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    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...28445386539008

    scary stuff.
    This one's even better than the "permanently separated" one. I'm not a big fan of the Don Lemon thing, but if that's the level of discourse, he's right. Statistically white men murder quite a bit more, so... idk what the conclusion is because this is fucking retarded either way.
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    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...15198684000258

    ...and there's a new one!

    Am I being unreasonable to say if you don't go out and kill some jews and democrats, you are basically letting the apocalypse happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I hear it's a little rough for Americans in Japan. Is it the same in the countryside as in the cities? Or do you get the typical small town vibe of putting a high value on hospitality that like, every region of the world thinks they've got more than everywhere else?

    E.g. Ask someone from the American south and they'll tell you southern hospitality is top notch. Ask someone from Kansas, they'll tell you that midwest hospitality is top notch. Ask someone from Maine, same story. Ask someone from another country... same story. People in small towns think they invented hospitality, and it's yet to catch on.

    Whatever... is it also like that in Japan? I've only ever talked to people whom have visited a major city.
    Daven iirc is from NZ

    And it's rough for any gaijin in Japan. They are not really fond (there has to be a better word) of foreigners. And the country is also dying out. Fucking manga is fucking up fucking literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah wp for commenting on my obvious troll post and ignoring my actual thoughts.

    At least roll a joint and click that Yellowman link. You're in Holland, aren't you? You probably have access to better weed than I do.
    I am Dutch but not in Holland. Around here, weed is still stigmatized
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Do Dutch people take offence to English people calling their country Holland instead of Netherlands?
    I mean, it's better than being called Lowlands, right? Oh the fucking French
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    Well the Netherlands is pretty low, but we use that term, actually more accurately the Low Countries, to refer to all three of Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, although I never could figure out why that term applies to Luxembourg too, since they are a tiny country with hills.

    I strongly suspect Holland is so popular in England because it's what your football team calls itself. I wouldn't be surprised if tons of people here thought the Netherlands was German for Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Well the Netherlands is pretty low, but we use that term, actually more accurately the Low Countries, to refer to all three of Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, although I never could figure out why that term applies to Luxembourg too, since they are a tiny country with hills.

    I strongly suspect Holland is so popular in England because it's what your football team calls itself. I wouldn't be surprised if tons of people here thought the Netherlands was German for Germany.
    Holland is where it happens in the Netherlands, which is why the whole country gets called Holland a bunch

    And it's easier to say as well, that has to have some merit

    You should also be able to understand now why global warming is of such a concern to me
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    Can you not swim?
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    Build bigger dykes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Can you not swim?
    Yeah I'll swim. I'll swim right across the fucking channel. Hopefully you guys have some highlands that we can cling to

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    Build bigger dykes.
    Like ozone-layer-tall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Yeah I'll swim. I'll swim right across the fucking channel. Hopefully you guys have some highlands that we can cling to
    We voted out pal, swim somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Like ozone-layer-tall?
    I don't think our highlands will do if this is what's needed.
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    Which means you are also probably quite fucked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Which means you are also probably quite fucked
    I think you must watch more disaster porn than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I think you must watch more disaster porn than me.
    I would prefer porn porn
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I hear it's a little rough for Americans in Japan. Is it the same in the countryside as in the cities? Or do you get the typical small town vibe of putting a high value on hospitality that like, every region of the world thinks they've got more than everywhere else?

    E.g. Ask someone from the American south and they'll tell you southern hospitality is top notch. Ask someone from Kansas, they'll tell you that midwest hospitality is top notch. Ask someone from Maine, same story. Ask someone from another country... same story. People in small towns think they invented hospitality, and it's yet to catch on.

    Whatever... is it also like that in Japan? I've only ever talked to people whom have visited a major city.
    not sure for americans. Everyone seems to like new zealanders, and i was travelling with a german who also seemed well received. Can imagine the more rural/old the less easy for americans. Had some interesting super positive responses from old people who found out my travel partner is german -> suggests the opposite may apply for americans.

    In general people really polite, not sure about friendly but smiles returned smiles most of the time. Only city i spent time in was tokyo and it was fairly busy and people were just going about their lives in a crowd, just like in small places without the crowds. The national park information centre people were super-helpful about hiking and stuff, but that tends to be the same everywhere i've been.

    pretty much nobody seems to speak english, but random people do. As an example of language and friendliness, we were camped next to a lake which happened to be a premier bass fishing location (had no idea there were bass in japan etc). I wanted to talk to them when they were packing up - they were rich and young in general, e.g. a rod-rack in a flash car with nine rods my guess $3k total value - close to nil english across ten of them but super keen to try and communicate about fishing, glad i now have a smart phone so could pull up pics of me with trout. They invited us to drink with them the next night, i think, shame we were moving on.

    Felt safer than any other country i've been in, nz included. Wouldn't want to break the law though. Guess those two things go hand-in-hand.
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    In case anyone is interested, so far I have recouped around a third of my investment from my lab glass, while that represents easily under 10% of my stock, probably less than 5%. It's slow going, but my paypal balance is increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    In case anyone is interested, so far I have recouped around a third of my investment from my lab glass, while that represents easily under 10% of my stock, probably less than 5%. It's slow going, but my paypal balance is increasing.
    Awesome!

    Keep it up, man!
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    I used bleach, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    In case anyone is interested, so far I have recouped around a third of my investment from my lab glass, while that represents easily under 10% of my stock, probably less than 5%. It's slow going, but my paypal balance is increasing.
    Hahaha nice

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    Inb4 ong makes a loss and gets arrested for supplying boiling tubes to junkies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Inb4 ong makes a loss and gets arrested for supplying boiling tubes to junkies.
    Luckily for me, it's not illegal for me to supply drug producers. So long as they don't actually tell me what they're using it for, at least.

    Top seller so far is the Buchner flask, which is used for vacuum filtration. I imagine that's pretty useful for meth making.
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    Transgender, so why not trans-age.

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    I want to do this, but the other way. I'm ready to retire, and it's discrimination to deny it me based purely on my age. I identify as a 70-y/o black woman and want my fucking pension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I want to do this, but the other way. I'm ready to retire, and it's discrimination to deny it me based purely on my age. I identify as a 70-y/o black woman and want my fucking pension.

    I want to identify as myself in the summer of '88. Fuck that was a lot of fun getting pissed and laid. They will have to give me back my youth, my looks, and my Dodge Dart. Otherwise I'm suing.
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    I somehow accidentally lost about a little more than 6 kilos over a 3 month period.

    All I did was eat at home, cut alcohol and sodas almost entirely (only like a bottle of wine ever month or so) and exercise for an average of half an hour a day.

    So now I am motivated to go for 30 more over a 2 year period. I'll be doing intermittent fasting for at least 18 hours a day, supplementing vitamins, exercise for at least an hour 5 days a week, and uphold the eating out, alcohol and soda bans.

    Let's see how this goes
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    Drinking more is higher EV.
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    Vitamin supplements likely do more harm than good.
    Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Vitamin supplements likely do more harm than good.
    Only B12, D3, Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc, Folic acid

    Oh, and also some salt in my drinking water


    All excess sugars got cut out LDO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Only B12, D3,
    Try some oily fish?



    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc, Folic acid
    Try a salad or some spinach.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Oh, and also some salt in my drinking water
    wut? No-one needs extra sodium (unless you have some kind of disease).



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    All excess sugars got cut out LDO
    Good job! Wish I could do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    wut? No-one needs extra sodium (unless you have some kind of disease).
    This article explains why

    http://siimland.com/everything-about...while-fasting/


    I'll be doing prolonged fasting once a month as well, 72 hour. Also a liquid fast once a month, also 72 hour. Excel sheet is set up, gogogogogogogo
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    During prolonged fasting that may be helpful, no idea. when eating "normally", pretty much nothing is needed, apart from maybe some D if you live where the sun don't shine, like Finland.
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    Fasting? As in no food at all for 3 days just water?
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    I think it's a typo. He means feasting, as in lots of food for 3 days.
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    @dumbdrunkpeople on Twitter is as advertised
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warpe View Post
    @dumbdrunkpeople on Twitter is as advertised
    Just discovered that one myself a few days ago. Hilarious!

    Also, your signature brings back fond memories of watching FTV around 1990.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    This article explains why

    http://siimland.com/everything-about...while-fasting/


    I'll be doing prolonged fasting once a month as well, 72 hour. Also a liquid fast once a month, also 72 hour. Excel sheet is set up, gogogogogogogo

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    At the end of the day, you're not going to lose weight unless you eat less calories than you burn and that's about it. Fasting is probably solid, but not eating salad because "it'll give you stomach cramps every time," or that the food pyramid was invented to fatten up america to get them ready for military service makes me think that the other 90 minutes contain a lot of horseshit as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    At the end of the day, you're not going to lose weight unless you eat less calories than you burn and that's about it.
    Yeah it's not really that complicated.

    And if you only eat a salad once a year it may well give you stomach cramps, but that's only because your body is used to digesting whatever you eat the most of. If you eat one salad a day and still get cramps there is something wrong with you.

    Modern food pyramid swaps grains with fruit/veg at the bottom and it's not going to make anyone fat.
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    There are calories in shit. It's not quite as simple as burning off what you consume. Maybe fat people digest more of their food than skinny cunts like me. The more I eat, the more I shit. I don't get fat, regardless of my diet and exercise regime.
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    It's gotta be more complicated than "consume fewer calories than you use." Different people need different diets to be healthy.
    I suspect if the answer to weight loss was as simple as that, all the fad diets would actually work.

    I mean, from a physics standpoint, it's hard to find a fault in citing the Conservation of Mass-Energy.
    Amount in - Amount out = change in Amount is a pretty reliable equation in physics, regardless of what the amount in question is.
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    Shit has mass, sure, but the majority of weight loss comes from sweat and breathing.
    Sweat is obvious.

    Breathing because, ignoring the stuff that doesn't change in our lungs, we inhale more O2 than we exhale, and we exhale more CO2 than we inhale. That difference of 1 Carbon atom manages to account for most of our weight loss when multiplied by the sheer number of times it happens in a single breath and the fact that we are (almost) constantly breathing.
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    I fart a lot, too. That must burn calories, not to mention the fact the fart is itself mass.
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    While there's some variation in how many calories are absorbed from food by different people in different states of health, it doesn't change the overall nature of 'Eat less calories = lose weight'.

    A good chunk of a person with a poor diet's mass is undigested food sitting in their colon. Eat a healthy diet, get the digestion moving properly, and they will lose weight (though not fat).

    The biggest energy consumption in the body is the production of heat afaik.

    We also absorb some of the nitrogen that we breathe in, so it's not as simple as comparing O2 in to CO2 out.

    Sweat is mostly water, with some salts and waste as well. If we sweat we can lose weight sure, but you can accomplish that by not drinking water too. Not really a good long-term plan for weight loss.

    Most fad diets don't work because they're not sustainable. They create a deficit in some nutrients that causes the body to get less healthy while it's losing weight. If you just cut out fats or carbs or w/e you're going to fuck your system up, either because you're missing the vitamins/minerals that are in carb-based foods or because you can't live without fat period. If you replace high-calorie, low nutrient foods like a cheeseburger and fries with low-calorie, high nutrient foods like salad, you will get healthier as you lose weight and your body won't rebel. Even then, a healthy diet requires self-discipline, because junk food is fucking tasty.
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    Quoting isn't working at the moment so

    Quote Originally Posted by wufster
    On carnivore diet. Almost to full elimination (gonna purge coffee and half n half this weekend to finally achieve only meat and salt).
    Quote Originally Posted by Jizzy Sawya
    Hormones
    Antibiotics
    Antibiotics even in the feed

    The amount of shit people can convince themselves of is baffling
    Turns out I was wrong. There is such a thing as grassfed beef. You just have to be very selective about the kind of meat (and in particular its procedence) you eat.

    So wuf is right as long as he pays good attention to the origin of the meat he'll eat.

    The diet I'm on is high-fat, medium protein and very low carbs. It works. It's also not very far from a full carnivore diet. I just have to be very selective about the kinds of plant life I eat, particularly to keep the hormones in check (boo estrogen, boo dht etc).

    Oh, and also OMAD
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    Carbs are food for the brain. My theory is Atkins and the low-carb crowd caused Trump to win in 2016.
    Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit.

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    As with everything:

    Low carbs are good for the brain
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...brain#section1

    High carbs are good for the brain
    https://www.mangomannutrition.com/ca...hurting-brain/


    Also, fun fact, ketogenic (low carb, mid protein, high fat) diets were invented to treat brain maladies, such as epilepsy



    BTW, Trump voters probably live on McD's burgers, chicken wings and 2L sodas instead
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    I may have been less than 100% serious in that comment, but I do object to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Also, fun fact, ketogenic (low carb, mid protein, high fat) diets were invented to treat brain maladies, such as epilepsy
    We also use electrical shocks to revive stopped hearts and cytotoxic drugs to treat cancer, whether something has or used to have a medical application doesn't mean they're good for you.

    I think the jury is still out on this one. Meanwhile I'm gonna stick to the basic principle of everything in moderation. It doesn't matter what you eat during a diet, what matters is what you keep eating after it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post

    The diet I'm on is high-fat, medium protein and very low carbs.
    Jordan Peterson and Wuf endorsing a diet should be enough to tell you it's probably not a good idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    It works.
    What do you mean by that? You're losing weight? So do you plan to follow this diet until you have a heart attack or just long enough to lose some weight? What's your plan for eating after that?

    Seriously, this is not sustainable and not healthy. No nutritionist in the world recommends it.

    Try just eating more fruits and vegetables and getting more exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Seriously, this is not sustainable and not healthy. No nutritionist in the world recommends it.
    ARRGHGHGARGARGARGARG!
    Lol. Someone tells you a story about a change they've made in their life which is showing them positive results and your response is that they're stupid.
    Maybe ask a few questions before you whip out your shame finger, dude.

    There is no single diet that is right for all people, not even in microcosms like families or nurseries or retirement homes.

    Nutritionists change their story decade to decade and flip-flop all the damn time. I.e. there is no hard, predictive science that applies to all people.

    There are certainly anecdotal stories of people choosing diets which are very far from societal norms and whom live long, healthy lives.

    Don't be so quick to assume someone making a difficult or dangerous decision lacks any sensible reasons for their choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    ARRGHGHGARGARGARGARG!
    Lol. Someone tells you a story about a change they've made in their life which is showing them positive results and your response is that they're stupid.
    Where did I use the word stupid, bananamonkey? I pointed out it's not considered a healthy diet.



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    Maybe ask a few questions before you whip out your shame finger, dude.
    What questions would you like me to ask? "Hey Jack, are you somehow immune to the negative risks associated with a high fat diet?"



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    There is no single diet that is right for all people, not even in microcosms like families or nurseries or retirement homes.
    Maybe not, but there's plenty of diets that are wrong for most people because you can't stay on them for a long time without making yourself sick.



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    Nutritionists change their story decade to decade and flip-flop all the damn time. I.e. there is no hard, predictive science that applies to all people.
    There is no nutritionist that has ever been advising people to eat a lot of fat. So it's kinda like saying don't tell people not to do one thing because someone can change their mind about another, different thing.



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    There are certainly anecdotal stories of people choosing diets which are very far from societal norms and whom live long, healthy lives.
    You're a scientist and you think anecdotal evidence proves something? There's smokers who live >100 years too. So what?

    If your point is that people are idiosyncratic in how they respond to things like diet and exercise, I agree. But unless he's got some reason to think a high fat diet is good for him specifically, it's probably not.



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    Don't be so quick to assume someone making a difficult or dangerous decision lacks any sensible reasons for their choice.
    Ok. Jack do you have any sensible reasons for choosing this diet beyond wanting to lose some weight?
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    You didn't say stupid, but your assumption was that Jack had no idea of what professionals in the field had to say about it.
    Your assumption was that he doesn't know as well as you do what is good for him.

    Ask any question that will elucidate whether or not your assumptions are correct. Like, "Have you talked to a nutritionist about this, and/or read up on the dangers of "extreme" dieting?"

    Yeah... not all diets are for all people, and some are outright harmful, which can also vary from person to person.

    IDK how you can verify what "no nutritionist has ever advised." Besides, were any of them Jack's nutritionist? Then they can make educated guesses that jack should eat things which other people eat, but that's about it.

    I think the anecdotal evidence shows there isn't a clear "This is right for all people; that is wrong for all people" thing going on. It shows that there are extreme outliers in various people's dietary needs. It shows that conventional wisdom is incomplete, at the very least.

    Yes, there is idiosyncrasy, that's a fine way to put it. For the vast majority of people, a simple, "Eat a variety of foods, and try to eat foods that look like they came from the ground more often than not." is going to be excellent advice.

    Yes, I think you should have lead with a question to Jack about why he's chosen this, rather than assume he's wrong in his choice.
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    Thanks for interjecting your opinions on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Jordan Peterson and Wuf endorsing a diet should be enough to tell you it's probably not a good idea.




    What do you mean by that? You're losing weight? So do you plan to follow this diet until you have a heart attack or just long enough to lose some weight? What's your plan for eating after that?

    Seriously, this is not sustainable and not healthy. No nutritionist in the world recommends it.

    Try just eating more fruits and vegetables and getting more exercise.
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    Here's what I got from that video:

    1. If you add the other countries to that % fat/heart disease graph, the correlation changes from about r= .9 to I'm guessing .4 or .5 - IOW it's still pretty big. And positive. So are you safer in the 20% range of that graph or the 40% range? How about if you're in the 70% range?

    2. Primitive man ate the fat before they ate the meat? Well, maybe they were hungry 'cause they hadn't eaten in three days. Ffs. This proves nothing (assuming it's even true).

    2. The guy who runs 100 mile races eats fat during the race. So what? He didn't say he ate a high fat diet the rest of the time, presumably because he doesn't. So once or twice a year when he races he eats a lot of fat? So, because he doesn't immediately drop dead you should eat lots of fat all the time? Does not compute, and again proves nothing.

    3. Cholesterol is a covariate of something else wrong with the diet is my guess. I agree the hype around cholesterol is probably overblown, but I don't how you get from that to "eating a lot of fat is good for you."

    4. Processed carbs and sugar are bad for you, no kidding. Eating too much processed carbs is as bad as eating too much fat, maybe worse.

    5. The food guidelines changed, then people gained weight. Lol? How many people followed the guidelines? I'll take a guess that you don't get to be 300 lbs by eating mostly grains and fruit/veg. The important question is what people who gain weight eat, not what the government tells people to eat. This guy is using Wuflogic a lot here.

    Jack, stop getting your information from youtube. Seriously. You will find people on there who will tell you all kinds of things. It's 2018 and nutritionists know the fat hype was overblown and they still believe too much fat is bad for you. These people have gone to school, studied nutrition, read the experiments. They aren't 20 year old kids making videos on youtube about shit they hardly know about to make a few extra bucks.

    If you want to lose weight and the keto thing is working for you, then do it until you've lost whatever you want to lose. Then put down the meat and pick up the carrots and celery and spinach and apples. It'll be better for you in the long run.

    I'll try to find you some proper studies to look at later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Here's what I got from that video:

    1. If you add the other countries to that % fat/heart disease graph, the correlation changes from about r= .9 to I'm guessing .4 or .5 - IOW it's still pretty big. And positive. So are you safer in the 20% range of that graph or the 40% range? How about if you're in the 70% range?

    2. Primitive man ate the fat before they ate the meat? Well, maybe they were hungry 'cause they hadn't eaten in three days. Ffs. This proves nothing (assuming it's even true).

    2. The guy who runs 100 mile races eats fat during the race. So what? He didn't say he ate a high fat diet the rest of the time, presumably because he doesn't. So once or twice a year when he races he eats a lot of fat? So, because he doesn't immediately drop dead you should eat lots of fat all the time? Does not compute, and again proves nothing.
    No, from the chart:

    Point 1,10 and 20 are on the same calorie line. The incidences vary wildy.

    Points 3, 21, 9 and 15 same story. The incidences do vary wildly. Once all datapoints are in, the graph does not tell a clear story, as the same fat calorie % leads to wildly different conclusions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    3. Cholesterol is a covariate of something else wrong with the diet is my guess. I agree the hype around cholesterol is probably overblown, but I don't how you get from that to "eating a lot of fat is good for you."
    The main saying goes something like this:

    "Saturated Fat Raises Your Bad Cholesterol and Causes Heart Disease"

    This has been debunked though.

    And in fact, this is closer to reality

    "Despite decades of anti-fat propaganda, saturated fat has never been proven to cause heart disease. In fact, saturated fat improves some of the most important risk factors for heart disease."

    Many more colesterol myths

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...nd-cholesterol

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    4. Processed carbs and sugar are bad for you, no kidding. Eating too much processed carbs is as bad as eating too much fat, maybe worse.
    It's about changing the type of fuel you're burning in your body. One type of fuel burns much more efficiently than the other. TL;DR your body prefers sugar (glucose) as fuel.

    Carbs.

    Deprive your body of the carbs it wants, and you force it to tap into the tank, which is the bellyfat you really want to get rid of, because it affects your hormones fo realz and is unsightly.

    You will also start noticing how motherfucking sweet everything is. Holy added sugar Batman!

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    5. The food guidelines changed, then people gained weight. Lol? How many people followed the guidelines? I'll take a guess that you don't get to be 300 lbs by eating mostly grains and fruit/veg. The important question is what people who gain weight eat, not what the government tells people to eat. This guy is using Wuflogic a lot here.
    Food guidelines affect which foods are more easily available.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Here's what I got from that video:
    Jack, stop getting your information from youtube. Seriously. You will find people on there who will tell you all kinds of things. It's 2018 and nutritionists know the fat hype was overblown and they still believe too much fat is bad for you. These people have gone to school, studied nutrition, read the experiments. They aren't 20 year old kids making videos on youtube about shit they hardly know about to make a few extra bucks.

    If you want to lose weight and the keto thing is working for you, then do it until you've lost whatever you want to lose. Then put down the meat and pick up the carrots and celery and spinach and apples. It'll be better for you in the long run.

    I'll try to find you some proper studies to look at later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    If you want to lose weight and the keto thing is working for you, then do it until you've lost whatever you want to lose. Then put down the meat and pick up the carrots and celery and spinach and apples. It'll be better for you in the long run.
    About them carrots



    A vegan diet leaves you deficient in a lot of nutrients. It fucks up teeth, for example, particularly in kids

    BTW, carrots and celery are great, spinach and apples in moderation (once a week maybe)

    Spinach is rich in oxalates, so you have to thread carefully with them. Going full Popeye is bad for your kidneys
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    The logic behind the Paleo diet goes something like "In olde days, primitive man didn't eat processed foods. Processed foods are bad for you. Therefore they must have had a better diet overall. Here's some stuff we imagine they might have ate. You should eat that too."

    1. There's no detailed evidence on what primitive man actually ate. They had teeth like ours, so they must have been omnivorous. Based on what we can gather from studying primitive tribes today, they spent a lot of their time looking for food and ate whatever they could get their hands on, either plants or animals. They didn't have farms, so they didn't eat a lot of grains. So, they ate fruits, nuts, vegetables, and when they could catch something and kill it, meat. Maybe they ate a lot of meat, maybe not. No-one fucking knows.

    2. There's no detailed evidence about what kind of health primitive man enjoyed. For all we know, there lives were probably brutal, nasty and short. Primitive tribes today have one thing in common; there aren't a lot of old people around. At least none of them are obese.

    3. It's impossible to combine the lack of knowledge about diet with the lack of knowledge about health and come to any conclusions about what is or isn't a healthy diet based on primitive man. It's all just fad bullshit. Really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    No, from the chart:

    Point 1,10 and 20 are on the same calorie line. The incidences vary wildy.

    Points 3, 21, 9 and 15 same story. The incidences do vary wildly. Once all datapoints are in, the graph does not tell a clear story, as the same fat calorie % leads to wildly different conclusions.
    I'm sorry to come across this way, but I'm trained in statistics so I think I know better how to read a graph than you do. You don't look at the individual points and say 'oh that doesn't fit a straight line, ergo the whole graph is bullshit'. You look at the overall pattern. And the overal pattern is pretty clear.
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    I don't even disagree with any of this. But I don't see where it says "eat a lot of fat to be healthy."
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    Food guidelines affect which foods are more easily available.
    Eh, not where I live. You can get whatever food you want here, healthy or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    About them carrots



    A vegan diet leaves you deficient in a lot of nutrients. It fucks up teeth, for example, particularly in kids

    BTW, carrots and celery are great, spinach and apples in moderation (once a week maybe)

    Spinach is rich in oxalates, so you have to thread carefully with them. Going full Popeye is bad for your kidneys
    Good thing I never said eat nothing but vegetables, otherwise I'd look a bit silly now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post

    It's about changing the type of fuel you're burning in your body. One type of fuel burns much more efficiently than the other. TL;DR your body prefers sugar (glucose) as fuel.

    Carbs.

    Deprive your body of the carbs it wants, and you force it to tap into the tank, which is the bellyfat you really want to get rid of, because it affects your hormones fo realz and is unsightly.
    yeah I understand the logic and that you lose weight because you're eating fewer calories than you're burning.



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    You will also start noticing how motherfucking sweet everything is. Holy added sugar Batman!
    That's not proof a high fat diet is good for you. That's a heightened sensitivity caused by your body being starved of carbs. Try not eating any fat for a week and then see how much you taste the fat in a cheeseburger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The logic behind the Paleo diet goes something like "In olde days, primitive man didn't eat processed foods. Processed foods are bad for you. Therefore they must have had a better diet overall. Here's some stuff we imagine they might have ate. You should eat that too."

    1. There's no detailed evidence on what primitive man actually ate. They had teeth like ours, so they must have been omnivorous. Based on what we can gather from studying primitive tribes today, they spent a lot of their time looking for food and ate whatever they could get their hands on, either plants or animals. They didn't have farms, so they didn't eat a lot of grains. So, they ate fruits, nuts, vegetables, and when they could catch something and kill it, meat. Maybe they ate a lot of meat, maybe not. No-one fucking knows.

    2. There's no detailed evidence about what kind of health primitive man enjoyed. For all we know, there lives were probably brutal, nasty and short. Primitive tribes today have one thing in common; there aren't a lot of old people around. At least none of them are obese.

    3. It's impossible to combine the lack of knowledge about diet with the lack of knowledge about health and come to any conclusions about what is or isn't a healthy diet based on primitive man. It's all just fad bullshit. Really.

    Yeah, but Paleao does not compare to Keto.

    Put it this way; the main mechanism behind keto, some dude was awarded a nobel prize in 2016 for it

    https://coachlucyphd.com/2016/10/05/...s-nobel-prize/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Yeah, but Paleao does not compare to Keto.

    Put it this way; the main mechanism behind keto, some dude was awarded a nobel prize in 2016 for it

    https://coachlucyphd.com/2016/10/05/...s-nobel-prize/
    https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Yoshinori_Ohsumi[/QUOTE]

    Uh, no he wasn't. He was awarded a prize for showing how the body cannibalizes cells, not how the body burns fat when you starve it.

    Two fairly different things. Not surprised this website guy thought it nice to draw a connection between his fave diet and a Nobel Prize winner though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Yeah, but Paleao does not compare to Keto.
    Oh sorry, getting my fad diets mixed up.

    Still a bad plan imo. If you're just doing it to lose weight and then going off it, that's one thing and probably ok if it's just in the short term. But if you're doing it as a way of life it's not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Yoshinori_Ohsumi

    Uh, no he wasn't. He was awarded a prize for showing how the body cannibalizes cells, not how the body burns fat when you starve it.

    Two fairly different things. Not surprised this website guy thought it nice to draw a connection between his fave diet and a Nobel Prize winner though.
    That is the main mechanism behind Keto

    Here is a whole 3000 word treatise on this

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    That is the main mechanism behind Keto

    Here is a whole 3000 word treatise on this

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/renew-body-fasting-autophagy
    My point is he didn't do his research with the keto diet in mind...he didn't discover this miracle of physiology that we're just now tapping into so fat people can lose weight.
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    Also, you should ask Wuf how his keto diet went. I seem to remember him talking it up on here a couple of years ago, and now he's switched to eating only meat or something ridiculous like that. So I'm guessing it didn't work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    That is the main mechanism behind Keto

    Here is a whole 3000 word treatise on this

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/renew-body-fasting-autophagy
    In particular read the "What activates autophagy?" and the "A highly controlled process" sections of the link I provided

    Then you may come to understand why carbs are bad mmmkay and fat is good mmmkay for losing bodyfat fast

    You're basically forcing your body to switch fuels
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Also, you should ask Wuf how his keto diet went. I seem to remember him talking it up on here a couple of years ago, and now he's switched to eating only meat or something ridiculous like that. So I'm guessing it didn't work out.

    Alas

    Keto is high fat, medium protein, low carb (apparently, 20g/day is the magic number)

    Carnivore is high fat, medium protein, no carbs, but this time no avocados, eggs, nor almonds for the fat. Just eat fatty beef.

    Do you see how similar these are?

    Both of these is usually combined with intermittent fasting and drinking bone broth w apple cider for the gut health
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    My point is he didn't do his research with the keto diet in mind...he didn't discover this miracle of physiology that we're just now tapping into so fat people can lose weight.
    Aren't most discoveries accidental?
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