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  1. #24076
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    140/1 sounds like a winning bet to me, you're definitely not rolled enough for those bets though.
    Ofc I'm rolled for it. I can afford to make that bet once a week for 140 weeks, and expect a profit.

    I'm not rolled to make that bet more often, because I don't want to burn more than a fiver on a long shot. That's how I determine if I'm rolled for a bet when it comes to sport... can I afford to lose the bet? I can afford to lose a fiver a week.

    So stop trying to impose your silly poker bankroll rules on my sports betting. In poker, I'm making lots of bets.
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  2. #24077
    (it's actually 139/1 because 140 is the decimal price, but let's not split hairs)
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    The only reason I didn't bet on this fight is because I've never bet on sports and I could't be bothered to figure it out. Someone told me the odds were at 5:1 or something ridiculous like that. With no knowledge of boxing or mma, I'd put half my disposable money on Floyd with these odds. In hindsight maybe good that I didn't... not that I would have... because Connor connected way more than I thought he would. Still did not look like Connor had a realistic chance of winning this.
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  4. #24079
    Floyd was 1/5, not 5/1.
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    ya obv...

    wait, wouldn't it be x/x "in favor of".
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  6. #24081
    1/5 is a fucking amazing price on floyd. holy shit. i was fucking bullish as hell on mcgregor yet i still only gave him 10% probability of winning. last i saw mcgregor was approx 17/1 dog. if you could've gotten 1/5 on floyd bet the fucking mansion.
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    This just in: Boxer beats non-boxer in boxing match
  8. #24083
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    1/5 is a fucking amazing price on floyd. holy shit. i was fucking bullish as hell on mcgregor yet i still only gave him 10% probability of winning. last i saw mcgregor was approx 17/1 dog. if you could've gotten 1/5 on floyd bet the fucking mansion.
    McGregor was 4/1 just before the fight, I dunno where you were getting 17/1 but that's an insane price for a 29 y/o vs a 40 y/o. You sure that wasn't specifying method or round of victory? I specified unanimous points victory for McGregor, hence my long odds.

    Yeah I'd bet the mansion if I could get 1/5 on Floyd while also getting 17/1 on McGregor. Printing money.

    1/5 vs 4/1 though, that isn't free money territory... and that's what Betfair was quoting me (roughly) before I went to bed an hour before the fight when I placed my bet.
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  9. #24084
    Nah I know what your 17/1 is... bookmaker's special offer for new customers, like max £5 bet. They'll pay you in free bets if you win. Something like that. Expanded odds to entice new custom.
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  10. #24085
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    This just in: Boxer beats non-boxer in boxing match
    Yeah I mean it would've been interesting had the non-boxer won.

    Or if the boxer could fight the non-boxer using MMA rules and still win.

    Shit fight really. I don't watch much boxing, nor much MMA, but I've seen a fair bit of both over the last week or so, and MMA is so much more brutal. You hit the canvas in MMA and you're in big fucking trouble. You can get knocked out clean by a kick to the face, and still take a couple more punches to the head while lying on the deck. Meanwhile, in boxing, you can turn your back and the ref will protect you.

    Conor has taken much more serious beatings than what Floyd dished out, and gone on to win.

    I think a lot of MMA fans have come to the conclusion that boxing sucks. Me, I couldn't give a fuck. I might stick a fiver on the next hyped-up fight to make it more interesting. Then again I might just ignore all the nonsense.
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  11. #24086
    The fight was a win all around. Gained fans for both combatants, was one of the more entertaining high profile boxing matches in a while, McGregor surprised most people, and Mayweather was able to flip styles and get a very rare finish for him.

    I'm really not a boxing fan. I mean, I used to be, but MMA is so much better. Boxing gloves and silly ass rules are just silly ass. I wanna see a fucking fight.
  12. #24087
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    McGregor was 4/1 just before the fight, I dunno where you were getting 17/1 but that's an insane price for a 29 y/o vs a 40 y/o. You sure that wasn't specifying method or round of victory? I specified unanimous points victory for McGregor, hence my long odds.

    Yeah I'd bet the mansion if I could get 1/5 on Floyd while also getting 17/1 on McGregor. Printing money.

    1/5 vs 4/1 though, that isn't free money territory... and that's what Betfair was quoting me (roughly) before I went to bed an hour before the fight when I placed my bet.
    It was a bad bet then, he was never winning on points. Ever. The judges literally 0% putting it that way.
  13. #24088
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    It was a bad bet then, he was never winning on points. Ever. The judges literally 0% putting it that way.
    140 is a lot of fights, it only would have to happen once. Mayweather pulls a muscle or something, can't move well, but can just defend himself enough to keep from getting knocked out.

    As for 1/5 for Mayweather winning, if I had known that I'd have laid a grand on it. It was more like 1/20 imo. Do you have any idea what kind of shape you need to be in to fight ten rounds against a top pro? Those guys are sick fit. I'm not saying McGregor isn't in shape, but he never had to fight more than what, 15 minutes per fight? Compare that to 30 using boxing muscles it's a big difference.

    Floyd being 40 is kinda like Ali being 35. He's still in pretty damn good shape.

    Just watching the films too, McGregor wasn't much of a boxer imo.


    You might as well take the world's best basketball player and put him up against the world's best baseball players at baseball and see how well he does. Oh wait, someone tried that once.
  14. #24089
    I understand very well thanks and it just doesn't happen. Mayweather probably loses the fight around 1% of the time and that is on points 0.05% of the time due to the judges. If judged fairly yes it happens more but he would have to basically win by a 10 point gap to scrape a points win. He won the first two rounds and not one judge had him up in either of them.

    The money to be made in this fight was on mayweather.
  15. #24090
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    He won the first two rounds and not one judge had him up in either of them.
    What are you talking about? Every judge gave McG the first round. And no-one is saying the scorecards were unfair (except for you, who seems to have assumed before the fact they would be unfair, and now are making up facts to support that idea).
  16. #24091
    As for 1/5 for Mayweather winning, if I had known that I'd have laid a grand on it. It was more like 1/20 imo. Do you have any idea what kind of shape you need to be in to fight ten rounds against a top pro? Those guys are sick fit. I'm not saying McGregor isn't in shape, but he never had to fight more than what, 15 minutes per fight? Compare that to 30 using boxing muscles it's a big difference.
    If Mayweather was 29, I'd agree with this. Clearly Conor is in shape, and in good enough shape to compete for the first 25 minutes, which is how long he might fight for in MMA. After that, it's youth vs experience. That was Floyd's plan, excuted to perfection... let him wear himself out, take control in the later stages. But it's risky because who knows how fit Conor is? He's in his physical prime, he could've been fitter than Floyd. And that's why I felt the odds were appealing.

    Having seen the fight, I now wouldn't make that bet again. I had no idea if Conor could box and manage the fight. He could do the former, but not the latter.
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  17. #24092
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    The money to be made in this fight was on mayweather.
    Yeah if you're willing to take big risks. I could've stuck a fiver on him finishing Conor in the tenth, and I'd be sitting here with something like £30. Hardly going to run to the pub with that in hand.

    One day, I get lucky with my long shot. That day, I can buy myself some new clothes, get myself an ounce of weed, go to the pub, maybe even treat myself to a little sniff. I could put a fiver in a jar every week and do that every couple of years, but when I run out of weed, that jar is getting raided.
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  18. #24093
    As for 1/5 for Mayweather winning, if I had known that I'd have laid a grand on it. It was more like 1/20 imo.
    What's this "imo" bollocks? I saw the odds an hour before the fight. I'm not talking about my opinion, I'm talking about my memory.

    Floyd was 1/5, Conor 4/1 (approx). If Floyd was 1/20, then Conor would be at least 15/1 and an appealing bet for the win by any means. I'd have probably split my bet if I could get that price, like £2 on the win and £3 by unanimous decision.
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  19. #24094
    Sticking a grand on Mayweather at 1/5 would be a fine bet if you could afford to write off that grand. I'm not saying those odds aren't appealing if you can afford to take those risks.

    But they're not appealing odds for small time punters like me. I don't have an interest in winning a pound.
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  20. #24095
    It's also worth noting you will almost always get better odds on betfair exchange than anywhere else. Not from 1/20 to 1/5, but maybe you'd be getting 1/8 or worse at Ladbrokes, for example.
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  21. #24096
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    What's this "imo" bollocks? I saw the odds an hour before the fight. I'm not talking about my opinion, I'm talking about my memory.

    Floyd was 1/5, Conor 4/1 (approx). If Floyd was 1/20, then Conor would be at least 15/1 and an appealing bet for the win by any means. I'd have probably split my bet if I could get that price, like £2 on the win and £3 by unanimous decision.
    What I meant was McG's chances were about 1/20 of winning that fight 'imo'. That means 'in my opinion'.

    I wouldn't bet on much of anything getting 1/20. But if I thought the odds were 1/20 and I was getting offered 1/5 I'd bet on it. You follow?
  22. #24097
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If Mayweather was 29, I'd agree with this. Clearly Conor is in shape, and in good enough shape to compete for the first 25 minutes, which is how long he might fight for in MMA. After that, it's youth vs experience. That was Floyd's plan, excuted to perfection... let him wear himself out, take control in the later stages. But it's risky because who knows how fit Conor is? He's in his physical prime, he could've been fitter than Floyd. And that's why I felt the odds were appealing.

    Having seen the fight, I now wouldn't make that bet again. I had no idea if Conor could box and manage the fight. He could do the former, but not the latter.
    Sure he's in shape, but he's not a boxer. They have to be in a different kind of shape because they're using different muscles, or more specifically, they're using the same muscles for a longer time than an MMA guy who has to use all different kinds of muscles at different times. Makes a difference.

    Basically, if you took today's top decathlete, and ran him against all the top athletes in each individual sport, even if the latter were a few years past their prime, they'd still win almost every time. They all train on one sport relentlessly, the decathlete trains on all of them.
  23. #24098
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If Mayweather was 29, I'd agree with this. Clearly Conor is in shape, and in good enough shape to compete for the first 25 minutes
    According to the scorecards, he only competed for the first nine minutes. But we all know the scoring was rigged 'cause Savy said so.
  24. #24099
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    According to the scorecards, he only competed for the first nine minutes. But we all know the scoring was rigged 'cause Savy said so.
    I was actually misinformed/misheard what was said from someone talking about it on a radio show.

    Also not thinking that boxing judging is rigged lol
    Also not thinking that boxing judging in a fight that would shame boxing if the boxer lost isn't rigged lol

    All of what I said still holds completely true just maybe he'd have to win by 6 points to scrape a points win on the judges cards.

    Instead of him being 6 points up after 2 rounds like everyone scored the fight he was 2 points up. After 3 rounds he was 1 point up when he'd won the first two rounds and the third wasn't really in anyone's favour.
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  25. #24100
    Nobody said boxing judging was NEVER rigged, I was talking about that specific fight and so were you.

    Now your story is that he won the second round too and zomgrigged 'cause only one judge agreed with you.
  26. #24101
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    What I meant was McG's chances were about 1/20 of winning that fight 'imo'. That means 'in my opinion'.

    I wouldn't bet on much of anything getting 1/20. But if I thought the odds were 1/20 and I was getting offered 1/5 I'd bet on it. You follow?
    Gotcha.

    I think though you're exaggerating if you think his real odds are 1/20. Conor caught him a few times, in the first with an uppercut. If that lands better, it's game over.

    Thing with Conor is, he's an animal. He's capable of knocking anyone out if he hits them right, and he has absolutely no fear. I doubt there's a single person in the world who, in a disciplined fight, is legit 1/20 fave to beat McGregor.
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  27. #24102
    Bruce Lee vs McGregor... I'll give Bruce a legit 1/100.

    And obviously Chuck Norris is 1/infinity.

    Otherwise... the pool is thin.
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  28. #24103
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Gotcha.

    I think though you're exaggerating if you think his real odds are 1/20. Conor caught him a few times, in the first with an uppercut. If that lands better, it's game over.

    I don't know about 1/20, I just pulled it out of my ass really. But I'm pretty sure 1/5 is being generous.

    And McG has to do more than 'almost' hit him hard enough. There's a lot of guys who 'almost' hit Floyd and 'almost' beat him 'if only'.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Thing with Conor is, he's an animal. He's capable of knocking anyone out if he hits them right, and he has absolutely no fear. I doubt there's a single person in the world who, in a disciplined fight, is legit 1/20 fave to beat McGregor.
    I would take whoever the current same-weight boxing champ is on that one. Save a fiver for me and I'll pay you a hundred if it happens.
  29. #24104
    And McG has to do more than 'almost' hit him hard enough. There's a lot of guys who 'almost' hit Floyd and 'almost' beat him 'if only'.
    True.
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  30. #24105
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Nobody said boxing judging was NEVER rigged, I was talking about that specific fight and so were you.

    Now your story is that he won the second round too and zomgrigged 'cause only one judge agreed with you.
    I said both in my original post you egit.
  31. #24106
    also I reckon if I trained to be a boxer for the next 5 years I'd beat Mayweather at the level he was in this fight. Odds on this ong?

    I'd have like 20cm in height and like 75+lbs on him. Easy win for me imo.

    edit - I'd lose in a UFC fight with Mcgregor with the same stipulations though.
    Last edited by Savy; 08-29-2017 at 07:19 AM.
  32. #24107
    Show me some youtube footage of you fighting so I can determine how much of an animal you are...
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  33. #24108
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    I said both in my original post you egit.
    Hey. Chuckles.

    You were wrong in your original post, got it pointed out to you, and still tried to argue. Give it up.
  34. #24109
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    also I reckon if I trained to be a boxer for the next 5 years I'd beat Mayweather at the level he was in this fight. Odds on this ong?

    I'd have like 20cm in height and like 75+lbs on him. Easy win for me imo.

    edit - I'd lose in a UFC fight with Mcgregor with the same stipulations though.
    I'd bet 100/1 you wouldn't land a single punch.
  35. #24110
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Hey. Chuckles.

    You were wrong in your original post, got it pointed out to you, and still tried to argue. Give it up.
    3+3=9

    you're a faggot

    See, some of a post can be wrong whilst the rest is still perfectly correct.
  36. #24111
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Show me some youtube footage of you fighting so I can determine how much of an animal you are...
    I'm a pussy. When does weight & height become the main factor though? I imagine the best boxer ever at 150lb wouldn't touch most professional boxers at 180lbs. So would good amatuer boxers weighing 200lbs beat him?
  37. #24112
    I mean watch the fight. McGregor has easily 10 lbs on Mayweather, orangutan arms, and never landed a solid punch. He tried to jab and outpoint him which would be a reasonable strategy if you were him, so Mayweather had to get inside his reach and fight in a way he never does.

    McG had no defense, held his hands too far apart and too low. He kept getting hit with lead rights - I mean that's embarrassing if you're fighting someone in their 20s but Mayweather is 40 ffs and obv. past his prime.

    You can make an argument that McG won the first three rounds but only because Mayweather didn't throw enough. And McG kept hitting him behind the head which goes to show he couldn't control his MMA genes.

    After round 4, there was nothing McG could do but try not to get knocked out. Mayweather did what he had to win, and it worked for him. Nothing in the rules said he had to look good doing it.
  38. #24113
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    3+3=9

    you're a faggot

    See, some of a post can be wrong whilst the rest is still perfectly correct.
    So when I point out 3+3=9 is wrong, you're going to come back with some arguments about the rest of your post? 'Cause that's what happened.
  39. #24114
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    I'm a pussy. When does weight & height become the main factor though? I imagine the best boxer ever at 150lb wouldn't touch most professional boxers at 180lbs. So would good amatuer boxers weighing 200lbs beat him?
    The weight class is one thing, but if you think you can go in against any top pro having just started training in your 20s for five years and have a chance you're an idiot. A featherweight would probably knock you out in one round.
  40. #24115
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The weight class is one thing, but if you think you can go in against any top pro having just started training in your 20s for five years and have a chance you're an idiot. A featherweight would probably knock you out in one round.
    5 years is a long time & I highly doubt it. I wouldn't even need to learn to box I'd just get in great shape and learn to punch. The physical advantages would be too great. Why don't you make some attempt at quantifying what you think is the limit then because what I'm saying is definitely true as a principle even if you disagree with the extent to which I'm stating it.

    Which 6 foot 4+, 230lb+ boxers lose to Mayweather in his shape in his last fight?
    Last edited by Savy; 08-29-2017 at 08:07 AM.
  41. #24116
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    5 years is a long time & I highly doubt it. I wouldn't even need to learn to box I'd just get in great shape and learn to punch. The physical advantages would be too great.
    Ya, you'd learn to punch half as well as McGregor. You'd fight some guy who knew how not to get hit and could exploit your weaknesses, and you'd get rocked so many times in the first minute your legs would be like jelly, and in the next 30s it would be 'timbeeerrrrr'.
  42. #24117
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post

    Which 6 foot 4+, 230lb+ boxers lose to Mayweather in his shape in his last fight?
    It depends on how you define 'boxer'. If you mean just some guy off the street who started training at a late age and has no special talent, I'd say all of them.
  43. #24118
    Mcgregor is what like 5 foot 8, 155lb & didn't have 5 years boxing training. You know who'd beat Mcgregor with power literally every 200+lb fighter in the UFC. What exactly makes you think that these people have some insurmountable power, they are tiny.

    You're still not answering my question either.
    Last edited by Savy; 08-29-2017 at 08:19 AM.
  44. #24119
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Mcgregor is what like 5 foot 8, 155lb & didn't have 5 years boxing training. You know who'd beat Mcgregor with power literally every 200+lb fighter in the UFC. What exactly makes you think that these people have some insurmountable power, they are tiny.

    You're still not answering my question either.
    If your question is about how much weight makes a difference, then ya obv. it's an advantage to be bigger if you can convert that into power. I don't know the exact formula for how much it compensates for lack of skill, but there's plenty of examples of top heavyweights beating other top heavyweights 10% or more heavier than them.

    If you're saying being huge compared to your opponent is enough to win a fight as long as you can run lots of laps, hit a heavy bag and stop eating ice cream for a few years, I say you're probably wrong. There's a lot more innate talent and a lot more skill involved in boxing than you seem to think.
  45. #24120
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    If your question is about how much weight makes a difference, then ya obv. it's an advantage to be bigger if you can convert that into power. I don't know the exact formula for how much it compensates for lack of skill, but there's plenty of examples of top heavyweights beating other top heavyweights 10% or more heavier than them.

    If you're saying being huge compared to your opponent is enough to win a fight as long as you can run lots of laps, hit a heavy bag and stop eating ice cream for a few years, I say you're probably wrong. There's a lot more innate talent and a lot more skill involved in boxing than you seem to think.
    Weight after a point isn't helpful. Natural size is important. Very few people are benefiting from being above a weight like 280lb but if my natural weight is 215 then that is huge over someone who is naturally 150. So heavyweight is where this is least important or beneficial & in terms of natural weight it is still a benefit to be bigger.

    There is also the fact that 5 years is a really long time, if you're training seriously for 5 years at anything you're going to be fairly good at it by the end. I'm also just 25 so would be in my prime as a boxer at 30
  46. #24121
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Weight after a point isn't helpful. Natural size is important. Very few people are benefiting from being above a weight like 280lb but if my natural weight is 215 then that is huge over someone who is naturally 150. So heavyweight is where this is least important or beneficial & in terms of natural weight it is still a benefit to be bigger.
    If your natural weight is 215 you'd have about a 40% weight advantage over 150. But a) you still have to be quick enough to hit him, which you probably wouldn't; and b) his punches would still hurt you when he hit you, which most of the time he probably would. I wouldn't like your chances.


    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    There is also the fact that 5 years is a really long time, if you're training seriously for 5 years at anything you're going to be fairly good at it by the end. I'm also just 25 so would be in my prime as a boxer at 30
    It sounds like a long time but if you're 25 now and never threw a punch before today the chance you could be trained to coordinate your muscles to move in the optimal way (assuming you have much innate talent at all, which most of us don't) from today onwards is slim to none. You would certainly reach your own plateau of skill in that time but it'd be waaay below someone who started younger and had a boatload of talent to begin with.
  47. #24122
    My more serious slightly tongue in cheek thing I contemplate actually doing is starting to play cricket again as I was a half decent bowler but proper hitting the gym and steroids so I get up to bowling around 90mph & making club cricketers shit themselves.
  48. #24123
    I stopped reading. Who won the argument?
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    Savy is considering a life of steroid use to prove his idle boasting.

    At least he's passionate about something.

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    My more serious slightly tongue in cheek thing I contemplate actually doing
    Feel that burning fire!
  50. #24125
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I stopped reading. Who won the argument?
    I win every argument 'cause if I'm losing it I just start arguing about something else entirely.
  51. #24126
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Savy is considering a life of steroid use to prove his idle boasting.

    At least he's passionate about something.



    Feel that burning fire!
    It isn't boasting, I don't think I'm special in any regard to what I said bar being tall. Steroids are a no for the boxing, or at least I'd take what they all take and get away with.

    Do you think I'm wrong in what I said about the boxing?
  52. #24127
    If Savy had an aptitude for athletics and there were no glaring holes in his ability to learn boxing by training enough, if we assume 5 years of honest to God training, he would wreck Floyd 6/10 imo

    In sport, size doesn't scale linearly. A 50 pound advantage isn't 5x as good as a 10 pound advantage; it's far more than that, especially when in low/medium weight classes. If Savy has the build of 6'3 person (Floyd is closer to 5'6), he would have the bone and muscle structure of head/neck to take shots nobody in Floyd's division can. The extreme height difference means Floyd's shots barely even land and when they do they have such little power. The only reason I was interested in Conor vs. Floyd was that Conor had the correct kind of size to give Floyd trouble. And he did, more than any other boxer did. Multiply that size advantage by several and you can even cut the skill down quite a bit and Floyd gets wrecked.

    Five years is more than enough to get to peak physical condition. It is more than enough to get to 80% of your fullest capacity in any sport.

    Though some of the time Savy would wreck Floyd, some of the time he would lose instead. Things like jitters or just simply not being able to keep range because he gassed because his style is not picture perfect for boxing (that's what happened to Conor).
  53. #24128
    I am in the 1 percentile of genetic athletic skill when it comes to the more brutish sports (think: wrestling, not tennis) and if I fought Floyd I would have 40 pounds on him at peak physical condition. Yet I would lose to him every time even with 5 years of perfect training. The reason is because I'm only an inch or two taller than him and his reach is probably still longer than mine.

    But, make me 6'3 and we got some Semmy Schilt shit on our hands where I can just jab and muscle my way to victory. Once athletic ability dips to, I dunno, below 75 percentile, that Semmy Schilt begins turning into Stefan Struve, who is more awkwardly bad than he could be. However, as weights and heights get into normal human range, the Struve disadvantage becomes less so. This is because of things like Struve still fights guys who are naturally as "big" as he is even though they are a bit shorter. Human biology doesn't scale that well on the tails of height. But if we're inside normal range, like 5'6 vs. 6'3, it's a different game.
  54. #24129
    dear god i lold

  55. #24130
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    If Savy had an aptitude for athletics and there were no glaring holes in his ability to learn boxing by training enough, if we assume 5 years of honest to God training, he would wreck Floyd 6/10 imo

    In sport, size doesn't scale linearly. A 50 pound advantage isn't 5x as good as a 10 pound advantage; it's far more than that, especially when in low/medium weight classes. If Savy has the build of 6'3 person (Floyd is closer to 5'6), he would have the bone and muscle structure of head/neck to take shots nobody in Floyd's division can. The extreme height difference means Floyd's shots barely even land and when they do they have such little power. The only reason I was interested in Conor vs. Floyd was that Conor had the correct kind of size to give Floyd trouble. And he did, more than any other boxer did. Multiply that size advantage by several and you can even cut the skill down quite a bit and Floyd gets wrecked.
    I love the idea that average guy could just train real hard and beat some top pro who's a lot smaller than him, but it's not realistic.

    Mike Tyson who was 5' 9" on his tiptoes fought top guys 6' 6" and nearly decapitated them. So 5' 6" vs. 6' 4" doesn't seem like much difference. Granted, 65 pounds is a lot to give up but if Savy doesn't have the coordination to use those pounds it won't do him much good. You can't just take anyone and train them hard enough and eventually they'll be a top pro.

    Also, you're forgetting Savy would have to actually hit Floyd with something besides a light jab to win. If McGregor a natural athlete and fighter wasn't quick enough to do it, what makes you think big ole Savy would be?

    And when was Mayweather in trouble? He never took a solid punch more than once or twice the whole fight, and calling those shots 'solid' is being generous - more like glancing blows. I saw one punch that knocked his head back but he wasn't shook up at all. McGregor hit Mayweather on the back of the head more times than on the front lol.

    Watch the fight again. Mayweather gave McGregor no respect after the first three rounds 'cause he knew he couldn't hurt him. He just walked right through his 'guard' and started hitting him with good shots. By the ninth it was over.
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  56. #24131
    Savy would certainly have to have an aptitude for it.

    With Tyson, he didn't have to keep his weight down. For the Savy hypothetical, we're assuming Floyd keeps his weight down. If Floyd is allowed to bulk up and come in at whatever weight he wants, it changes everything. It would create the same sort of advantages Tyson had over bigger opponents, where he is the one who muscles them around.
  57. #24132
    Thanks wuf I knew I was right in thinking I could take the best pound for pound boxer ever.

    Mayweather & Tyson aren't comparable because Tyson is naturally a monster I don't think I'd ever touch someone like Tyson because I lost massively in every respect bar height. Someone brings in what I was saying about natural weight.
  58. #24133
    That's assuming you're not a pussy. You might be a pussy.
  59. #24134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Do you think I'm wrong in what I said about the boxing?
    I'm bad at athletic things, so I don't follow them. I honestly couldn't answer this at all.

    While wuf makes excellent points, poopy does, too. There certainly seems to be something more than physical training going on at the tippy top levels of physical prowess.

    Frankly, I don't know enough about physiology to talk sensibly about that, either.
  60. #24135
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    That's assuming you're not a pussy. You might be a pussy.
    Boxing is going to be my new go to when people say women should compete with men. Like Mayweather competes with the men sized men in boxing.

    I would also never actually box unless I was getting a lot for it. Why would I let anyone punch me in the head that's literally retarded. It's like people who spar for fun, morons.
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  61. #24136
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Granted, 65 pounds is a lot to give up but if Savy doesn't have the coordination to use those pounds it won't do him much good. You can't just take anyone and train them hard enough and eventually they'll be a top pro.

    Also, you're forgetting Savy would have to actually hit Floyd with something besides a light jab to win. If McGregor a natural athlete and fighter wasn't quick enough to do it, what makes you think big ole Savy would be?
    The co-ordination point is being over used. If there is nothing wrong with you physically then you can learn to punch and hard. Why wouldn't you be able to? I'm not saying you could punch with the elite or anything but still very fucking hard. Mcgregor is once again like 160lb soaking wet, the force just isn't the same as from a big guy.

    I would never be a top pro, that's important to realise as it isn't my point. The people who would fight me at the same weight level would ruin me. My point is more a big guy in shape with a decent grasp on boxing would beat Mayweather (especially the version from his last fight).

    5 years serious training is a lot.
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  62. #24137
    I have heard there is data on the top ranked women tennis players in the world getting creamed by 100 ranked high school men. Or something.

    The idea that men and women are in the same ballpark physically is mind-numbing.
  63. #24138
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I have heard there is data on the top ranked women tennis players in the world getting creamed by 100 ranked high school men. Or something.

    The idea that men and women are in the same ballpark physically is mind-numbing.
    Ye so it's retarded so imply they should compete in the same ballpark.

    I've said a lot that the best international womens football teams (soccer) would lose to the better under 14 boys sides. People thought I was an idiot.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...U-15-boys.html

    Happens all the time apparently.

    With regards to tennis I've heard that is true but for fairly bog standard college men players beating the best comfortably. Soon as the physical traits kick in for men in tennis they win.
    Last edited by Savy; 08-29-2017 at 11:14 PM.
  64. #24139
    There is definitely a tv show in taking good physical male specimens that have never played a certain sport & aren't exactly in great shape to begin with and seeing how long it takes them to beat top class women professionals or women sized men like Mayweather.
  65. #24140
    But muh Rousey can beat him

  66. #24141
    She's going to end up in the WWE, I can't wait. She's also pretty hot, didn't realise untill I saw her in non-I'mgoingtokillyou fashion.

    She'd take floyd in a fight agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Why would I let anyone punch me in the head that's literally retarded.
    That's the good stuff.
  68. #24143
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    She's going to end up in the WWE, I can't wait. She's also pretty hot, didn't realise untill I saw her in non-I'mgoingtokillyou fashion.

    She'd take floyd in a fight agree?
    Honestly I don't know. Any dude on the UFC 135 roster sons Floyd like a redheaded stepchild in MMA or a street fight, but I just don't know how much weaker/slower Peak Woman is to Peak Man. It flat out could be enough that even if she kicks Floyd's legs and tries to throw him, he could just muscle her and win on raw brutality.
    Last edited by wufwugy; 08-29-2017 at 11:49 PM.
  69. #24144
    Also if you think Rousey is hot, Gina Carano is a fucking babe. Not sure if there are still babes fighting MMA. Maybe Joanna Champion.
  70. #24145
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Also if you think Rousey is hot, Gina Carano is a fucking babe. Not sure if there are still babes fighting MMA. Maybe Joanna Champion.
    I mean she's like a 7 but people always seem hotter when you don't realise they're pretty hot to begin with. Yeah Gina is really hot just a shame she has man jaw.

    I'm not sure I could go out with someone who could obviously kick my ass though. Especially when if they did they'd get away with it & I'd get laughed at.

    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Honestly I don't know. Any dude on the UFC 135 roster sons Floyd like a redheaded stepchild in MMA or a street fight, but I just don't know how much weaker/slower Peak Woman is to Peak Man. It flat out could be enough that even if she kicks Floyd's legs and tries to throw him, he could just muscle her and win on raw brutality.
    It's a bit of a silly question because the things that matter about fighting are things we have no idea if he can do or not. Some boxing stuff obviously helps but it's pretty minor. Boxer vs someone who can kick never gets near them, if the boxer gets taken to the mat they auto lose and that happens a lot because they can't stop it well.

    It's also never ever happening. No name big enough in boxing to make it a big draw agrees to the fight. I'm sure Rousey would be game if the money was right.
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  71. #24146
    Example of her man jaw?

    Given my tastes, Gina is like 9.5 at worst.
  72. #24147
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Example of her man jaw?

    Given my tastes, Gina is like 9.5 at worst.
    It's kind of a joke like the whole elbows too pointy thing because she's clearly gorgeous just her jaw is a bit manly & it looks like her nose has been broke a few times. It's finding the flaws in people about 50x better looking than yourself (read myself).

    http://www.daidegasforum.com/images/...no-sexy-13.jpg
  73. #24148
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    The co-ordination point is being over used. If there is nothing wrong with you physically then you can learn to punch and hard.
    I never said you couldn't. In fact, I'm sure you can punch hard now. The point is you have to be able to hit someone who's made a career out of not getting hit. You think Floyd is just going to stand there with his chin out and let you hit him?


    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    My point is more a big guy in shape with a decent grasp on boxing would beat Mayweather (especially the version from his last fight).
    The version from his last fight never got hit either, at least not in any serious way. How is being bigger going to make hitting him easier?


    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    5 years serious training is a lot.
    Of course it is. You'd probably be a competent boxer. My money would still be on Mayweather though.
  74. #24149
    There's a lot more subtly to boxing than most people realise.

  75. #24150
    The full fight in normal speed.

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