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    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy View Post
    Sometimes being the far and away best player (I'm thinking video games here) gets boring. I think it's interesting to find sub-optimal ways to play that can still be victorious. Sometimes you get caught with your pants down, sometimes you end up in a hole and have to channel every ounce to make a come-back. One can always fall back on a beat down in the next game to re-establish dominance. I find these dynamics interesting, and if I'm the worse player I don't mind pulling out the occasional win if the first person is leaving a hole in their game.
    I know what you mean. One of the best natural highs is constantly losing something but not giving up, and finally winning it. It's awesome in any kind of game. It actually sucks when things are too easy, especially in turn-based RPGs (god, the beginnings of every Final Fantasy is just rapidly pressing the button through battles), so I imagine that's what it would be like if I had mastered everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy View Post
    This is out of place, even on the internet. JKDS has already established that he is still interested in girls and aubreymcfate just makes a post about the social stigmas regarding a male liking both genders.

    Apologizes if you two have a previous dynamic I am unaware of. Even if this is true the joke is about 50 posts too late.
    meh it's late but given the tone of the thread and jkds I think it's clear this is harmless

    although having said that I was blissfully unaware the world's in a state of slightly rife bi-guy-denial, sigh
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    Everything in this thread is so shocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    Thanks.

    I'm glad you got the chance to explore your sexuality despite your upbringing. I was lucky enough to grow up in a liberal suburb less an hour from NYC. My high school alone had a gay principal with a black tribal armband tattoo, a thriving gay-straight alliance through which I participated in an annual "Day of Silence" like the righteous little high schooler I was, and a drama/choir clique that was not ironically popular but significantly high in the social hierarchy. And I had constant, unsupervised Internet access. Despite what struggles I did have, not having access to information or general support on a community level was not one of them.

    I'm pretty sure being in tune with one's sexuality is essential to achieve happiness. Our society has fucked with people so hard in regards to what they should act like, dress like, and who they should want, and how they should want them, and what you're allowed to do what with what body, and the list goes on and on. No wonder so many people are depressed as fuck and don't know why.
    Oh god - you were lucky. I was raised in a very small town in the rural part of North Carolina foothills. There aren't very many open minded people when it comes to sexuality or religion, and sometimes race. I've always been the rebellious one in my family, especially when it came to the things I was brought up being spoon-fed. Even before my family got a computer in 98, I started questioning a lot of things I was being taught, then when I really learned to internet, there was no stopping my rebellious nature.

    Alright - but, enough about the stories of the south. JKDS, tell your boyfran to stop being silly, if he plays you at the video games then he can expect to possibly lose. If he doesn't like it, then tell him to get better or stop playing. p.s., I'm happy for you.
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    I let my bf take ridiculously good prop bet sides vs. me so he feels good about scamming me out of $70 on CPA exams. His wife appreciates it too.
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    wait wait wait, you caught a case of the bisex too? What is gmml putting in the drinking water?
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    Tanes flipped me, turns out I like 'em big(ish)
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    J, do you find all the casual homophobic remarks that exist both on this forum and elsewhere offensive? Ie calling crap stuff gay etc, so not homophobia that is intended to offend, but the more casual inconsiderate homophobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    if I had to bet on it I'd wager these questions are from yer wife
    Nah they were all me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    fuck man. move state or even better, country. fucking crap country you live in, that is.
    I cant bring myself to do it. Canada sounds wonderful, but all my friends and family live here.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiMark View Post
    my half-assed way of dealing with a vaguely similar was to find stuff where person A has the edge and person B has the edge, even if its just due to familiarity with the game and where it's sort of almost accepted who's gonna win beforehand and aim of the game is just making it a bit of a challenge for them or whatever. to be honest it's not a great solution.

    How much does he care about losing? If I'm in a situation where I'm expecting to lose then my ego doesn't mind so much, and I quite enjoy the challenge, really my only fear/concern in that area is that I'm boring the other person.

    Iunno how easy it would be to get the point across that even if you are better in all games than him that doesn't paint a complete picture of intellect or intelligence, as you said you're interested in game theory and the like and probably expend more practice/effort working on improving there (even if that just means more conscious thought on decisions while playing), which is maybe a skill like anything else rather than some kind of indicator of who's smarter.

    you already answered my one liking it in the pooper related question in another thread ty
    Find a game hes good at? Ive thought of this, but the only games i KNOW ill lose at involve memory or trivia...and he doesnt want to stomp me into oblivion in those. (He is much more knowledgeable than I in almost every respect, i love it).

    Oh, he hates losing. Especially when its over and over again. I think one issue is that he doesnt want to accept that im better in certain games, and as to your next point, Ive so far failed to adequately explain that losing doesnt make him intellectually inferior. I keep trying though, damn it.

    Re pooper question: yw! (PS, I was talking about me and my bf there)

    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post

    I have very rarely got so pissed off in my life.
    I feel the same. Went easy on me? FUCK YOU.

    Quote Originally Posted by imsavy

    Ask them why they want to play whatever game it is you are playing.
    He wants to play to have fun, but they want to also play strategy games and win every now and then. Paradox!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    Anyway, back on topic.

    Any advice out there for guys who want to have a threesome with their girlfriend? (and another female of course)
    Um, hard question. If this is a serious question, its entirely dependent on your relationship. Id say you need too things though.
    1) Communication
    2) Security.

    You need to communicate why you want this, but its gotta be more than that. Does she have any interest, at all, in playing a bit with another girl? If so, what type of girl? Are you in it just to fuck another woman? That might make her feel bad...and if you just want to watch while they lez out, its gonna be pretty unfun and stupid if she has absolutely no interest.

    You BOTH also need to be 100% secure with the other person. Seeing you with someone else may be hurtful. In my case, its easier. Girls ordinarily dont have dicks, so its easy to understand my need to play with someone with a jayjay while not making my bf feel like hes being replaced or demoted. But, its still a serious concern. He lets me flirt with girls (guys too) because hes 100% secure that I wouldnt do anything, but if there was any doubt...Im not sure it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy View Post
    This is one of the best new commune threads I've seen in some time.
    TY

    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy

    I would never play poker with a friend who doesn't know, and doesn't care because it would be boring, and they wouldn't play for enough $$ to mater (i.e. I walk away up $25, big woop).
    I think a "you couldnt afford to play poker with me" argument would work as a good excuse, but not for other games

    So yeah, diversify into something with more luck maybe?

    Untouched in the discussion so far is team sports...

    P.S. Good luck with the love life JKDS. Sorry people are stupid (referring to the general public, not your bf)
    Ive been asking my RL friends, and they suggested that as well. Maybe not the difference between luck and skill games, but perhaps just sticking to skill games that have a boatload of variance.

    Re Sports: Neither of us is really into them. Short white guys cant jump. Im gonna be challenging him to a nerf gun war soon though.

    Thanks for the good luck!

    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
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    Clearly I think about this stuff a lot. As a fellow bisexual (I have problems with that term but it will suffice for now) and person who has done her fair share of research on queer and gender theory, I have a wealth of opinions on this.
    Id love to here more.

    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post

    I just like to be the best. Always. And if I can't have that, I sure as fuck won't settle for being treated charitably in any sort of competition.
    Ive heard this enough times now to know Im not crazy for thinking this. Glad theres a ton of people who hate people that go easy on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post

    I don't understand why people seem to think a male can't be bisexual as well. Both genders have their positives and their negatives. I mean, hell, I love the female body, and I love the male body. I've always had this weird feeling about being attracted to females even as a young teenager, and always denied it because of the area I was raised in. When I really accepted who I was, what I liked, what I thought was attractive, I started really finding myself.
    This this this this this.

    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy View Post
    Sometimes being the far and away best player (I'm thinking video games here) gets boring. I think it's interesting to find sub-optimal ways to play that can still be victorious. Sometimes you get caught with your pants down, sometimes you end up in a hole and have to channel every ounce to make a come-back. One can always fall back on a beat down in the next game to re-establish dominance. I find these dynamics interesting, and if I'm the worse player I don't mind pulling out the occasional win if the first person is leaving a hole in their game.
    Same.

    Quote Originally Posted by JL View Post
    On a serious note, JKDS, I am curious how this started. What was your first bi-sexual experience? Did you do role-reversal with your previous girlfriend? Did you have a threesome with another guy and a girl?

    After that, how did you meet your first boyfriend?
    My first bisex experience was January. I started realizing more and more that I was bisexual. Its not like its an easy realization to make. Obviously, I had fantasies regarding women (i still watch a LOT of lesbian and hetero porn), so what to make of the occasional dick fantasy? Dont many straights have those every once in awhile? Hell, I can remember one where I'm on rickety, narrow, wooden, plank bridge high between two mountains, (im afraid of heights) and some rednecked asshole starts raping me. Wtf does that even mean?

    At somepoint, I realized I wasnt just looking at guys at the gym to check out different workouts. I started thinking about rape fantasies more, squeezing muscles more, but women were still the dominate fantasy (I still watched them bounce on treadmills).

    So, I started calling myself "bi-curious", just to explore it at first...and then after that I realized that I liked the idea of being with a guy too. I was officially bisexual, and got approached by a "bear" at a bar. We talked a bit, he thought I was cute (I blushed like mad), we kissed (I hated it!), but I liked him enough to overcome that. Its now 5 months later.

    To your other questions, I wasnt in a relationship when i started putting two and two together. However, had she brought it up...my curiosity probably would have had me agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post
    JKDS, tell your boyfran to stop being silly, if he plays you at the video games then he can expect to possibly lose. If he doesn't like it, then tell him to get better or stop playing. p.s., I'm happy for you.
    TY! I think hes being pretty silly. I havent tried the direct "get better or quit" line, I'm kinda scared.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73 View Post
    I let my bf take ridiculously good prop bet sides vs. me so he feels good about scamming me out of $70 on CPA exams. His wife appreciates it too.
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73 View Post
    Tanes flipped me, turns out I like 'em big(ish)
    Fuck, im confused now. I thought you were just playing with bf meaning both best friend and boyfriend. Big IS nice though...

    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    J, do you find all the casual homophobic remarks that exist both on this forum and elsewhere offensive? Ie calling crap stuff gay etc, so not homophobia that is intended to offend, but the more casual inconsiderate homophobia.
    It depends. Im a big "intent" guy, and have called people gay and faggots for forever. Its just part of 90s culture, ya know? I mean, you cant play a video game without being called a faggot...but no one knows youre actually gay in the real lifes. So its typically harmless. Louis CK has an accurate skit imo regarding faggot != gay too, and I agree pretty strongly.

    So usually, no. I mean, if someone gets into an argument with me and those words come out...I'll probably associate them with fagbashing...but its all in the context. The two comments itt, I thought were just jokes. I didnt laugh, but i wasnt offended either.
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    Also, my BF and I call each other "fucking queers, etc" all the time.
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    yes I'm messing around, except Tanes is raping me (FIGURATIVELY) in props so far this summer
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    my thoughts on the game issue:
    play your best when you play, doing otherwise is asking for trouble re respect etc
    if he really cares about losing some games, then don't play the games where that matters
    if it works with both of you, then choose games (e.g. go) where handicapping can actually work
    do other cool shit together
    i'm guessing he acknowledges/is aware that you're better at these things, and he's better at other things?

    I occasionally play some games with my gf where i have a huge edge. We are both aware of this. And it's fun anyway, but only cos she doesn't mind losing too much, but absolutely froths over the occasional win she gets

    three cents
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    handicapping is best suggestion in the thread thus far imo. not only does it make "winning" attainable to both of you, he'd be able to see he's (likely) improving as the handicap needs to be decreased over time. Only problem is if the mere fact that you have a handicap already makes him butthurt, which we've now clearly established he wants no part of receiving
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    If two guys in a relationship get into a relationship fight is it common for the argument to come to blows?

    I'm SOOO funny with my words!

    But seriously, is it common for a relationship argument to become a fist fight or would two aggressive guys like that not end up in a relationship?


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    I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Give him advice on how to get better, so the games get closer. If he doesn't want to get any better just stop playing games.
    I've almost lost some friends like that
    People who are bad don't want to be reminded that they are bad. And sometimes there doesn't seem to be a good way to tell someone how to improve. If they are not competitively minded you are just one giant buzzkill to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    Actually, yes.

    Well I haven't played brood war in years but I doubt much has changed since then. Historically PvZ was played 1 base vs 2 bases which for many years favored zerg in that matchup (2 bases vs 3 bases is roughly equal.) Eventually protoss players figured out various building/obstacle/structure combinations that were zergling proof, and thus allowed a quick expand while still being able to defend against a speedling run by. This always included an early forge (ideally nexus first to counter hatch first builds, and forge first to counter 9 pool), however, some maps had various mineral/obstacle structures that made cannon rushing a legit strategy. For example block off an area behind certain specific zerg natural expansions with a pylon and put a cannon back there and it was pretty much untouchable early in the game. Of course this accounted for a very small percent of actual games.

    edit: talking about the original of course. I still know that game better than SC2 even though I played the latter for a while as well
    That's interesting, I've never played BW, but yah in SC2 you might open forge first instead of nexus which puts you slightly behind against anything but hatch first, but if you're somehow decent at cannon rushing you should at the very least be able to force a cancel. Nowadays there's a 4hatch before pool opening that's gaining popularity so I sometimes throw in a pylon/cannon block that has gone out of style a year ago because it's bad but most zergs have forgotten why it's bad, so it's good again.


    And to complete the derail: here's the best cannon rush I've seen all year:
    http://www.twitch.tv/statdrive/b/420416030?t=4h01m30s
    If timestamp doesn't work, skip to 4:01:30
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    Oh, and to the original question: when I play the common folk I still use my strategy I've learned but I have fun with it. Like I'll gamb00l more than I should or play a more aggressive style that's out of my comfort zone. I never ever nit it up because people wouldn't even like that if you don't know what you're doing, it's no fun for you or anyone else.


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    I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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    play games like risk and just tell him he runs bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    my thoughts on the game issue:
    play your best when you play, doing otherwise is asking for trouble re respect etc
    if he really cares about losing some games, then don't play the games where that matters
    if it works with both of you, then choose games (e.g. go) where handicapping can actually work
    do other cool shit together
    i'm guessing he acknowledges/is aware that you're better at these things, and he's better at other things?

    I occasionally play some games with my gf where i have a huge edge. We are both aware of this. And it's fun anyway, but only cos she doesn't mind losing too much, but absolutely froths over the occasional win she gets

    three cents
    this, basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    And to complete the derail: here's the best cannon rush I've seen all year:
    http://www.twitch.tv/statdrive/b/420416030?t=4h01m30s
    If timestamp doesn't work, skip to 4:01:30
    yeah, no timestamp, but that was ssssick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    I know what you mean. One of the best natural highs is constantly losing something but not giving up, and finally winning it. It's awesome in any kind of game. It actually sucks when things are too easy, especially in turn-based RPGs (god, the beginnings of every Final Fantasy is just rapidly pressing the button through battles), so I imagine that's what it would be like if I had mastered everything.
    Try the original Final Fantasy for NES. Granted you can beat Garland (first boss) at level 1 with no danger, but there are a lot of bosses in the game that require good strategy and optimization. There are also a lot of dangerous random encounters. If you don't know the game extremely well you will die. A lot.

    Set battle speed to 8 on the start menu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    yeah, no timestamp, but that was ssssick.
    That was pretty funny.
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    JD - if you want to talk more about it, feel free to PM me. Personally I think queer/gender theory is insanely fascinating and everyone should at least be somewhat acquainted with it. It's not an alienating topic either. It's relevant to virtually every human on the planet.

    I think the whole thing behind not wanting someone to go easy on you is that it feels like a lack of respect. Not an overall respect, but respect for your abilities in that moment. The need to excel has propelled me to do some really retarded time wasting shit. Let's just say Sporcle.com + Pokemon + Me = A skill never to ever go on any future resume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    Try the original Final Fantasy for NES. Granted you can beat Garland (first boss) at level 1 with no danger, but there are a lot of bosses in the game that require good strategy and optimization. There are also a lot of dangerous random encounters. If you don't know the game extremely well you will die. A lot.

    Set battle speed to 8 on the start menu.
    Interesting. I did start playing that but I was emulating it and stopped using that computer soon after, so it fell through. I wouldn't mind going back to it. I'm currently playing FFIV on my phone. Older games tend to be good like that. Breath of Fire 2 was fucking great and fairly challenging, if I remember correctly. Chrono Trigger was relatively easier but the battles were always so damn fun for some reason. Marle's Haste always felt sooo cheap though. What else was good... Oh! Speaking of simple but challenging: Earthbound! Earthbound was a fucking fantastic game on all fronts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    Interesting. I did start playing that but I was emulating it and stopped using that computer soon after, so it fell through. I wouldn't mind going back to it. I'm currently playing FFIV on my phone. Older games tend to be good like that. Breath of Fire 2 was fucking great and fairly challenging, if I remember correctly. Chrono Trigger was relatively easier but the battles were always so damn fun for some reason. Marle's Haste always felt sooo cheap though. What else was good... Oh! Speaking of simple but challenging: Earthbound! Earthbound was a fucking fantastic game on all fronts.
    The original FF is one of my old favorite games. Try the party fighter/fighter/red mage/white mage. The fighter duo makes the game a lot easier (put them in front), red mage is just generally solid and has key spells (FIR2, FAST, et al.) as does the white mage. You can use HRM with the white mage to deal with packs of undead monsters early in the game. S/he also gets a lot of other useful spells, and there is a point midway through the game where you can get an item called the zeus gauntlet, which when used as an item in battle acts as LIT2. It gives the white mage a good general attack for the second part of the game. There are other good parties of course, but that is a good one to get started with.

    Chrono Trigger and FFIV are also great games. I have probably played through CT once or twice and FFIV a few more times.

    I never played BoF2 or Earthbound. Might check those out when I have a little more time.
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    I'll play it soon enough. I'm always looking for new handheld games especially because I commute a lot. Thanks for the advice though. Yeah, a party comprised of half melee, a quarter magic offense and a quarter magic healing sounds like a good way to go. :P

    Breath of Fire 2 is a great game. It's a little bit childish but in a quirky, unique way. It was good in the way of weapons and item upgrades, fun battles, interesting world and characters to navigate amongst.

    Earthbound is in a league of its own. It's an incredibly strange game with a lot of meta-humor. I mean, this is just one of many strange enemies you fight: http://lparchive.org/Earthbound/Update%2018/22-s17.jpg You play as Ness, who was also a playable character in the Smash Bros. games. This game has a really odd mix of humor, but I'd overall call it absurdist. Absurd, strange, and very funny.
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    JKDS - you should totally tell him the whole, "get better or stop playing", but, in a more gentle joking type of matter. When my boyfran wants me to play video games with him, and I'm like, "I suck at this, I hate it, and it makes me angry and gr", he gives me similar lines of, "Well, if you don't play any you won't get any better at it." It doesn't work on me, 'cause I'd rather do something else than play video games.

    However - I did purchase some MtG cards before xmas, he got me some Hello Kitty sleeves, and he beat my ass a lot in that, but only cause he has a massive deck of win. A few days ago we were at a friends place, they were playing MtG, and the frand has a new girlfrand now that plays loads of video games, and boyfran and frand were saying how they need to get her to come play cards with 'em, and then boyfran looks over at me, and was like, "And you need to get your damn cards out!". He doesn't take it easy on me either when we play - and I get angry, and want to physically harm him, but I don't, and I realize I just need to strategize better. Still makes me angry, though. Oh well, at least he got me some hello kitty sleeves.
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    omg lol Magic the Gathering. I want to play that again so bad. I've only played one real game, ripped out of my skull. But it was good times.

    Last card games I used to seriously play were Pokemon in elementary school, and the Sailor Moon card game every Thursday with my two friends at the local comic book shop in 6th grade. I was very, very cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    omg lol Magic the Gathering. I want to play that again so bad. I've only played one real game, ripped out of my skull. But it was good times.

    Last card games I used to seriously play were Pokemon in elementary school, and the Sailor Moon card game every Thursday with my two friends at the local comic book shop in 6th grade. I was very, very cool.
    I para-RPed online 'til I was in my late teens. I was the coolest. I never really played card games before, or any games for that manner.
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    When you say para-rp, do you mean forum-based prose roleplays? Like each person has a character and continues the story by actually writing it out? 'Cause uhhh I totally did that too. All the time. Moonwings.com represent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    When you say para-rp, do you mean forum-based prose roleplays? Like each person has a character and continues the story by actually writing it out? 'Cause uhhh I totally did that too. All the time. Moonwings.com represent.
    Lol - yes, I mean that. Cept I did it real-time in rooms, til they were shut down. I also did the forum RP. It did teach me better typing skills. My grammar is also better than a lot of people I know, but, ah well. Commas still confuse me, and I probably use too many of them. Oh well.
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    Well, I would let my friend choose the activity, it would probably not even be a game and it would probably be more entertaining. Some people are better at making money, staying in shape, or bettering themselves or society and would consider game playing low on the scale of their worthwhile endeavors. I would choose to play against a computer versus playing a human if their skill level is not up to your standards.
    I know when I play tennis I just practice hitting the ball back and forth to another player keeping no score. Sometimes, the people I play cannot even hit a tennis ball, so I hit the ball directly to them and I am stuck chasing the return they hit all over kingdom come getting a good workout in. I do not need to let them know they are not a good tennis player. If I wanted my tennis fix, I would look elsewhere. If you want your game fix, I'd suggest likewise.
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    Growing up with two brothers I learned from a young age that, with video games at least, you have to let them win sometimes so that they can enjoy playing against you. I threw a lot of games back in the day and still do against my kids and stuff. I do in fact have a competitive streak in me but it's intermittent, suffice to say the W isn't everything and just playing and having fun is generally more important.

    I had exactly one question about jkds saying 'bf' (is jkds a girl?) and it got answered.
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    Growing up with two brothers I learned from a young age that, with video games at least, you have to let them win sometimes so that they can enjoy playing against you. I threw a lot of games back in the day and still do against my kids and stuff. I do in fact have a competitive streak in me but it's intermittent, suffice to say the W isn't everything and just playing and having fun is generally more important.
    There's just absolutely no challenge in that though.

    The sense of achievement I got when I started beating my dad at stuff (he'd never let me win) is so much better than if he'd have let me win. Also teaches you to think about how you get better at stuff and learning. There will be times when the person losing will get annoyed and angry, as a kid especially, but it teaches you to deal with it.

    It also teaches you not to be a fgt who goes "ohh it's the fun of playing not winning" which is the most important thing.
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    There's just absolutely no challenge in that though.

    The sense of achievement I got when I started beating my dad at stuff (he'd never let me win) is so much better than if he'd have let me win. Also teaches you to think about how you get better at stuff and learning. There will be times when the person losing will get annoyed and angry, as a kid especially, but it teaches you to deal with it.

    It also teaches you not to be a fgt who goes "ohh it's the fun of playing not winning" which is the most important thing.
    Meh, my older brother was never that big on video games so he never stood a chance. There's quite a challenge in throwing a game without making it obvious, and it's not like I did it all the time. Plus, there was a tipping point around the 6th or 7th loss where he'd just punch me lol

    On your argument that winning is the most important thing, you're way off. Take chess - would you rather hulksmash your 6 year old niece 10 times in a row, or have 10 close matches (that you lose) against a better opponent? That's why winning isn't everything.

    Some of the most fun I've had online have been matches I've lost - but admittedly, I was trying my damn hardest in each of them (no mercy for randoms!).
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    I never said winning is the most important thing.

    I'd also rather have a very close game and lose than batter someone at something, but I'm not going to let people beat me so it's more fun for them. If I was playing chess with someone who was young I wouldn't try to beat them as soon as possible, I'd try to teach them as we played but they wouldn't win until they got good enough to beat me.

    The people who say winning doesn't matter shouldn't care when they lose, because winning doesn't matter. The people who do care about winning should be trying to get better enough to beat me. If they are a sore loser I just wouldn't play with them.

    If I'm losing at something I may get pissed off with myself, but I don't start crying to the person beating me.
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    If I'm losing at something I may get pissed off with myself, but I don't start crying to the person beating me.
    Will you be my brother?

    I've never thrown a board game (especially chess) and I rarely care when I lose at anything. Except mariokart because it's so random, fuck them blue shells.

    Fuck. Them.
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    I remember reading a Russian botter complaining on 2+2 about Party confiscating all his GF's roll. Thee sexist bitches found it implausible for her to have been crashing nl25 with no previous experience and have played 200k hands in a month.
    If things were to magically revert to January 1st, 2003, only I could take everything I know now in terms of poker ability/knowledge, bonus clearing, etc., I think it's safe to say that it would be trivially easy to make over a million dollars.
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    Will you be my brother?
    I'd fucking ruin you on computer games.

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    I'd fucking ruin you on computer games.

    If I let you
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    This is a really interesting thread.

    I am ultra competitive and I am also a really sore loser, which is never a good mix.

    If I don't think I am very good at something, like darts, I don't mind losing (unless the person I am playing is a bad winner). However, if I feel I am above average at any given game/sport, I just can't take losing.

    Me & my best friend have had so many fights after a game of Fifa that we just don't play against each other anymore. Whilst I miss the competition of playing him, I wouldn't put our friendship on the line for the sake of a computer game.
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    I remember reading a Russian botter complaining on 2+2 about Party confiscating all his GF's roll. Thee sexist bitches found it implausible for her to have been crashing nl25 with no previous experience and have played 200k hands in a month.
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    Tanes flipped me, turns out I like 'em big(ish)
    we can blame triptanes? sweet! i'm in.


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    To help polish the idea that I don't care about the result of winning or losing: If I'm competing alone, I'm alone by some artifice of a game or competition. If it's an artifice, I'm going to need a reason to respect it.

    So if I'm playing tennis, or a card game, or nhl the roaring 20s, it depends on why I'm at this alone that governs how dedicated I am to the result. Even if the competition is test taking. So for poker, or exams, it's easy for me to see why I am at, for tennis or video games, there's nothing. Someone has just found a reason to put me against you, and I don't need to engage.

    For team sports, I can get into them really deeply. Because competition of us versus them is so much easier to slip into. The stupidity of rules means less before the enjoyment of team cohesion, the difficulty of sync'd minds and bodies, the test of helping everyone get to the best result possible, and that dream of being more than our rudimentary parts.

    In werewolf, for example, I used to love being part of the village in the struggle of the scattered many against the murderous and well-informed few. I never took to the wolf side quite the same but I always enjoyed trying to form the 'we' in a game that's fundamentally built around natural suspicion of everyone.

    In fact, when I was a wolf, it was easy for me to think about how much better it is for the village to win and just roll with it. Players should be able to recognize that after villager wins, people usually want to fire up a new game, but after wolf wins there is a lag period where everyone recharges their batteries. I'd like to believe I was always part of team villager when I played.

    So I guess my position isn't my taking to good clean fun as much as it is a desire to be a part of 'we' that just isn't in a lot of single competition. And if the single competition alone doesn't offer any merit to achieving the result, I disconnect.
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    So Jkids, how 'bout you and your brofriend play competitively together *awww*
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    Interesting how different all of our motivations can be. For me, two games back I got a bit bored because I figured it was going to be near impossible for a wolf team to fool the regulars anymore. Main reason to keep playing was to hope to roll wolf and see if I could fake being a villager consistent with my normal play. Then the game after, the wolves won and this was awesome and very motivational for me to play more.

    But yeah I'm not impervious to the enjoyment factor either. If everyone hates a game you win at, noone is going to want to play again. I remember when me and the group I occasionally play board games with pooled some money together to buy a few new ones. One was a card game, I quickly thought up an optimal strategy and won the first two games. We never played it again. Our big purchase was a fantasy strategy game. After 2 games me and my buddy thought up a winning strategy when you start with the Norse, after that we tried to sell the game on ebay but nobody wanted it. I can totally play for social reasons and not try my best too, but that's mostly when playing with people who don't care to win much themselves, when the game is more a filler for a meet-up.
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    Wow, maybe I'm lucky that I naturally suck at games so this isn't an issue. I always try to play 'optimally' and my wife usually just sits down green and beats me by doing basic stuff.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    Update: I went with the "just man-up" approach, plus the "you either have to try and get better than me, or accept that im better" approach. I wouldnt say either went over very well, but neither did it cause any kind of relationship friction.

    He explained to me a few nights ago that, to him, a win is a win. He seems to not think a victory that I gave him is one to look down on, so I'm going to try just letting him win a few times and see what happens.
  51. #126
    A win is a win even if he didn't earn it. That shows he has no real competitive spirit and only plays for the social aspect. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I wouldn't push it anymore to get him to be competitive. Or at least not really expect him to change.
  52. #127
    Funny this got bumped, was just thinking of this thread today.

    I think the worst form of this is in games in which sabotage is a big part of what makes the game what it is. For example, in the basketball game "knock out", there are people who will get upset or give you scorn if you purposefully bump another player's ball. Dude, it's a competitive, winner takes all, hectic, but silly game. This isn't fucking hackey sack; you should be absolutely ruthless, and if you're not, you're doing it wrong.
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    Haha. I guess, when it comes to competitive games, I'm either teaching someone else, teaching myself or playing to win except in vary rare circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    So Jkids, how 'bout you and your brofriend play competitively together *awww*
    We've actually had the most fun doing this o.o

    There's a marval deck building game and this lord of the rings game that are co-op and that ended up being a pretty good night.
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    Sick bump, JKDS.
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    Please keep your opinions on who he's bumping to yourself, we're trying to cultivate a tolerant forum here
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    You keep me grounded, kiwi, and I thank you for it.

    JKDS, I meant to say that I respect you as a person and tolerate this thread you've shared.
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    You worded that so delicately that it sounds like you're insulting him!
  59. #134
    he didn't put footnotes explaining that it's facetious, so we should take it as sincere.
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    I know that he is being mostly sincere. Rilla is formulating his opinion in the most correct way, I was just having a little fun with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    he didn't put footnotes explaining that it's facetious, so we should take it as sincere.[1]
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    Too late!
  63. #138
    Wait, what? JKDS is a bummer?
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    If you crush your bf so much, either lose some weight or let him go on top
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    I don't think going on top works like that with man on man. I might just be lacking the required imagination though.
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