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  1. #13801
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    nobody hates swimming. i love swimming therefore everybody loves swimming
    If we're playing Sharks and Minnows, then I'll swim on the bottom for as long as it takes those fucking sharks to get the fuck off of me. My carcass' natural buoyancy will be the first sign of relent. As my chest takes its last convulsions, I'll point myself in a direction such that the force caused by my chest exploding will propel my lifeless body into the wall. Nevermind that I'll automatically be forfeited the next round when I (or rather, what was me) can't go end-to-end; imaginings of a eulogy dedicated to my SnM prowess, promises of making ESPN 7's Top 10 list, and musings of winning a Nobel Prize for most worthwhile bodily sacrifice will goad me.

    But I fucking despise swimming for exercise's sake.
  2. #13802
    the point is to not do it for the sake of exercise but because it's awesome. everybody would be in amazing shape if instead of thinking "i should get in shape" they think "i should do a really fun activity"
  3. #13803
    I just happen to fucking love sports and competition. There might very well be people who both don't care about sports AND who hate laborious physical activity. Now, that's not to say that those people should just give up on their own health and live a sedentary lifestyle, and advice on taking the path of least emotional resistance to be active is worthwhile, but I'm sure as shit not just gonna make a blanket assumption that everyone can stay in shape and have fun at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    working out sucks for anybody who does it just a couple times and quits before results are noticed. if you want to know why people who lift weights get obsessed, it's because they see/feel the transformation and progress

    at this point, i envy anybody who doesn't have injury pain. my pain is the only reason i don't workout anymore/for the time being
    good point about working out sucking for people who quit before results are noticed. I think a lot of that has to do with people invariably starting out too hard/too fast/too soon. If you're an untrained fatass, don't jump right into a high volume strength routine, xfit wods, running, or any relatively hard activity.

    For weights, start with full body workouts on non-consecutive days with 1 submaximal set per muscle group and increase weight and eventually volume from there. Beginners get adaptations from very low levels of activities and there's no reason to risk injury or cripplilng soreness by jumping in near 'what you used to do' (a completely retarded idea for many reasons, but I've seen it enough to know it happens... a lot)

    If you want to get into running, go for a walk. Even a brisk walk won't stimulate aerobic adaptations in fit people but it might in beginners. If nothing else, it starts to condition the feet, ankles, knees, etc. When a 45 minute brisk walk is no longer challening, and it really shouldn't be, work in some intermittent jogging. A lot of runners are overtrained/chronically injured and it often comes down to some combination of too much, too fast, and/or too soon. Some people just don't do well with it at all (especially those who are overweight), nothing wrong with using some other modality instead.
  6. #13806
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    If you want to get into running, go for a walk. Even a brisk walk won't stimulate aerobic adaptations in fit people but it might in beginners. If nothing else, it starts to condition the feet, ankles, knees, etc. When a 45 minute brisk walk is no longer challening, and it really shouldn't be, work in some intermittent jogging. A lot of runners are overtrained/chronically injured and it often comes down to some combination of too much, too fast, and/or too soon. Some people just don't do well with it at all (especially those who are overweight), nothing wrong with using some other modality instead.
    Also improper Gate or technique, lack of strength or stamina training. There are periodization forms of training that would help a lot of runners as much as they help weight lifters.
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    Definitely. Running is hard on the legs... that isn't meant disparagingly to running, just an acknowledgement that intelligent programming is crucial, especially when combining it with other activities that are hard on the legs. Too often you see people slapping programs on top of each other without concern for the overlap.

    There are also a lot of ways to keep the impact from running at a manageable level... e.g. forefoot strike, good shoes, relatively softer running surfaces... I'm sure more enthusiastic/experienced runners could add more here.
  8. #13808
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    There are also a lot of ways to keep the impact from running at a manageable level... e.g. forefoot strike, good shoes, relatively softer running surfaces... I'm sure more enthusiastic/experienced runners could add more here.
    This is Key. Shoes are almost always one of the problems. Not in the way you think, shoes cause us to run improperly to our bio mechanics. I retaught a woman to run who was plagued with injuries but loved running so much she was crying about her doctor telling her she had to quit. 3 months after some strength and flexibility training I got her doing slow intervals on a treadmill in socks. She had to learn to forward lean, land on her balls and not the heels and kick her heels. She runs 10K's now with no pain, but spends almost as much time in the gym and stretching as she does running.
  9. #13809
    any thoughts or knowledge on running while pigeon-toed? i am pigeon-toed - it's apparently quite noticeable when i walk (sometimes i'll literally trip over myself *sigh*) - and i want to get more into running. i haven't read anything that says it poses any significant or unique risks, but i wonder if you guys have anything extra to add about that.
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  10. #13810
    It shouldn't pose anymore problems than I think any runner would have, except I could see some over stretching of the IT band on the outside of the leg if you are planting your fron foot too hard. I advise all people wanting to learn to run read everything you can on Chi Running or Barefoot running and learn to land properly.
  11. #13811
    truly dawned on me today how close i came to not existing anymore.

    i might say fuck it and go back to having purple hair.
    I will destroy you with sunshine and kittens.
  12. #13812
    i think i'm dying my hair today too. omg, might we, hand in hand, skip merrily and douse this thread with estrogen together and post pictures of our hair?!??!?!!?!? ^_____^__^_^_^_^_^_^__^_^___^_^_______^__^_^_^_^_^ __^_^_^_^_^
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  13. #13813
    My usual morning routine is to eat last night's leftovers with a cup of tea and read; today I had pizza and pepsi and argued about baseball on the internet. I feel so American.
  14. #13814
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    i think i'm dying my hair today too. omg, might we, hand in hand, skip merrily and douse this thread with estrogen together and post pictures of our hair?!??!?!!?!? ^_____^__^_^_^_^_^_^__^_^___^_^_______^__^_^_^_^_^ __^_^_^_^_^
    lol, maybe in a week or more, if i end up going back purple, it'll take time because it's a process. bleach, conditioning treatment, bleach, conditioning treatment, make sure roots match[more bleach], conditioning treatment, then finally the purple or w/e.

    idk if i'm going to do it though, it's a pain in the ass to keep up.

    however, you should post pictures anyway. <3
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  15. #13815
    I had purple hair when I went to Glastonbury. It pissed it down and caused it to run, leaving it almost pink, with purple streaks running down my face. That might have been the last time I dyed my hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    My usual morning routine is to eat last night's leftovers with a cup of tea and read; today I had pizza and pepsi and argued about baseball on the internet. I feel so American.
    Change tea to coffee and baseball to gridiron football and you might be onto something here.
  17. #13817
    Live storm chasers...

    http://tvnweather.com/live

    Awesome stuff. I hope none of you lot are in the path of this fucker they're currently chasing.
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  18. #13818
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I had purple hair when I went to Glastonbury. It pissed it down and caused it to run, leaving it almost pink, with purple streaks running down my face. That might have been the last time I dyed my hair.
    Do you remember what brand of dye it was? That sounds odd to me that it'd run like that.

    In other news - I filled out FAFSA stuff last night. Might be going to college either in the Fall or more likely so in the Spring 2015. I go to a local college's info type thing on May 28th, just to learn some shit about the college and whatnot. It's a college that the day classes are all female, and night classes have a few men that go. Smaller campus, nicer area, all around seems like a good fit for me. GL me, right?
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  19. #13819
    Nah it was 15 years ago or so, I have't a clue. It was cheap stuff they had at the local hippie shop. It was ok until it started raining.
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  20. #13820
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Nah it was 15 years ago or so, I have't a clue. It was cheap stuff they had at the local hippie shop. It was ok until it started raining.
    Well, then that was probably the problem.
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    Incredible lecture. Dude is super accurate in the things he says
    Reaching way back to say this was a great watch.
  22. #13822
    ugh being a positive person is exhausting.
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  23. #13823
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post
    ugh being a positive person is exhausting.
    Really? I find it the other way round - negativity drains me, while being positive is not something I really have to try to achieve.

    You still painting?
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  24. #13824
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Really? I find it the other way round - negativity drains me, while being positive is not something I really have to try to achieve.

    You still painting?
    i think the reason it's exhausting to me is because i'm having to fight to be as such right now. today seems a bit harder, but maybe once i go to therapy and whatnot i'll feel better.

    yes on the still painting front - working on 3[kind of] right now. one i started last year sometime, second is of a fucking tree [of all things] i started after the accident, third is one i'm doing for a friend who wanted to buy one of my other paintings but i decided to just do one for him because i'm attached to the ones i've done.

    in other news - i'm fixing my parents friend's computer because apparently it got the virus that's on IE? it's windows 8, and all i did was restore it back to factory settings, then d/led stuff for malware/rootkits/viruses on a usb drive. i have no idea what the fuck i'm doing, but if it works, it works.
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    i think the reason it's exhausting to me is because i'm having to fight to be as such right now. today seems a bit harder, but maybe once i go to therapy and whatnot i'll feel better.
    I hope so. This is why I asked if you were painting still, I think it's a great method of therapy. Even if your paintings are negative, it's a means to channel it. idk if it works like that for you. I can't paint for shit but that doesn't stop me trying, especially if I'm feeling shit. It makes me feel a little better. I haven't been in such a dark place you are though so it's not easy for me to put myself in your position. I just hope nice things happen to you soon, really I do.
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  26. #13826
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I hope so. This is why I asked if you were painting still, I think it's a great method of therapy. Even if your paintings are negative, it's a means to channel it. idk if it works like that for you. I can't paint for shit but that doesn't stop me trying, especially if I'm feeling shit. It makes me feel a little better. I haven't been in such a dark place you are though so it's not easy for me to put myself in your position. I just hope nice things happen to you soon, really I do.
    The painting I started for just me isn't negative at all, and the one I started last year is like 3ft, then the one I'm doing for a friend is bright and cheery. I think everyone can do art, even people that say they're 'bad' at it - to me it's art. There is no good or bad.

    Is it weird that I want to say, "No, I'm not in a dark place, everything is okay!"? In order for nice things to happen I have to put effort into things, which I'm doing. I'm pretty fucking determined, but I'm also very far past emotionally exhausted, lol.
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  27. #13827
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post
    ugh being a positive person is exhausting.
    Forced positivity isn't healthy.

    Stop judging yourself so harshly for having human emotions and shit becomes easier. Just don't hurt anyone intentionally and we'll all get along just fine.
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    On another topic, why does the Trivago guy look so dirty?
  29. #13829
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    Forced positivity isn't healthy.

    Stop judging yourself so harshly for having human emotions and shit becomes easier. Just don't hurt anyone intentionally and we'll all get along just fine.
    Meh. For me, at least currently and more than likely for a while, I've got to tell myself I am going to be okay. I allow myself to break down, but yeah, if I didn't force myself to understand I am going to be okay, the nice way to put it is I wouldn't be breathing.

    Odd thing - and very fucked up, I'm sure, I'd rather go through this pain. When someone asks me how I am, I say I'm okay, because if I didn't say I was okay and I told them how I truly was - they would feel bad. I'd rather feel bad for them, because in some fucked twisted way I feel like I can handle it better.

    In other news - I have an appointment with my tattoo artist on the 9th, I'm so excite.
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  30. #13830
    there was a brown recluse in my bedroom last night. by the time i found something to send it to it's death - it disappeared.

    we're about to bug bomb the whole house, and i put a harness on the cat, as well as a leash.

    i slept in my room last night though, surprisingly. i have a high dislike of spiders, so yeah.
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    Spiders are awesome, though. They eat so many annoying little bastards. I'm waiting for the breed that figures out how to snack on stinkbugs and I'm gonna build them a god damn spider mansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Spiders are awesome, though. They eat so many annoying little bastards. I'm waiting for the breed that figures out how to snack on stinkbugs and I'm gonna build them a god damn spider mansion.

    how glorious this would be

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  33. #13833
    I am scared of spiders. Very no likely of the spiders.

    My automatic reaction towards a spider is that it is going to attack me. The only 2 that could make me sick around here is the black widow and the brown recluse. Brown recluse was in my room, and Dad was saying he saw some black widows outside last year.

    However - we did the bug bomb. Hopefully all the spiders are dead.
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    Better have been an arachnid bomb, though.
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    I mock my friends for being afraid of spiders, but to be fair we don't have scary spiders here. Being scared of something that could not hurt you even if it wanted to amuses me greatly. It's like being afraid of candy floss or something.

    Throw me in a country with nasty spiders and yeah I'll probably shit bricks too if I saw a beefy looking fucker.
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    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    Thanks guys, for being guys.
    Also, Kornholio - fuck you, fuck you and that spider shit.

    In other news - I made pineapple upside down cupcakes couple nights ago - and yes, they are good.
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    I love gabbagool. Would pay top dollar for gabbagool delivery.
  40. #13840
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    This made me very sad.

    :[
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  41. #13841
    To be fair I'd probably kill whatever that is. It has four eyes. Fuck that shit.
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  42. #13842
    And one long eyelash.

    Yeah kill it.
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  44. #13844
    What if cows are on a higher intelligence level and they just don't give a fuck, cause they're completely cool with being slaughtered and being turned into tasty food.
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    Hey guys. Did I miss anything in the ~1.5 years I was gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Hey guys. Did I miss anything in the ~1.5 years I was gone?
    just gator stealing any claim to wolfgoating that you arguably could have had
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post
    What if cows are on a higher intelligence level and they just don't give a fuck, cause they're completely cool with being slaughtered and being turned into tasty food.
    You'd like Hitchhiker's Guide.

    “For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    You'd like Hitchhiker's Guide.

    “For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.”
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    I watched the movie, obviously not the same as reading the book - but I did enjoy the movie.

    I read the book The Fault in Our Stars last night within 2 hours, non-stop. No idea how I didn't cry. But, those feels. As of yesterday it's been 8 weeks. Time keeps moving, and that in itself is hard to deal with.
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    one of the fucking kids we hired got plastered on the job so drinking is now outlawed at work. fuck.

    ?wut
  50. #13850
    The glances I get from women have slowly begun returning. At 250 I was basically invisible. The weight-loss stretch from 215 to 205 is harder than I expected, but I remember that 205 is when the attention from women picks up a lot. The final goal, 185, will be ridiculous

    If somebody tells you women aren't as shallow as men, don't believe them. Back when I was athletic and hot I remember being blown away at how much attention I got. Then I got fat and was likewise blown away at how little I got. All the while, my personality changed in no way. I used to think my main attraction to women was wit and playful communication, but have since learned that means little short of shit. Attraction is a physical thing, through and through
  51. #13851
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Attraction is a physical thing, through and through
    Agree and disagree. Someone can be physically attractive, and once you get to know them [if you do] and they have a shit personality - their attraction goes down. Someone can be kind of physically attractive and have an amazing personality and be more attractive to you than the more attractive person.

    As far as first glances goes - yeah, men and women both enjoy what they find physically attractive. A man won't really pay much attention to the slightly-less than average female, but obviously if you put a slightly above average female in their area, they're like hound dogs on a chase.

    However, looks fade over time, it's key to have intelligence and a good personality to keep someone interested. But, physical health is important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post
    Agree and disagree. Someone can be physically attractive, and once you get to know them [if you do] and they have a shit personality - their attraction goes down. Someone can be kind of physically attractive and have an amazing personality and be more attractive to you than the more attractive person.
    Only once it's jumbled with all the other life stuff. "Attraction" is a broad enough word that it can be used for two vastly different things in casual attraction and partnership attraction.

    My point is along the lines that when it comes to "casual attraction", my personality means shit. If I'm physically hot, I act virtually any way and get attention, but if I'm not, I probably just come off as a creep.

    Back when I was thin and buff, my personality only helped get women infatuated with me. But when fat, my personality does virtually nothing for me.
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    I think attraction is ultimately more integrated for women.. like, being an alchemy of looks and personality. Like, a guy who isn't conventionally attractive but has an offbeat look that is also super intelligent, charismatic, etc, can be the sexiest guy in the world. I think this happens with guys too (like a woman who's cute but has an amazing personality/charisma will be sexier than a boring woman with supermodel looks), but I think there's a lot more leeway when it comes to what will attract a woman. That's just from my personal experience and what I've noticed in others.

    I've never felt any significant attraction to just the sight of a fit male body. Getting a sense of a guy's disposition is a must. Like, I can appreciate a fit male body and realize yeah, it's hot, but I'm not inspired by any kind of lust when I look at one.

    With casual attraction, yes, conventional standard levels of attractiveness helps, men or women. But again, there's still disposition, style, etc.

    Then again, wuf, you're also talking specifically about weight, which is slightly different.. I agree, the leaner guy will have the advantage with casual attraction, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Only once it's jumbled with all the other life stuff. "Attraction" is a broad enough word that it can be used for two vastly different things in casual attraction and partnership attraction.

    My point is along the lines that when it comes to "casual attraction", my personality means shit. If I'm physically hot, I act virtually any way and get attention, but if I'm not, I probably just come off as a creep.

    Back when I was thin and buff, my personality only helped get women infatuated with me. But when fat, my personality does virtually nothing for me.
    Then yeah. 'Casual attraction' can't be helped with personality. We agree.

    But, I wouldn't exactly call it shallow. Some people have a certain attraction towards certain types of body shapes. It's just one of those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Back when I was athletic and hot
    HI! I'M WUFWUGY! ATHLETIC AND HOT!

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    people who are awesome = hot.
    people who are not awesome = not hot.

    also lipbites = hot.

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    Yeah, you have to be at least a little good looking to get their attention. Then you've just gotta be relaxed and sociable to trick 'em into really liking you.
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    I don't think it's shallow either. And I still think that disposition is something that can be easily detected as attractiveness if you're looking at someone in real time.

    But yeah, really, how do we define shallow? Do you gauge shallowness by what kind of people someone is willing to give a chance? Do you gauge shallowness by the range of attractiveness in someone's partners? What does it even mean?

    I think if you are convinced you can only fall in love or have a real connection with someone who is some idealized version of physical perfection, then you have no idea what love is. Maybe that's what shallow is. Maybe it's just ignorance. We all have a pretty good idea of what we're attracted to in general - it's not like lust has to necessarily be related to love, or even liking someone - but when you actually love someone and click on all levels, it's very possible that it'll subvert your notions of what you thought you'd be attracted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Yeah, you have to be at least a little good looking to get their attention. Then you've just gotta be relaxed and sociable to trick 'em into really liking you.

    Have I told you recently how awesome you are? If not, you are awesome. I have, you are equally awesome.

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    brb going to write rilla/bikes slash fiction
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    I don't think it's shallow either. And I still think that disposition is something that can be easily detected as attractiveness if you're looking at someone in real time.

    But yeah, really, how do we define shallow? Do you gauge shallowness by what kind of people someone is willing to give a chance? Do you gauge shallowness by the range of attractiveness in someone's partners? What does it even mean?

    I think if you are convinced you can only fall in love or have a real connection with someone who is some idealized version of physical perfection, then you have no idea what love is. Maybe that's what shallow is. Maybe it's just ignorance. We all have a pretty good idea of what we're attracted to in general - it's not like lust has to necessarily be related to love, or even liking someone - but when you actually love someone and click on all levels, it's very possible that it'll subvert your notions of what you thought you'd be attracted to.
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    I like you and YOUR hair, in all its copper glory. My olive skin won't allow for hair that perty. (oh shit that rhymes! i consider that my first ode to you)
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  65. #13865
    I used shallow in the way it's a stereotype of men, where men supposedly care about looks too much. I am arguing that isn't true because women care about looks just as much. The difference is on the margins and cultural.

    At the very least, I have this perspective because I have experienced both extremes. I know what it's like to be hot and not-hot, and the difference is night and day. The difference is so great that I now consider the claim that women care less about hotness to be bullshit. Perhaps culture tells people sexes are different in this regard, or even people think of themselves as different, but it's really just a bunch of bull.
  66. #13866
    It's not that women care less about hotness in the sense that we naturally care less about being super turned on.

    What I'm saying is that what turns us on is more integrated - has ultimately more to do with the combination of looks and personality - than it is for men.
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  67. #13867
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    I like you and YOUR hair, in all its copper glory. My olive skin won't allow for hair that perty. (oh shit that rhymes! i consider that my first ode to you)
    Well, my paper white skin shalln't allow the beautiful dark hues of your mane, so with my copper glory I shall remain.

    Girl.

    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I used shallow in the way it's a stereotype of men, where men supposedly care about looks too much. I am arguing that isn't true because women care about looks just as much. The difference is on the margins and cultural.

    At the very least, I have this perspective because I have experienced both extremes. I know what it's like to be hot and not-hot, and the difference is night and day. The difference is so great that I now consider the claim that women care less about hotness to be bullshit. Perhaps culture tells people sexes are different in this regard, or even people think of themselves as different, but it's really just a bunch of bull.
    Eh. I've experienced both as well, mostly the lesser while I was a teen. It is a night and day difference, but - I don't see the big deal in it. It is how it is. As long as you do your part to keep yourself physically and mentally healthy - that's all you can do, and that's all that matters. If someone doesn't give you 'fuck me eyes' it isn't a big deal. Sure, it's a boost to the ego, but meh, it's better to have a confidence in yourself that no matter what you think good of yourself. It's a hard thing to do, but when you do it, it's easier to deal with the 'oh someone isn't giving me the "fuck me" eyes feeling.'.
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  68. #13868
    Maybe your personal experiences and how you relate to them aren't quite enough to justify grand theories. Your point seems to be that women find good looking men attractive, surely that is obvious?

    Are you sure you're not confusing the fact that women tend to be less confident on forcing themselves on men in society for various reasons that they care less about how physically attractive they find their partner?
  69. #13869
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    It's not that women care less about hotness in the sense that we naturally care less about being super turned on.

    What I'm saying is that what turns us on is more integrated - has ultimately more to do with the combination of looks and personality - than it is for men.
    Well that difference is definitely cultural. It also only exists in certain ways. Like, it is true that men can more easily get off on a cardboard cutout than women, but the more it becomes about real-time interaction, the more that effect fades, to such a degree that it's ultimately non-existent.

    If you supplant the "get-off-on-cardboard-cutout" guy into real world situations, I think what he's attracted to is just as integrated as with women. There are still cultural differences, but ultimately I think the physical hotness factor in choosing mates is the same for each sex.

    If this wasn't true, I think we would find different kinds of evidences for it. For example, in school, there is zero statistical significance in the amount of men or women who date out of their league. Across all of society, dating out of your league is super rare.
  70. #13870
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelle View Post
    Well, my paper white skin shalln't allow the beautiful dark hues of your mane, so with my copper glory I shall remain.

    Girl.



    Eh. I've experienced both as well, mostly the lesser while I was a teen. It is a night and day difference, but - I don't see the big deal in it. It is how it is. As long as you do your part to keep yourself physically and mentally healthy - that's all you can do, and that's all that matters. If someone doesn't give you 'fuck me eyes' it isn't a big deal. Sure, it's a boost to the ego, but meh, it's better to have a confidence in yourself that no matter what you think good of yourself. It's a hard thing to do, but when you do it, it's easier to deal with the 'oh someone isn't giving me the "fuck me" eyes feeling.'.
    You not thinking it isn't a big deal is part of why I think the difference is a myth. There are a whole swath of men that are virtually invisible to women because of what they look like. It isn't about "fuck me eyes", it's about being given the time of day. Our culture acknowledges how women suffer in this regard due to lacking in hotness, but men having it the same way is not acknowledged.

    Which brings me to my next point: the friendzone is a myth. It's the "you're not hot enough for me" zone. The fact that men even have defined something called the friendzone demonstrates that the culture doesn't acknowledge the role of physical hotness when attracting women

    Also, I'm not saying what makes a man hot is the same thing as a woman. A dude can have a bangin' body yet dress or walk like a tard and be not hot. But the same thing is true of women. Women do tend to put slightly more stock in mannerisms than men, but I'd argue just slightly
  71. #13871
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Maybe your personal experiences and how you relate to them aren't quite enough to justify grand theories.



    I'm partly joking. Experiences are a way of relating. I wouldn't have even thought of this had it not been for the experiences, but I don't particularly think of them as the basic evidence. However, one of the reasons for the inefficiency of anecdote is because the effects are easily misunderstood. But that doesn't mean what one person experiences isn't also what the average person experiences. Everything we experience is very average

    Are you sure you're not confusing the fact that women tend to be less confident on forcing themselves on men in society for various reasons that they care less about how physically attractive they find their partner?
    I'm not. Also I don't think women are less confident in that regard like you say. In some ways they're quite a bit more aggressive, and those ways are definitely cultural. For example women are far more touchy with people they're attracted to, because of the culture.
  72. #13872
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    You not thinking it isn't a big deal is part of why I think the difference is a myth. There are a whole swath of men that are virtually invisible to women because of what they look like. It isn't about "fuck me eyes", it's about being given the time of day. Our culture acknowledges how women suffer in this regard due to lacking in hotness, but men having it the same way is not acknowledged.

    Which brings me to my next point: the friendzone is a myth. It's the "you're not hot enough for me" zone. The fact that men even have defined something called the friendzone demonstrates that the culture doesn't acknowledge the role of physical hotness when attracting women

    Also, I'm not saying what makes a man hot is the same thing as a woman. A dude can have a bangin' body yet dress or walk like a tard and be not hot. But the same thing is true of women. Women do tend to put slightly more stock in mannerisms than men, but I'd argue just slightly
    I'm not thinking it's a big deal based on my own personal views that understand that this is how it is. I understand very much of what it feels like not to be given the time of day, but I'm not going to be bitter towards people that have a certain preference.

    The only thing I can do for myself is to improve myself, and be happy with myself - and not allow myself to get drawn into the idea that I'm not someone's idea of attractive.

    Not trying to start an argument, I know where you're coming from, but I understand from the female perspective. I've just come to an understanding.
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  73. #13873
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    If this wasn't true, I think we would find different kinds of evidences for it. For example, in school, there is zero statistical significance in the amount of men or women who date out of their league. Across all of society, dating out of your league is super rare.
    you're wrong. I'm too lazy to prove it but I just know it lol. It's not super rare and it is definitely more common for conventionally attractive women to date (and be genuinely interested in - I'm excluding golddiggers and all that shit) men who don't match their conventional level of attractiveness. That's fact, I said it, case closed, stfu. <3 World's greatest debater, signing out. (except probably not but w/e)
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  74. #13874
    although I will concede that if u fug, u fug. not trying to say that every guy benefits from the differences i'm talking about. there are def fuggies of both sexes that go unnoticed, and it's a problem for both.

    like what I'm talking about is the fact that there really aren't any female equivalents of Seth Rogen (which might not be true on an individual basis, but Seth Rogen attracts females in a widespread way that I just do not see a female equivalent of). But Seth Rogen is not fug either, just offbeat.
    Free your mind and your ass will follow.
  75. #13875
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    you're wrong. I'm too lazy to prove it but I just know it lol. It's not super rare and it is definitely more common for conventionally attractive women to date (and be genuinely interested in - I'm excluding golddiggers and all that shit) men who don't match their conventional level of attractiveness. That's fact, I said it, case closed, stfu. <3 World's greatest debater, signing out. (except probably not but w/e)
    I didn't say conventional. That changes everything. If we were talking about a subset of attractiveness types, you would be right. I wasn't referring to any of that though. Even when I was really into black chicks, the same general principles applied even though they could appear to not.

    People dating out of their league is super rare. There is also some variance to what makes a league. The more personable relationships become, the wider the variance

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