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  1. #25726
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    I think that guy just happens to not do pain. Kind of funny that after a good minute of tasing, he's still casually asking why they're taking him off the plane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Kind of funny that after a good minute of tasing, he's still casually asking why they're taking him off the plane.
    Funniest part to me is watching the cop tase the guy for a minute, see that it's not working, and instead of dropping an elbow into his skull and dragging him off the plane, they just try tasing him in a different part of his body.
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    I can't really figure out why he's being tased, to be fair. I mean, sure he's a class A dick, but asking why he's being removed is surely not a taserable offence? Seems like these cops were just annoyed by his stubborness. You telling me three man mountains can't drag this guy out?
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    He's almost definitely on some type of painkiller. He sounds like an asshole, but I don't get what tasing him is supposed to do either.
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    Last I checked being an asshole is his right as an American.
    I guess it applies equally to the cops, too, so moot point.

    Carry on, gentlemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    He's almost definitely on some type of painkiller.
    Is that really all it takes to be taze-proof??? Why even have tazers then?

    The guy being an asshole doesn't really move the meter for me. What's infinitely more amazing, in my opinion, is that this kind of thing doesn't happen fifty times a day. Think about what a fucking achievement it is to get the millions of daily flyers to behave themselves so well that this ass-hole makes news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Last I checked being an asshole is his right as an American.
    I guess it applies equally to the cops, too, so moot point.

    Carry on, gentlemen.
    Tasing someone for no reason is not "being an asshole", it is assaulting them unlawfully.
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    From Physics Monkey thread

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    It would be possible if the infinity of universes is the same size infinity as the number of possible universes. Which I hope isn't true for the sake of the inhabitants of the possible universe where every time you cough, Bea Arthur slaps you on the ass.
    What?
    Who would complain about getting an ass slap from a Golden Girl?
    Is it 'cause she's dead? I admit, that makes it weird.

    Can we get some Betty White, instead?

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    LOL US Healthcare

    A woman seeking treatment from a New Jersey hospital in October 2016 for an ear injury was charged $5,751 for her treatment—even though that treatment only consisted of an ice pack and a bandage, according to an ongoing investigation by Vox into hospital emergency room billing.
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    A lack of transparency has always been a major problem with healthcare costs. Creating that transparency would go a long way toward driving down the cost of healthcare.

    I wonder why Obama didn't put it in his plan? Oh yeah, because democrats don't really care about keeping people healthy...they care about raising taxes and declaring victory.

    As far as exorbitant costs go.....*yawn*. Stories like this are pretty common. I read one last year about an $800 band-aid. Turned out the follow up to that story revealed that $800 was a fair price for a band-aid. Overhead at hospitals is in-fucking-sane. So if all you want is a band-aid, go to the drug store. If you want to be examined, diagnosed, treated by an expert in band-aid handling, on-demand, at a high-tech facility, then you're gonna have to pay for it.
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    I was under the impression that Trump already struck down obamacare. Wasn't that one of the #gettingshitdone memes a year ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I was under the impression that Trump already struck down obamacare.
    He made it insolvent
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    Is that a good thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Is that a good thing?
    Not if the Democrats win in 2018
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    I've upgraded my defence at home. I have a crossbow. The law here is fucked up.

    I can't have pepper spray. No, that's not allowed. But I can have kitchen knives, baseball bats and fucking crossbows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    If all she needed was a bandaid, then she shouldn't have gone to a place with the overhead to treat trauma victims.

    I'm in no position to say what the cost should be, but the statement that it should be based solely on the treatment and not at all on the access to facilities and professionals - that's wrong.

    ER facilities are prepared to deal with anything (ideally) that comes their way. Whether or not you needed surgery, by going to the ER, you have made use of a surgeon on standby. There are literal tons of equipment in an ER that cost over $100k to own, not counting operating costs.

    Again, I'm not at all aware of how pricing should happen, but being charged a facility fee for walking in the door is standard.
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    I hate anecdotes. You can look at the cost of healthcare in the US compared to other countries with similar quality in healthcare and that tells a lot more. You don't need the ER bill of some dumb skank (conjecture) who hit her head on a coffee table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    If all she needed was a bandaid, then she shouldn't have gone to a place with the overhead to treat trauma victims.

    I'm in no position to say what the cost should be, but the statement that it should be based solely on the treatment and not at all on the access to facilities and professionals - that's wrong.

    ER facilities are prepared to deal with anything (ideally) that comes their way. Whether or not you needed surgery, by going to the ER, you have made use of a surgeon on standby. There are literal tons of equipment in an ER that cost over $100k to own, not counting operating costs.

    Again, I'm not at all aware of how pricing should happen, but being charged a facility fee for walking in the door is standard.
    You're right.

    I'll add that nobody "knows" what the cost of anything *should* be. We use the price system of voluntary transactions because it best approximates what costs *should* be. Even so, with stuff like this, the best we can say is the type of thing that impacts prices and in which direction.

    Healthcare is one of those areas where policy that impact prices upward in the way that is bad for people has been the norm for a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    You can look at the cost of healthcare in the US compared to other countries with similar quality
    I guess that's the question. As far as I know, there aren't any that are that similar. Each system has unique problems that emerge from their government policy (and from the culture of the people and other stuff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I guess that's the question. As far as I know, there aren't any that are that similar. Each system has unique problems that emerge from their government policy (and from the culture of the people and other stuff).
    An appendectomy is an appendectomy, no matter where you get it. The difference is in the US it costs on average $30,000 when in the rest of the world it averages under $3000. You're not getting a 10x better appendectomy for your 30k.
    I'm sure you can find unique areas where one country does better than another, but overall, and for the vast majority of routine treatments, costs in the US are through the roof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    An appendectomy is an appendectomy, no matter where you get it. The difference is in the US it costs on average $30,000 when in the rest of the world it averages under $3000. You're not getting a 10x better appendectomy for your 30k.
    I'm sure you can find unique areas where one country does better than another, but overall, and for the vast majority of routine treatments, costs in the US are through the roof.
    That's mostly because you have a system of health insurance which means everyone gets to pad their pockets along the way.

    That's one of the issues no one can ever really tell you how much things cost in healthcare and that basically means the consumer has little choice to begin with.
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  24. #25749
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    An appendectomy is an appendectomy, no matter where you get it. The difference is in the US it costs on average $30,000 when in the rest of the world it averages under $3000. You're not getting a 10x better appendectomy for your 30k.
    I'm sure you can find unique areas where one country does better than another, but overall, and for the vast majority of routine treatments, costs in the US are through the roof.
    We're not dealing with single variable comparisons.
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    idk who 'we' are, but I was making one because I don't like the handwavy philosophical arguments. When I go in for minor surgery and I get a bill for 30k for something that took half an hour, 3 employees, and that literally everywhere else in the world is done for less than 1/10th the price, then it's fair to ask why.I didn't go out to find a particularly bad example, I picked the most routine surgery I could think of and searched for prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    idk who 'we' are, but I was making one because I don't like the handwavy philosophical arguments. When I go in for minor surgery and I get a bill for 30k for something that took half an hour, 3 employees, and that literally everywhere else in the world is done for less than 1/10th the price, then it's fair to ask why.I didn't go out to find a particularly bad example, I picked the most routine surgery I could think of and searched for prices.
    Additional variables include how long it took to get the operation, the probability of success, the real costs that include taxes, and many others.

    It is possible that in the countries with the lower prices, the prices would be even higher than the US version if turnover times were the same.

    Instead of looking at a price and reasoning from that (the "reasoning from a price change" fallacy), it would be better to look at policy and reason from that. Some countries have some better policies than others. Good economics thinking can help describe the directional and magnitude impact of the policies.
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    Would you say it is possible that the US actually has cheaper healthcare than other countries? Possibly even the cheapest?
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    In terms of true costs, I would probably say that Singapore has the cheapest system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Additional variables include how long it took to get the operation, the probability of success, the real costs that include taxes, and many others.

    It is possible that in the countries with the lower prices, the prices would be even higher than the US version if turnover times were the same.

    Instead of looking at a price and reasoning from that (the "reasoning from a price change" fallacy), it would be better to look at policy and reason from that. Some countries have some better policies than others. Good economics thinking can help describe the directional and magnitude impact of the policies.
    What do you think of a single payer (the government) negotiating prices on behalf of the masses (the populace)? Surely buying in bulk HAS to be cheaper than individually?
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    It is cheaper across that dimension.

    That dimension isn't exclusive to states. In order for states to use that dimension, other policies come along that counter to an even greater degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    What do you think of a single payer (the government) negotiating prices on behalf of the masses (the populace)? Surely buying in bulk HAS to be cheaper than individually?
    Not if you define the bulk to be something that isn't actually worth buying for the masses. Especially if as a result more fringe buying bulks up in price.
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    The main cause of high prices in healthcare is government laws that restrict supply. Other factors also impact price, but are of much lower magnitude than the supply restriction laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    The main cause of high prices in healthcare is government laws that restrict supply. Other factors also impact price, but are of much lower magnitude than the supply restriction laws.
    What government laws are restricting your mum?
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    I believe that the culture of getting up in arms over "offensive" jokes is a symptom of people having easy lives Joking seems to be one of the main tools to help cope with tragedy. When people have no real tragedy in their lives, maybe they lose that intuition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I believe that the culture of getting up in arms over "offensive" jokes is a symptom of people having easy lives Joking seems to be one of the main tools to help cope with tragedy. When people have no real tragedy in their lives, maybe they lose that intuition.
    Tragedy is relative. Suffering is measured against other people in your society, not on a universal objective scale. That's why poverty and income inequality are considered massive problems in the United States, even though poor households in America have heat, A/C, 3 TV's, X-box, and a leased Acura in the driveway.

    I really don't think the Roseanne situation is anything more than left-wing ideologues exercising power over conservative voices by manipulating the Overton window for their own ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Tragedy is relative. Suffering is measured against other people in your society, not on a universal objective scale. That's why poverty and income inequality are considered massive problems in the United States, even though poor households in America have heat, A/C, 3 TV's, X-box, and a leased Acura in the driveway.

    I really don't think the Roseanne situation is anything more than left-wing ideologues exercising power over conservative voices by manipulating the Overton window for their own ends.
    Could be this possible phenomenon: social media gives the village idiot the microphone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Could be this possible phenomenon: social media gives the village idiot the microphone.
    So you agree with the village idiot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    So you agree with the village idiot?
    Dog doo, meet wugy shoe.

    On a serious note, the village idiots in the context of social media are all the no-name know-nothing no skin-in-the-game fucktards who assblast xir's vuvuzelas whenever triggered.

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