, we've been over this before. The wet markets are't the only place people contract diseases from animals. They may be a bad idea, but so are having large pig and chicken feedlots, riding camels, and herding cows.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    That is true.
  40. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Having a moderately liberty oriented system of laws. You have that. China does not.

    As we have seen in remarkable ways, as the Chinese Communist Party grows in influence, so does its impact on us.
    It sucks for the Chinese people that they don't have the same liberties we do, but their lack of liberty isn't affecting my way of life. I still enjoy these liberties, even in times of lockdown. I appreciate China has influence in my life, but it's got nothing to do with how shitty their govt or economic system is. If anything, their influence has increased as a result of them becoming somewhat more economically liberal.

    There's lots of shitty governments around the world. Some are more subtle than others. Some are our friends. China are assholes, but they're not the enemy. I don't think so anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    My view is the mainstream one.

    The CCP knows what the wet markets are causing. They've caused so many outbreaks. China acts like addressing it is not a priority.
    So not even veiled xenophobia, then?
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    Don't get me wrong, if I could pick a government that I could eliminate with a snap of the finger, it'd probably be them. But only if it could happen without bloodshed, in some magical fantasy land with unicorns. It doesn't work like that though, we can't remove them without it causing a full scale world war. To consider them an enemy is to consider such a war an inevitability, but that in itself is dangerous thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    So not even veiled xenophobia, then?
    I am only referring to the government. Chinese people are awesome and I wish we westerners could come together to help them in their fight against the evil ruling power of China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Don't get me wrong, if I could pick a government that I could eliminate with a snap of the finger, it'd probably be them. But only if it could happen without bloodshed, in some magical fantasy land with unicorns. It doesn't work like that though, we can't remove them without it causing a full scale world war. To consider them an enemy is to consider such a war an inevitability, but that in itself is dangerous thinking.
    The CCP is responsible for millions of deaths of civilians in other countries.

    If they caused that through physical invasion, we'd say we're already at war with the CCP.
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    If China are willfully responsible for this pandemic, then fair enough, we're at war with them. If this is just an accident, which is what I believe, and that the Chinese govt have just been incompetent, well that's not a matter of military conflict.
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    Until China and India have banded together, I think your precious way of life is fine.

    According to my crystal ball:
    If those 2 combine military and economic will... that's already over 1/3 of all humans under 1 authority.
    The rest of the world will be theirs in a matter of time.
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    oh, fun, foreign relations between parties that don't include the US (or whatever your home country is) are fascinating. I think we're (I certainly am) so used to understanding the world in how it relates to our own country that it's easy to forget how complex the web of international diplomacy really is.

    China and India joining a military pact is scary, but it's fairly unlikely. On the other hand, Russia and China are just a scary, and it's already happening.

    Compare these:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-R...ons_since_1991
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangh...n_Organisation

    to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%...ndia_relations
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    Yeah I always thought China and India didn't really get along, and the main thing stopping them from fighting was the huge mountain range between them.

    China and Russia used to have a lot of border skirmishes. I don't think Russia is anywhere near as scary as they used to be, but I'd rather they didn't join China either.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Yeah I always thought China and India didn't really get along, and the main thing stopping them from fighting was the huge mountain range between them.

    China and Russia used to have a lot of border skirmishes. I don't think Russia is anywhere near as scary as they used to be, but I'd rather they didn't join China either.
    Yeah, I mean a lot of what's scary about Russia is their know how. Their know how combined with China's population is scary.
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    Ong, it should be pointed out that it's not just Americans who see a rivalry, the Chinese state does too. It's implicit in many of their communications/international agreements.
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    Whatever happens with COVID, the outcome will strengthen what each person believes already.
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    That has nothing to do with CV, wuf.

    It's not the whole truth, either. People change somewhat. Sometimes a lot. Mostly not, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Whatever happens with COVID, the outcome will strengthen what each person believes already.
    Wait, so everybody wins, no matter what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackvance View Post
    Wait, so everybody wins, no matter what?
    I'm winning. I haven't had to speak to the jobcentre in over a month, and even when this is over I'll probably deal with them by phone for the rest of the year. Plus I've got free credit on my phone in the evenings and weekends due to covid. Also, I strongly suspect that covid is the reason why I'm winning more at poker... more terrible players.

    This pandemic is great.
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  55. #205
    What does it mean when our federal government is better at providing real news than our national press is?
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    I'm not sure which one of these perspectives is more racist and hurtful. Are they both equally harmful?

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    Not sure what two perspectives you're talking about. It's bad, but it's not really news that Biden is racist. It's kind of funny that right after this clip he goes on to say you just have to look at his record to see who's better for minorities, when that's the last thing he wants given his record. He lies effortlessly. As does Trump. This seems to be a very beneficial trait in politics.

    You'd have to elaborate what you mean by "providing real news"
    If you just look at factual reporting: the big ones like NYT and WAPO are actually pretty good. Just by day to day reporting of world events you're unlikely to find anything factually wrong. The opinion sections are a different story.
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    I just attempted to watch the entire Breakfast Club interview and I nearly cringed myself into another dimension. I can't get through it.
    The positive angle on this is that this makes it much harder for him to pick Klobuchar for VP. If the DNC actually wanted to win they'd pick Nina Turner and I'd completely flip my 2020 prediction. That's not going to happen, but anyone is better than Klob... who's still probably going to be the VP pick simply because she's the absolute worst viable choice and that's just what they do.
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  59. #209
    Obamagate is real news. The press (at least the WH Press Corps side) isn't touching it.

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    I don't like that it takes the Trump administration to push it for the information to even get out. Shouldn't be like that.
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    Even assuming 10% of "Obamagate" is true (which is probably a stretch), it's a bit of odd timing for Obama to be under scrutiny now, isn't it? He's not POTUS anymore.

    It's also a bit rich coming from the guy who tried to extort a country to give him dirt on an opponent in return for foreign aid.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    So far every factual statement from the White House saying anything about Obamagate has been shown to be either false, or standard operating procedures followed by prior presidents.

    What are you saying Obamagate is that doesn't fit those 2 criteria?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    standard operating procedures followed by prior presidents.
    It's probably this. The real story appears to be that names are not masked in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    it's a bit of odd timing for Obama to be under scrutiny now, isn't it?
    He's been under scrutiny (started years ago) since it was first revealed that he was spying on the opposition party. Trump admin has slowly ramped up talking about it, and the timing appears to be election based to me.

    The press hasn't touched the true parts of it, but did report as true the false parts of it for years.
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    She's going through a whole lot of things in that video that may or may not be related. What part specifically do you think should have been reported on but didn't?
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    I just want to say that it is absolutely beyond parody that a reporter in a white house press conference who's totally not a plant would ask a question like "Has president Trump considered pardoning Obama for his crimes"

    This is just one level short of asking why Trump is so handsome.
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    I was waiting for "Has Obama stopped beating his wife yet?"
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I just want to say that it is absolutely beyond parody that a reporter in a white house press conference who's totally not a plant would ask a question like "Has president Trump considered pardoning Obama for his crimes"

    This is just one level short of asking why Trump is so handsome.
    Even Trump is jealous of Chanel Rion's hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    She's going through a whole lot of things in that video that may or may not be related. What part specifically do you think should have been reported on but didn't?
    The spying on opposition party and that Flynn wasn't masked, probably. Could be much more important stuff in there than that, though.
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    If that's the big reveal, then I'd say it's not a frontpage story because it's just not a big story. How do you prove intent in that? Is there a communication line from Obama to whoever unredacted the name? I certainly wouldn't put it past democratic leadership to do that, but as long as it's just speculative it would be bad journalism to report on it. This is one for the tabloids until more information comes out... but I wouldn't hold my breath. Unless I'm missing something, they are not going by new information. They are digging up a 4 year old story just before the covid death toll officially breaks 6 figures and right after a failed coup attempt that Elliot Abrams definitely knows nothing about, and will probably be forgotten once all that is off the news cycle.
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    So it's got nothing to do with underage pizza? Boring.
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    So a nothingburger with no lizard meat. Let's assume the spying happened. What punishments should come out of it, in relation to these?

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  73. #223
    Mail-in ballot fraud is real. I've seen so much in my state of only mail-in. It goes unnoticed usually.

    Maybe that's why handlers on Twitter are flagging tweets that point out that mail-in is ripe for fraud. Handlers on Twitter are uneducated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Mail-in ballot fraud is real. I've seen so much in my state of only mail-in. It goes unnoticed usually.
    How do you know about something that goes unnoticed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    How do you know about something that goes unnoticed?
    Being a free thinker gives you great insight at times.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry

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