^ True story.
07-17-2019 02:36 PM
#27451
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^ True story. | |
07-17-2019 03:19 PM
#27452
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You sure are winning 100% of the arguments we're not having. This wasn't your claim. You said economic migrants come, pretending to be refugees, to collect welfare checks which are 10x what they would earn for honest work in their country. A minimum wage job in Honduras pays $8000 annually. Skilled work wages seem comparable to poorer european countries. Idk what the upper end of welfare is in the US but I doubt it's 80k annually. On top of that, employment numbers for immigrants and refugees hardly support your lazy fake refugee theory. | |
Last edited by oskar; 07-17-2019 at 03:30 PM.
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07-17-2019 03:19 PM
#27453
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07-17-2019 03:52 PM
#27454
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Even if ong's right about economic migrants claiming to be refugees when they're not, which seems to me to be 100% likely to be true now, and to have been true for the entire history of human migration, then so what? | |
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07-17-2019 04:15 PM
#27455
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Tbf, I think his argument was not that we were going to be 'converted' so much as 'overwhelmed by numbers'. Which could theoretically happen anywhere there's immigration. And from there it's just one step to becoming the Saudi Arabia of the West, because in Ong's tinfoil-hat world every single muslim prefers Sharia Law to democracy. | |
07-17-2019 04:38 PM
#27456
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07-17-2019 05:26 PM
#27457
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It actually is. Highly paraphrased, but that was the meat and veg of a conversation on the BBC forum. Could have been a troll though. | |
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07-17-2019 05:46 PM
#27458
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07-17-2019 06:32 PM
#27459
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07-17-2019 06:39 PM
#27460
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07-17-2019 06:44 PM
#27461
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07-17-2019 07:14 PM
#27462
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Ong didn't read the link I posted that shows why the argument based on fertility rates is specious. | |
07-17-2019 07:18 PM
#27463
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07-17-2019 07:40 PM
#27464
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So Ong, should America ban Christians from immigrating there? | |
07-18-2019 12:39 AM
#27465
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You and spoon are reading me very wrong. | |
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07-18-2019 12:41 AM
#27466
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07-18-2019 04:29 AM
#27467
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07-18-2019 04:31 AM
#27468
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07-18-2019 04:31 AM
#27469
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Also, since when is "Mexican" a race? | |
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07-18-2019 05:48 AM
#27470
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Are you suggesting they routinely throw gays off buildings somewhere? Or just that you saw a video on youtube and assumed that's the law throughout the Islamic world (it isn't)? | |
07-18-2019 06:47 AM
#27471
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Ruining two lives by denying an abortion? Interesting. I'm not taking sides on the abortion debate, but one could argue that denying an abortion saves a life. | |
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07-18-2019 06:48 AM
#27472
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07-18-2019 07:02 AM
#27473
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Seems like a pretty sophisticated and detailed map - two colours plus grey. Is this something your friend drew? | |
07-18-2019 07:10 AM
#27474
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That is their argument yeah. Doesn't seem to sit well with proponents of women's rights though (i.e., women). | |
07-18-2019 07:10 AM
#27475
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Poop didn't click the wikipedia link I posted. | |
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07-18-2019 07:13 AM
#27476
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Oh good to know. So these are states' policies, not public opinion as you said in OP. | |
07-18-2019 07:16 AM
#27477
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07-18-2019 07:20 AM
#27478
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Good catch, that image is in the "public opinion" section of the article. | |
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07-18-2019 07:22 AM
#27479
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This link I ddin't click before shows "penalties" for same-sex intercourse. | |
07-18-2019 07:27 AM
#27480
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07-18-2019 07:28 AM
#27481
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I guess you can always have a secret abortion too. A little harder to hide the fact you're no longer pregnant from nosy officials than the fact that you took one up the ass the night before though. | |
07-18-2019 07:32 AM
#27482
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No, my point is that if you don't get caught by four independent witnesses, you don't have to worry. | |
07-18-2019 07:33 AM
#27483
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Oh yeah, abortion. | |
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07-18-2019 07:34 AM
#27484
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btw, when I had a Persian gf, I went to Iran and boned her, which was punishable by death if I got caught. Yet no-one else saw it and she wasn't about to report both of us so here I am alive and well. | |
07-18-2019 07:37 AM
#27485
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07-18-2019 07:37 AM
#27486
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07-18-2019 07:38 AM
#27487
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What's your point? We were talking about laws created by religious nuts. I think if anyting it's worse if your laws are passed by religious nuts who were elected democratically, since it suggests they had a public mandate. | |
07-18-2019 07:42 AM
#27488
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Not what I said. Gay people should be able to be openly gay to any point short of public fornicating. | |
07-18-2019 07:45 AM
#27489
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Fair inasmuch as it is the law of the land and applied equally to everyone yes. | |
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07-18-2019 07:50 AM
#27490
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07-18-2019 07:53 AM
#27491
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07-18-2019 08:03 AM
#27492
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btw, I'm not defending Iran at all. It's an awful place to live. The women all have to wear scarves in public and be covered from neck to ankle, even if its 40C outside. Men can't wear shorts. You just keep your head down and try not to attract attention in public. Once you're in your house though, no-one bothers you. You wear whatever clothes you want and do what you want. The people I stayed with had satellite TV (illegal, but not enforced), beer and wine (illegal but available on the black market), pretty much anything you could get here except maybe pork. So yeah, any of them could have gone to jail at any time if they'd gotten caught. That's sorta my point though - those laws exist, but it's not like the secret police suddenly show up at your house and demand to see what's in your fridge or check who is having sex. | |
07-18-2019 08:06 AM
#27493
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Just means the same thing as fair. | |
07-18-2019 08:18 AM
#27494
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It would appear anti-abortion laws are being considered in a number of US states. Don't have the facts to hand, but I don't think Alabama is just an anomaly in that respect; they're just the first one to pass such a strict law. One of the Americans probably can answer that better than I. | |
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07-18-2019 09:33 AM
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Iran is a unique case. Their government are awful, but the people are not. That'll be because they're Shia. Sadly, Shia are not the dominant Islamic sect. If they were, I don't think this would be such a problem. | |
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07-18-2019 09:50 AM
#27496
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So you want to argue that the dictionary is wrong again? ok i guess... | |
07-18-2019 10:01 AM
#27497
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07-18-2019 10:06 AM
#27498
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It's entirely subjective how you define reasonable, right or just. So something that seems fair to one person can be seen as unfair to another. | |
07-18-2019 10:13 AM
#27499
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07-18-2019 10:14 AM
#27500
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07-18-2019 10:23 AM
#27501
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07-18-2019 10:35 AM
#27502
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Should we change it to 'death to Iran' then? I'm not sure I get your point. | |
07-18-2019 10:51 AM
#27503
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07-18-2019 10:59 AM
#27504
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Utilitarianism comes pretty damn close, and it's the primary code of ethics used in hospitals and care centers when it comes to all sorts of things. They're on a limited budget, and so every decision to save one life is a decision to not save another... that's a terrible razor's edge to stand on and the most popular recourse is to fall back on utilitarianism. I agree, BTW. | |
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07-18-2019 10:59 AM
#27505
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07-18-2019 11:20 AM
#27506
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A bit. Utiliatarianism is about doing the most overall net good. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority is the group that benefits. You can punish everyone in the majority a little to benefit everyone in the minority a lot, if the sum of all the individual pluses and minuses ends up being positive (relative to some other option). | |
07-18-2019 11:23 AM
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07-18-2019 11:26 AM
#27508
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07-18-2019 11:39 AM
#27509
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Oh sorry, I didn't realise you wanted me to sit here for hours, pulling up every story I could find. | |
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07-18-2019 11:44 AM
#27510
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It doesn't matter that it's subjective. You're disregarding subjective aspects when they play an important role. You can say "I think it is fair, because there's nothing wrong with docking pocket money due to losing bets", but you can't argue that it's fair because nobody is any better placed than another to say whether it's reasonable to do so, therefore we completely disregard that aspect of the conversation. | |
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07-18-2019 11:46 AM
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07-18-2019 11:47 AM
#27512
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If you think something is reasonable while another disagrees, you're disagreeing about whether something is fair, not whether the word "fair" is accurate. | |
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07-18-2019 11:48 AM
#27513
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07-18-2019 11:52 AM
#27514
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Actually it does. It's the entire crux of the issue. | |
07-18-2019 11:54 AM
#27515
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I don't think there's anything to learn, that's my position. | |
07-18-2019 11:54 AM
#27516
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07-18-2019 11:56 AM
#27517
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07-18-2019 11:59 AM
#27518
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I'll expalin this to you one last time then I have to start charging you money. | |
07-18-2019 12:06 PM
#27519
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07-18-2019 12:09 PM
#27520
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07-18-2019 12:11 PM
#27521
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context matters | |
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07-18-2019 12:11 PM
#27522
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07-18-2019 12:14 PM
#27523
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07-18-2019 12:17 PM
#27524
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07-18-2019 12:17 PM
#27525
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