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    Look, I'm not going to try to convince you that human lives matter more than stolen goods (which are insured, BTW).
    If you either choose not to get it, or you simply disagree, then fine. IDGAF if we disagree, but I can't possibly convince you otherwise if you simply don't value human life more than you value insured property.

    Suggesting that it should be more legal to kill your own citizens than it is to kill an enemy combatant on a battlefield is just beyond me.
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    Look, I'm not going to try to convince you that human lives matter more than stolen goods
    The gulf between us on this matter is pretty much summed up here. You still see looting as a simple matter of theft.
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    ... and you don't see killing unarmed people without judge or jury as murder.
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    SWAT
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    SWAT requires a warrant signed by a judge to pursue any pre-meditated action.

    Otherwise, they have to follow the same rules of reasonable suspicion that failure to kill a perp would result in the death of an innocent.

    There's no law that says any police officer or military personnel can kill unarmed, non-violent people.


    Hollywood may be responsible for your assumption that everyone in America carries a firearm, but that's neither the case nor directly relevant. People who have a license to carry a weapon do get arrested and are not killed during arrest because they follow strict guidelines about keeping their hands visible, not making sudden movements and clearly verbalizing to the officer the number and nature of the firearms on their person. All of which they have to take classes to learn the specifics to earn their license to carry.

    To be clear, the possession of a firearm is not strictly relevant. If someone starts trying to wrestle, or punch an officer and that officer legitimately feels their life is threatened, then they have the authority to use necessary force to subdue the attacker and protect life. Necessary force is up to and including lethal force, but necessary force does not mean lethal force.

    They swear a duty to serve and protect their citizenry. The looters and criminals are members of the community they are sworn to protect.


    This perverse fantasy you harbor that killing humans for theoretical, hypothetical, intangible, or potential harm to society doesn't hold up to any legal standard, US, UK, or internationally recognized. It is ONLY justified when the direct, imminent threat to human life is REDUCED by the police use of force, not increased.
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    Hey. I just saw this, and maybe it helps me understand your position, ong.

    It's a little long-ish (18 minutes), but the part where he's talking about social contracts kinda felt like he was touching on something you may be saying that I wasn't hearing.




    I really do respect you, and I wish I wasn't as triggered on this issue. I hope I haven't alienated you.
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    https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/sta...862447104?s=20

    I thought he was mocking them at first, but those are literal children. What the fuck is this?
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    Meanwhile in Oakland:

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    SWAT requires a warrant signed by a judge to pursue any pre-meditated action.
    This isn't a court hearing with jury, and I'm also arguing that an extreme measure like shooting looters should also be authorised, either by a court or by the government using emergency powers.

    There's no law that says any police officer or military personnel can kill unarmed, non-violent people.
    Looters are potentially armed violent people.

    Hollywood may be responsible for your assumption that everyone in America carries a firearm
    I know not everyone carries a weapon, but I also don't doubt Hollywood skews my view of USA.

    People who have a license to carry a weapon do get arrested and are not killed during arrest because they follow strict guidelines about keeping their hands visible, not making sudden movements and clearly verbalizing to the officer the number and nature of the firearms on their person
    I'm guessing these arrests don't usually involve the suspect being actively engaged in looting, with others, during a time of civil unrest, after having been warned that security forces have been authorised to use lethal force.

    To be clear, the possession of a firearm is not strictly relevant.
    I agree. What's relevant is the potential for carrying a firearm, and the context of the incident, which is in this case a state of emergency caused by civil unrest. In this specific example, we also have the aggravating factor that the police are the subject of the riots.

    The looters and criminals are members of the community they are sworn to protect.
    The looters are a direct threat to the safety and security of the community. And so the cop has a conflict... who is sworn to protect both, but if he can only protect one, he will protect the innocent.
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    This perverse fantasy
    Remember when you said how you don't like poop assigning emotional feelings to you?

    This isn't a perverse fantasy. Looters got shot in New Orleans after Katrina. It actually happens.
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    I really do respect you, and I wish I wasn't as triggered on this issue. I hope I haven't alienated you.

    Not at all. We're going to disagree sometimes, occasionally quite strongly. It's fine. I'm observing this from a non-emotional angle. I know people dying is bad, but I also know lots of people die all the time. We talk about things being inevitable, the only truly inevitable thing is death. People influence when that happens with the choices they make in life. I influence it by smoking. Looters influence it by looting when they have been warned they might be shot.

    I don't remember anywhere near this level of sympathy for looters when Bush was in charge during Katrina. You know why that was? Because people agreed with the measure. What's changed since then? People hate Trump more than they hate Bush. So when Trump says he's going to shoot the looters (while not actually doing it yet), there's more outrage then when Bush actually fucking did it.

    This is people being sucked into the political shitshow. I think the left are emotionally manipulated into taking moral stances on social subjects, and they then take that sense of morality and use it as ammo against those who oppose their views. This isn't even deliberate, you are actually triggered because you see someone you respect seemingly having no regard for human life. That isn't true, I just lack sympathy for idiots. And looters are idiots.
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    I don't remember anywhere near this level of sympathy for looters when Bush was in charge during Katrina. You know why that was? Because people agreed with the measure. What's changed since then? People hate Trump more than they hate Bush. So when Trump says he's going to shoot the looters (while not actually doing it yet), there's more outrage then when Bush actually fucking did it.
    First, Katrina was a different situation. It was a national disaster, not a protest. People had no food and water, so of course they had to go to stores and loot them. OTOH, some people were shooting at helicopters, gangs were running around threatening and raping people. Those weren't looters, they were criminals, and they were clearly violent.

    Second, I don't know where you got the idea that Bush gave an order to shoot looters. There's no record of him doing that afaik. There were police chiefs who said things like that, then walked it back.

    Third, once Gen. Honore got in charge of the army presence, the first thing he did was to tell his soldiers to put their guns down. So clearly he didn't think shooting hurricane victims, even looters, was an appropriate response to the crisis.


    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    First, Katrina was a different situation. It was a national disaster, not a protest. People had no food and water, so of course they had to go to stores and loot them
    Yes, the two scenarios are different. However, we're discussing the shooting of looters and whether it can be morally justifiable. It's less morally acceptable if they are looting basic necessities like food and water. But those people in New Orleans were shot without trial.

    I'm not suggesting that where we're at is the right time to start shooting looters, but it's getting there, I mean it's spread to Dallas from what I can tell. If this actually takes hold, things will get nasty.

    OTOH, some people were shooting at helicopters, gangs were running around threatening and raping people. Those weren't looters, they were criminals, and they were clearly violent.
    Looters are criminals. Looters are violent. Violence is not just threatening people with attack, violence is also creating an atmosphere of fear and chaos. And if things carry on as they are, people will start shooting at helicopters. That's when the state has to up their game and consider all options.

    Second, I don't know where you got the idea that Bush gave an order to shoot looters.
    idk who gave the order, or if it was individuals taking the course of action they deemed necessary, but Bush was president at the time.

    So clearly he didn't think shooting hurricane victims, even looters, was an appropriate response to the crisis.
    Perhaps, or maybe he just thought the message had been sent out and the looting would not continue. idk. But if I could be bothered, I'm sure I could find a general who would say that shooting looters in extreme cases in necessary, such as this guy's predecessor. It's not like Gnrl Whatshisname is an authority on generals.
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    Plot twist. Antifa have hijacked the protests.
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    College football Hall of Fame ransacked in Atlanta.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Hey, here's an idea: You know those people protesting the use of excessive force by the police? Well, if we shot a few I bet that would calm things right down!
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Plot twist. Antifa have hijacked the protests.
    Oh no! Not the anti fascists! We had such nice fascism. :'(
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    I'm paraphrasing something I've heard a pandemic expert say about covid and hijacking it for the protests: there is no perfect way to react to something like this, but even imperfect action is better than no action.

    If you let this go. If you let the police murder in broad daylight with no punishment, you end up with a police state. You end up having no rights. Burning down a convenience store is by no means a perfect action, but it really gets attention.
    Material things are replaceable. A life is not replaceable. The value of having human rights is greater than the value of whats being destroyed.

    Unfortunately the overwhelming top down response has been to blame the protestors and not the overtly broken system they are protesting. Instead of promising change, they are promising to beat down and kill insubordinates.
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    WOW - Charges against an officer who overtly manipulated evidence after killing a black man in 2015 were DROPPED TODAY.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ing-ricky-ball
    They claimed the suspect had a gun. The gun in question was owned by one of the police officers first on the scene, who filed a police report that said gun was stolen a year earlier at the day it was coincidentally found apparently now belonging to the victim.

    https://apnews.com/1f15681c4597ec9f8...7ad0-174463521
    All charges dropped.

    I have a hard time seeing this as anything but instigation.
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    Oh no! Not the anti fascists! We had such nice fascism. :'(
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    College football Hall of Fame ransacked in Atlanta.
    That'll show 'em.

    Hey, here's an idea: You know those people protesting the use of excessive force by the police? Well, if we shot a few I bet that would calm things right down!
    What do you think the authorities should do? Ask them what their demands are and oblige? All I'm saying when it comes to shooting looters is there comes a point where it is inevitable. We're not at that point yet, but if things carry on, then we'll get there. I understand why that happens.

    Looting is not protest.
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    What the protesters are demanding is clear: justice for the people killed by police. What should be done is exactly that. The police needs to be held accountable. There needs to be oversight, and there needs to be reform.

    You're making it sound like all protestors are looting and vandalizing and that therefore their demands are illegitimate... but they're not even the ones vandalizing in many cases:

    This is not an isolated case: https://twitter.com/_Helleric_/statu...184083460?s=20
    This is essentially the same thing police is doing by launching tear grenades at sitting protesters, shield bashing and shoving protesters and shooting them with rubber bullets from a distance. They are escalating because they get a kick out of exercising their authority. There is very little reason to take that job unless you fetishize authority.
    There are also videos of NYPD sending agent provocateurs into the crowds. This is so widespread that people started noticing that they're identifying themselves among each other by wearing white arm bands (not making this up).

    This is reminiscent of what happened in Turkey under Erdogan a couple of years ago. Erdogan friendly forces were staging insurrection to enable Erdogan to then use Turkeys military against its own citizens to beat down antifascist elements in the country.
    Trump will do the same. The ultimate power move would be to pardon a killer cop right now. That would do it. Not sure if he has enough game for that.
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    Did you watch the video I linked, ong?
    What he says about the social contract is on point. I can't state it as well as he did, but here goes:


    In short, society is nothing more than social contracts. If only 1 party is upholding their end of any contract, then the contract is void.

    When the unwritten social contract that police will serve and protect the citizens (particularly in this case, people of color) has not been upheld, then there's this unwritten clause about peaceful protest to affect change in the social norms.

    When time and again, unarmed black people are being killed, rather than arrested - and the story is that they were being violent is what comes out - until a video is released showing they were not being violent, the social contract is broken.

    When, for 70 or so years, despite all the peaceful protests, the social contract is still broken, then there is no social contract with people of color.

    When the social contract is broken, those people against whom it is broken wont feel any obligations to the society.
    It's not excusing anything, it's explaining the human toll of decades of - well - shit.


    IDK what to say. IDK what to advise. IDK how to solve any of this.
    I cannot condone or advise violence.

    I can certainly understand that non-violent protest isn't accomplishing anything, though.
    I can sympathize with people sick and tired of seeing their children and neighbors die while the people who kill them walk free.

    Without the leadership of a once-in-a-century charismatic genius like Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr., I think we can only expect this kind of violence. It doesn't make the violence acceptable, it makes it understandable. The assertion that people in the position of black communities in the US should just keep on with "business as usual" is just not going to solve anything. It hasn't solved anything, despite 70 years of "business as usual."
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    Ong, you're on crack if you think the solution to the current situation is to start shooting people. ffs.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Yup Trevor Noah is spot on. That was a brilliant way to put it.
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    justice for the people killed by police.
    That's what the protesters want. How about the looters? How about the infiltrators?

    You're making it sound like all protestors are looting and vandalizing and that therefore their demands are illegitimate... but they're not even the ones vandalizing in many cases:

    That is definitely not the case. I have been quite clear that looters and protesters are different things. In fact, the very last thing I said on this matter was "looting is not protest".

    They are escalating because they get a kick out of exercising their authority. There is very little reason to take that job unless you fetishize authority.
    So the looters aren't the only dickheads. Cops are dickheads too.

    There are also videos of NYPD sending agent provocateurs into the crowds.
    There seems to be this kind of stuff going on from all angles. Antifa, white nationalists, NYPD, anyone with an agenda to push is exploiting this. People are taking the bait.

    Antifa are not anti fascists. They are fascists.
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    Did you watch the video I linked, ong?

    No sorry, I clicked it and it was like 18 mins long or whatever and it was sunny outside.

    I agree with the tone of your summary. I do understand why people are angry, why there's riots, and I even support them. That might be easy to miss when I'm saying that I understand why looters get shot, but I'll say it again. Looting is not protest. Looting is a game changer, and allows the authorities to clamp down on the protests. The looters do more harm than good.
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    There is no Antifa. It's a shirt you can buy. It's a flag you can print. It's a logo without an organization. To say Antifa is fascist makes absolutely no sense. That's like saying Atheism is a religion.
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    You should watch the Trevor Noah clip, Ong.

    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...759116288?s=20
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    I haven't once complained about rioters. My problem is with looters.

    There is no Antifa. It's a shirt you can buy. It's a flag you can print. It's a logo without an organization. To say Antifa is fascist makes absolutely no sense. That's like saying Atheism is a religion.
    Well that's my mind put at ease.

    So did they find out who was leaving piles of bricks lying around the streets in Dallas?
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    Not saying it's no one else, but it looks like a lot of cops and cop sympathizers among those who vandalize and loot:

    https://www.courthousenews.com/minne...emacist-groups
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    Well if there's one thing we can count on, it's Donald Trump to handle things well.

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Sorry Oskar, the truth has been spoken.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...60009872007171
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Yeah... then they arrested a bunch of people in MN, and found out their addresses in the process of booking them, and guess what?
    80% of them were not, in fact, from out of state.

    At least the MN governor had the sense to apologize and say he took full responsibility for the math error.


    I mean, the start of today was mostly mayors and governors in denial about the entire situation.
    I read "This is not who we are" from 5 or more officials. Just... open your eyes and look around... that's who you are. It isn't who you will be tomorrow, but it's who you are today.
    Then other people saying the violent protestors were from somewhere else, and all the locals are totes chill. Also shown false as arrests start happening.

    At least that didn't take long. Maybe we can move on to the next stage of grief?


    At least the arrest numbers are still low. Shockingly low, considering all the damage done to police vehicles and face to face confrontations between police and protestors.
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    What is most mind-blowing is the daughter of MLK Jr. talking about non-violence when her dad was candid about the fact that none of his work could have happened if not for the preceding violence lead by the Black Panthers.

    Even Ghandi (the near total fuck that history chose to glorify) stood on the shoulders of violence to gain his label of champion of non-violent civil disobedience.


    This scale of oppression doesn't end without some violence. All the non-violent protests have failed for 70 years.
    I can't see how you can understand those facts and still say that violence is not protest.

    Gonna just say again that I don't condone or suggest violence.
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    I don't see many videos of protestors instigating at all.

    What I do see is a lot of this shit:
    https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status...847197696?s=20
    https://twitter.com/imactuallynina/s...193774080?s=20
    https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/s...898733570?s=20

    - I can see those one while not logged in. I think videos are an exception.
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    PD's are not a reliable source right now... or ever really:

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    I can't see how you can understand those facts and still say that violence is not protest.

    I didn't say this. I said looting isn't protest. Rioting is protest, rioting is violence. Looting is what happens when dickheads feel empowered by lack of police resources.
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    https://twitter.com/tomakeupwityou/s...20326182641670

    I think there's basically two kinds of people who become police officers: ones who sincerely want to help their community, and ones who get their orgasms from wielding authority. There needs to be a serious culling of the latter from forces everywhere.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    That'll show 'em

    https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status...87192670457857

    For mojo - dude gets pelted then beaten on the ground by a bunch of "protesters" (definitely not "thugs") for trying to protect his store from looters.

    Looters are fucking scum.
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    ^^ For anyone who isn't British - Katie Hopkins is a famous right-wing nut over here.

    Any chance this isn't what she says it it? Yes, plenty.

    Others have described it as a video where the 'victim' was wildly swinging a machete around and the crowd turned on him.

    Hard to tell what's really happening here as the clip has very little context - we don't know what happened before the camera turned on.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    I'm not going to sit here defending every single protestor... but in this case it very much looks like that was a guy who tried to murder someone just before that clip you posted starts: https://twitter.com/activiaaaa/statu...128169472?s=20
    Not proof, just saying it's not clear what's happening,.

    I'd be wary about any story associated with a video if it's not clear from the video.
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    Katie Hopkins is a twat, but that's irrelevant.

    I agree it's not entirely clear what's happening, but my best guess is this guy who is trying to "murder" someone is protecting his property. If he's not, if he's some nutjob who just decided to wade into a violent crowd with a machete for no reason, then I don't give a fuck about him getting a beating, but let's assume it's the former, that he is protecting his business. This is why looting cannot be tolerated. Business owners desperately try to protect their livelihoods, fear amongst the community, a sense of collapse of law and order. The longer it goes on, the more this happens.
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    Mojo needs cliffs again...
    Clip 1 - Dude is beaten up and claims they did it for him shouting "all lives matter".
    Clip 2 - Dude is shouting "all lives matter" while pointing a crossbow at people, then the mob beat him up.

    That fuckhead is lucky his head didn't eat a bullet.
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    I think it was Konfuzius who once said: There is a time when you fuck around,and there is a time when you find out.
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  48. #28173
    Well he did say "all lives matter" when he pointed his bow and arrow at people. So he wasn't entirely lying.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Doesn't seem implausible to me that this is an organized group of white supremacist agent provocateurs trying to stoke a race war.
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  50. #28175
    ^ doesn't seem implausible that it's the hard left, either. What I will say with confidence is that all parties with an agenda to push are likely exploiting this. Many groups are itching for a civil war, many of whom (not just white supremacists) want it to be drawn along racial lines.
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  51. #28176
    So... Epstein's "Little Black Book"...


    Is there more than just an address book? Because a rich guy keeping a list of contacts is not compelling evidence, yet people are saying this "confirms" that Trump had Epstein killed. I'm not sure why people are lapping this up.
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  52. #28177
    I dunno whether to laugh or be shocked, but my MP is in Epstein's list of contacts.
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  53. #28178
    Apart from white supremacists, who would want a civil war drawn on racial lines? Surely not the 20% of the population that is black and will surely die the most in such a war.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  54. #28179
    Oh yeah, of course, the same MP who didn't lose his job after sending his secretary, who he called "sugar tits", into a sex shop to buy two vibrators, one for his wife and one for his mistress.

    This list could be legit.
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  55. #28180
    I've never seen it seem so hair-triggery like this. It's like just one more spark and the whole place could go up.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1266942896659406848
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  56. #28181
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Apart from white supremacists, who would want a civil war drawn on racial lines? Surely not the 20% of the population that is black and will surely die the most in such a war.
    Did you see the footage yet of the woman shouting from a car "shoot the whites"?
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  57. #28182
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Did you see the footage yet of the woman shouting from a car "shoot the whites"?
    Do you mean to suggest that one angry black person was speaking for the whole nation of them? Didn't know they elected her the new MLK.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  58. #28183
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Do you mean to suggest that one angry black person was speaking for the whole nation of them? Didn't know they elected her the new MLK.
    Did you mean to suggest that white supremacists are speaking for 80% of the population?
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  59. #28184
    Neither of us suggested either of those things.

    I said some groups, not just supremacists, want a race war. That woman is in one such group, and the group is not "black people". That's an assumption you made. The group she is in is "racist black people".
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  60. #28185
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Did you mean to suggest that white supremacists are speaking for 80% of the population?
    Are you saying there's only one white supremacist?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  61. #28186
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Neither of us suggested either of those things.

    I said some groups, not just supremacists, want a race war. That woman is in one such group, and the group is not "black people". That's an assumption you made. The group she is in is "racist black people".
    Racist black people might want to see white people die. But I don't think it follows from that that they want a full-blown race war. Could be wrong though.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  62. #28187
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Are you saying there's only one white supremacist?
    Are you saying there's only one racist black person?

    My response to that is so predictable I'm surprised you bothered to hit submit.
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  63. #28188
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Racist black people might want to see white people die. But I don't think it follows from that that they want a full-blown race war. Could be wrong though.
    A race war does not mean 80% vs 20%. Nobody expects the entire population to take up arms in a civil war.
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  64. #28189
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    A race war does not mean 80% vs 20%. Nobody expects the entire population to take up arms in a civil war.
    What's your point? That racist blacks think they could win a race war cause most whites would stay home?

    Trust me, minorities who own a fraction of the weapons don't want race wars with majorities who own most of them.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  65. #28190
    Well I can assure you that most white people don't want a race war either. The people who do represent minorities. How numerous each minority is, your guess is as good as mine, but the vast majority of armed white people are not going to start pointing their guns at random black people.

    idk if USA is actually heading for a civil war, it feels like it's been bubbling for decades while not actually being something I can see happening due to the sheer might of the USA military. But if it does, it'll be down political lines, not racial. There will certainly be a race aspect to it, but it'll be a left vs right thing, with the left using race to manipulate blacks and non-racist whites. The race aspect is a propaganda war.
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  66. #28191
    Left vs. right I could believe. They basically live in different worlds, with their relative medias pounding it into their respective heads that the other side is scum.

    But I don't think we're close to a civil war. It could certainly get ugly(er) though.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I've never seen it seem so hair-triggery like this. It's like just one more spark and the whole place could go up.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1266942896659406848
    It should be obvious to anyone who's been watching police behavior in the past couple of days that the protests are totally justified and there desperately needs to be reform immediately. I see that some police officers offer solidarity, but they are in the single digits. The vast majority is out there escalating tensions and abusing their power. A sane nation would defund and replace the offending PD's immediately and restructure from the ground up.
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  68. #28193
    You would think before sending them out there, their chiefs would be saying something along the lines of "Ok these people are really pissed at the police right now, and they should be. Whatever you do, try not to make things worse. And if any of you get out of line, we'll sack you."

    Instead it seems like they're saying "Ok, let's show these fuckers who's boss."
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    What scares me this morning is I don't know what it will take to stop the protests right now.

    What are the protestors specifically demanding? Most agree that there needs to be reform of some kind, but specifically what reform?
    What needs to happen for people to feel heard, like the protests have worked?


    Also... As a white person.... white people need to step back and start listening. I get that poor white people are defensive when they hear the phrase white privilege, because those white people don't feel like they've gotten any privileges. It's a language problem. The fact that white people don't have a reason to fear for their lives over a routine traffic stop is the privilege. The fact that white people get more and better treatment when in hospitals is privilege. The language of "privilege" is making people defensive.

    Life is hard. Life has a lot of shit for everyone to deal with. The white privilege is that we don't have to deal with our children being murdered instead of arrested. It's not supposed to be a privilege. It's supposed to be common sense and simply normal. It's not.

    White people don't understand what their privilege is.
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    The looting makes it a lot easier for the police to take this posture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I didn't say this. I said looting isn't protest. Rioting is protest, rioting is violence. Looting is what happens when dickheads feel empowered by lack of police resources.
    Guilty conscience, ong?

    I wasn't talking about you at all. The entire post is clearly not talking about you.


    Get off this soapbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The looting makes it a lot easier for the police to take this posture.
    We got it the first 12 times you brought it up. Yes, looting: bad. We agree.

    None of the police violence in the videos I shared was towards looters... Common factors as far as I can tell: skin color and press passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Guilty conscience, ong?

    I wasn't talking about you at all. The entire post is clearly not talking about you.


    Get off this soapbox.
    Yeah telling me to get off my soapbox is likely to have that affect!

    White people don't understand what their privilege is.
    Get off this soapbox. I'm not going to start feeling guilty for the colour of my skin. Taking for granted things like freedom, peace and happiness is not "privilege". I don't think people who grew up in a normal family environment are privileged, even though that's something I didn't have. They were more fortunate than me, that's all.

    If some groups lack the basic necessities of life that I take for granted, that doesn't make me "privileged", it makes them unfortunate. And yes, of course we should strive for a society that does not discriminate against certain groups. But we don't do that by saying an entire demographic are "privileged", we do that by ensuring everyone takes for granted basic freedoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    We got it the first 12 times you brought it up. Yes, looting: bad. We agree.

    None of the police violence in the videos I shared was towards looters... Common factors as far as I can tell: skin color and press passes.
    Well the factor to me seems to be cop vs not cop. And yes I do agree that they are using unreasonable force. It's just not that surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'm not going to start feeling guilty for the colour of my skin.
    It's not about you, it's about the system. When you use this language, you sound like you're taking the phrase "white privelege" personally somehow.

    I don't think you should feel guilty, and I don't think Mojo wants you to either. I think you should understand that certain inequities exist based on race and see that that's a problem for everyone, not just the disadvantaged, because it creates the wrong kind of society.

    And I think you do understand that, but for some reaosn you seem to get a bit butthurt by the phrase that symbolizes it, when a more constructive approach might be to support the reconstruction of the social order so the phrase itself becomes obsolete.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.

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