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    w.r.t. the $4 thing. Minimum wage includes tips. Most restaurants pay 1/2 or less of the stated minimum wage and law says everyone has to declare their tips for tax purposes, which are deducted from the wage on each paycheck. The law says that if an employee making tips earns less than minimum wage after tips, the employer is required to supplement their pay up to the legal minimum wage. I've never heard of that happening, despite my many years working in various restaurants. This isn't because employers are breaking the law. It's because I've never heard of anyone who works for tips making less than minimum wage in their tips alone.
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    I've worked for tips and I've had co workers who neglected to keep track of their tips (as did I), and most likely overestimated how much they made in tips.
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    This is what islamophobia begets

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    Fox news disabled comments on all videos relating to the New Zealand mosque shooting. I don't think it was because of all the condolences.
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...fraser_anning/

    +4500 upvote thread on the Donald Trump fan subreddit states that the real reason this shooting has happened is because muslims in New Zealand exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    This is what islamophobia begets.
    This is extremism, this isn't mere Islamopobia. If an Islamic attack happens, and I post a link, you would, rightly, point out that it's an extremist minority, that it doesn't represetn Islam. Well, this doesn't represent Islamophobia. This represents evil hatred.

    This is, thankfully, very rare. Muslims are safe in our countries, unlike Christians in Muslim countries.

    Notice how New Zealand is grieving. All of New Zealand. Nobody is celebrating this, not except dark corners of the internet.

    This happened because there's extremists on all sides. Despite this, Muslims are still safe in NZ, UK, USA, as equally safe as non-Muslims are. We all have to live under the threat of terrorism. It's an overall minor threat that doesn't impact on everyday life.

    Meanwhile, around the world... 11 Christians Killed Every Day

    Is Christianophobia a word?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This is extremism, this isn't mere Islamopobia. If an Islamic attack happens, and I post a link, you would, rightly, point out that it's an extremist minority, that it doesn't represetn Islam. Well, this doesn't represent Islamophobia. This represents evil hatred.

    This is, thankfully, very rare. Muslims are safe in our countries, unlike Christians in Muslim countries.

    Notice how New Zealand is grieving. All of New Zealand. Nobody is celebrating this, not except dark corners of the internet.

    This happened because there's extremists on all sides. Despite this, Muslims are still safe in NZ, UK, USA, as equally safe as non-Muslims are. We all have to live under the threat of terrorism. It's an overall minor threat that doesn't impact on everyday life.

    Meanwhile, around the world... 11 Christians Killed Every Day

    Is Christianophobia a word?
    Your link is from Open Doors USA

    In review, Open Doors’ primary mission is to empower Christians who are persecuted for their beliefs. They do this through providing financial help and Bibles to those in countries with significant Christian minorities. They also report news about Christian persecutions around the world. For example, in this article: A DARK REALITY—CHRISTIAN WOMEN IN 73 COUNTRIES FACE HIDDEN PERSECUTION EVERY DAY, they write a detailed and compelling account of persecution of Christians, but they do not provide a single link or source to validate these claims. Sadly, these claims may be true, but the reader has no way of knowing without further unnecessary research. In another article that you can view here, they again do not provide linked evidence, but rather offer prayers.


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    Is Christianophobia a word?
    Media bias is a thing though
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    Media bias is a thing though
    On this we agree.

    Your link is from Open Doors USA
    Fair enough, but persecution of Christians is certainly a thing, and it goes undereported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    On this we agree.



    Fair enough, but persecution of Christians is certainly a thing, and it goes undereported.

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    These people are not free, not by the standards of freedom we take for granted in the West.
    You make that sound like msm is somehow deliberately underreporting on crimes against christians when most likely they're just not reporting on Mauritanian politics ever because there's no demand for that.

    Also the knee jerk "buh buh buht muslims also bad sometimes" is at best whataboutism, and in the case of shithead racists like Fraser Anning - a justification for murdering muslims... because if you don't murder them, they will "replace whites" because of how much "we really don't understand anything about population dynamics."
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    "buh buh buht muslims also bad sometimes"
    It's not really "sometimes" though, not in the context of terrorist attacks. It's "usually". I'm no longer shocked when there's an Islamic attack. This has shocked me. That's because I'm not yet desensitised to Muslims getting shot in Western countries, not least a peaceful place like NZ.

    I've no idea who Fraser Anning is but if he justifies the murder of Muslims then he's what I would call an extremist and should probably be kept an eye on.
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    The other night, as a sort of psycho-cultural experiment, I tried to watch “The Usual Suspects,” for many years one of my favorite movies.

    I couldn’t do it.

    I stopped less than two minutes in. The film is brilliantly done and has long fascinated me. I used to quote the dialogue all the time. I’m pretty sure I’ll never again quote a single line. All because the film stars Kevin Spacey and was directed by Bryan Singer, both of whom have come down hard as the #MeToo movement storms through the entertainment industry.

    Much to my surprise, I seem to have joined what has come to be called “cancel culture.”

    Cancel culture is as hotly debated as it is variously defined. At its heart, the term refers to editing one’s own awareness of the world of popular culture, to eliminate from active consciousness the works of those who have been credibly accused of doing terrible things to other people — particularly when they have faced few or no legal consequences.

    Amanda Marcotte, writing recently in Salon, puts it this way: “We can’t make them go to jail, the thinking goes, but we can take them off our screens and out of our headphones. It’s an attempt to assert control over a situation where victims and their allies often have none.”

    The occasion for Marcotte’s reflection was the back-to-back releases of Lifetime’s “Surviving R. Kelly” and HBO’s “Leaving Neverland” — a sad coincidence that has occasioned a great deal of soul searching. Over at the Ringer, a headline asks: “Can the Music of Michael Jackson and R. Kelly Be Canceled?”

    This is cancel culture at its best: an appeal at once to the individual’s conscience and aesthetic sensibility. The effort is not to force anyone’s judgment on anyone else; rather, the effort is to discipline the self to set aside an affinity for that which is now tainted. Viewed this way, cancel culture falls within a long tradition of stoical movements that disdained part or all of the larger world. The very inwardness of cancel culture creates its moral appeal.

    The movement becomes more insidious, however, when it marches beyond the borders of nonparticipation and into the realm of prohibition. This has arguably happened in young adult fiction, where social media campaigns can lead to the postponement or even cancellation of a title. That’s a bad result, in part because books themselves, in their infinitely provocative diversity, are a good; but also because the movement is then engaged in trying to make unavailable to everybody else whatever its own members would prefer not to read. History teaches that “No one should have access to the things I hate” is a dangerous claim.

    Better by far to leave the choice to the individual. Last month, New York magazine listed what it considered the best movies streaming on Netflix. Two of them — “L. A. Confidential” and “Seven” — feature Kevin Spacey. Omitting them, either from Vulture’s list or Netflix’s library, would have been peculiar. Both are excellent pieces of work; and they are not less excellent because of the credible accusations leveled against one of their stars.

    But even if no less excellent, a film might become less watchable. Some viewers will see this as the place to make a stand; others will not. What matters is that the viewer be allowed to make the choice.

    And those choices can be difficult. “Am I a bad person if I still watch Woody Allen movies?” a worried fan asked last year on Quora. Allen was once among the most honored directors in the world, and his oeuvre has brought me considerable pleasure over the years, but nowadays a lot of people are ready to pledge never to watch another one of his films. 1

    On the other hand, Jeva Lange, writing in The Week, argues that there’s a crucial difference between boycotting a singer’s music and boycotting a director’s films. A solo singer is, in effect, the entire production — certainly from the point of view of the consumer. A film, she contends, is different; there isn’t really a single auteur: “To summarily dismiss ‘Woody Allen films’ because Allen himself is accused of despicable behavior is to also inadvertently write off the symphonic city shots of Gordon Willis in ‘Manhattan,’ the zany costumes designed by Ruth Morley for ‘Annie Hall,’ or the underrated Ingrid Bergman-esque performance by Geraldine Page in ‘Interiors.’”

    And Lange adds a caution, made urgent by the #MeToo moment: “Perhaps you believe that one bad apple spoils the barrel; I would strongly caution that this dismissal often brushes off the contributions particularly of women, whose incredible work is all too frequently in non-directorial positions.”

    Moreover, if we boycott the director, shall we boycott the producer as well? Consider the case of Harvey Weinstein, the accusations against whom are perhaps the most compelling. But he helped produce one critically acclaimed film after another — including “Pulp Fiction,” “Good Will Hunting,” and “Shakespeare in Love” — and had a hand in some of Broadway’s most important productions, including “Frost/Nixon” and “The Producers.” If we don’t watch what Allen directed, should we also not watch what Weinstein produced?

    Moreover, even if there are artists whose work we can no longer stomach, we must be wary of writing them out of history. Consider Michael Jackson, whose 1982 “Thriller” album — and, particularly, the video of the title track, released the following year. The song and the video not only rescued a moribund music industry but arguably brought black music back firmly into a mainstream that was in the process of shoving it to the margins. We can choose never again to listen to his music, but it would be a terrible wrong to pretend that his influence was less than it was.

    I’m not arguing for particular solution to the problem of who should watch or listen to what. I’m arguing only that we leave the judgment to individual fans — in that sense, that we let the market decide.

    Marcotte correctly calls cancel culture “an incoherent and inadequate response to sexual abuse.” But its appeal, she adds, lies in the lack of alternatives: “People turn to it because real justice is elusive.” She’s right. Sometimes, deciding what we can and can’t stomach is the best we can do.
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    Oh, this is Fraser Anning?

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    If you ask people what they think the biggest tree is, most people would probably say the giant redwood tree, or the mountain ash. Some might even say the yellow meranti or the giant sequoia. But you know what I think the biggest tree is? I think it's bigotree!
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