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    w.r.t. the $4 thing. Minimum wage includes tips. Most restaurants pay 1/2 or less of the stated minimum wage and law says everyone has to declare their tips for tax purposes, which are deducted from the wage on each paycheck. The law says that if an employee making tips earns less than minimum wage after tips, the employer is required to supplement their pay up to the legal minimum wage. I've never heard of that happening, despite my many years working in various restaurants. This isn't because employers are breaking the law. It's because I've never heard of anyone who works for tips making less than minimum wage in their tips alone.
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    I've worked for tips and I've had co workers who neglected to keep track of their tips (as did I), and most likely overestimated how much they made in tips.
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    This is what islamophobia begets

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    Fox news disabled comments on all videos relating to the New Zealand mosque shooting. I don't think it was because of all the condolences.
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...fraser_anning/

    +4500 upvote thread on the Donald Trump fan subreddit states that the real reason this shooting has happened is because muslims in New Zealand exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    This is what islamophobia begets.
    This is extremism, this isn't mere Islamopobia. If an Islamic attack happens, and I post a link, you would, rightly, point out that it's an extremist minority, that it doesn't represetn Islam. Well, this doesn't represent Islamophobia. This represents evil hatred.

    This is, thankfully, very rare. Muslims are safe in our countries, unlike Christians in Muslim countries.

    Notice how New Zealand is grieving. All of New Zealand. Nobody is celebrating this, not except dark corners of the internet.

    This happened because there's extremists on all sides. Despite this, Muslims are still safe in NZ, UK, USA, as equally safe as non-Muslims are. We all have to live under the threat of terrorism. It's an overall minor threat that doesn't impact on everyday life.

    Meanwhile, around the world... 11 Christians Killed Every Day

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This is extremism, this isn't mere Islamopobia. If an Islamic attack happens, and I post a link, you would, rightly, point out that it's an extremist minority, that it doesn't represetn Islam. Well, this doesn't represent Islamophobia. This represents evil hatred.

    This is, thankfully, very rare. Muslims are safe in our countries, unlike Christians in Muslim countries.

    Notice how New Zealand is grieving. All of New Zealand. Nobody is celebrating this, not except dark corners of the internet.

    This happened because there's extremists on all sides. Despite this, Muslims are still safe in NZ, UK, USA, as equally safe as non-Muslims are. We all have to live under the threat of terrorism. It's an overall minor threat that doesn't impact on everyday life.

    Meanwhile, around the world... 11 Christians Killed Every Day

    Is Christianophobia a word?
    Your link is from Open Doors USA

    In review, Open Doors’ primary mission is to empower Christians who are persecuted for their beliefs. They do this through providing financial help and Bibles to those in countries with significant Christian minorities. They also report news about Christian persecutions around the world. For example, in this article: A DARK REALITY—CHRISTIAN WOMEN IN 73 COUNTRIES FACE HIDDEN PERSECUTION EVERY DAY, they write a detailed and compelling account of persecution of Christians, but they do not provide a single link or source to validate these claims. Sadly, these claims may be true, but the reader has no way of knowing without further unnecessary research. In another article that you can view here, they again do not provide linked evidence, but rather offer prayers.


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    Media bias is a thing though
    On this we agree.

    Your link is from Open Doors USA
    Fair enough, but persecution of Christians is certainly a thing, and it goes undereported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    On this we agree.



    Fair enough, but persecution of Christians is certainly a thing, and it goes undereported.

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    These people are not free, not by the standards of freedom we take for granted in the West.
    You make that sound like msm is somehow deliberately underreporting on crimes against christians when most likely they're just not reporting on Mauritanian politics ever because there's no demand for that.

    Also the knee jerk "buh buh buht muslims also bad sometimes" is at best whataboutism, and in the case of shithead racists like Fraser Anning - a justification for murdering muslims... because if you don't murder them, they will "replace whites" because of how much "we really don't understand anything about population dynamics."
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    "buh buh buht muslims also bad sometimes"
    It's not really "sometimes" though, not in the context of terrorist attacks. It's "usually". I'm no longer shocked when there's an Islamic attack. This has shocked me. That's because I'm not yet desensitised to Muslims getting shot in Western countries, not least a peaceful place like NZ.

    I've no idea who Fraser Anning is but if he justifies the murder of Muslims then he's what I would call an extremist and should probably be kept an eye on.
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    The other night, as a sort of psycho-cultural experiment, I tried to watch “The Usual Suspects,” for many years one of my favorite movies.

    I couldn’t do it.

    I stopped less than two minutes in. The film is brilliantly done and has long fascinated me. I used to quote the dialogue all the time. I’m pretty sure I’ll never again quote a single line. All because the film stars Kevin Spacey and was directed by Bryan Singer, both of whom have come down hard as the #MeToo movement storms through the entertainment industry.

    Much to my surprise, I seem to have joined what has come to be called “cancel culture.”

    Cancel culture is as hotly debated as it is variously defined. At its heart, the term refers to editing one’s own awareness of the world of popular culture, to eliminate from active consciousness the works of those who have been credibly accused of doing terrible things to other people — particularly when they have faced few or no legal consequences.

    Amanda Marcotte, writing recently in Salon, puts it this way: “We can’t make them go to jail, the thinking goes, but we can take them off our screens and out of our headphones. It’s an attempt to assert control over a situation where victims and their allies often have none.”

    The occasion for Marcotte’s reflection was the back-to-back releases of Lifetime’s “Surviving R. Kelly” and HBO’s “Leaving Neverland” — a sad coincidence that has occasioned a great deal of soul searching. Over at the Ringer, a headline asks: “Can the Music of Michael Jackson and R. Kelly Be Canceled?”

    This is cancel culture at its best: an appeal at once to the individual’s conscience and aesthetic sensibility. The effort is not to force anyone’s judgment on anyone else; rather, the effort is to discipline the self to set aside an affinity for that which is now tainted. Viewed this way, cancel culture falls within a long tradition of stoical movements that disdained part or all of the larger world. The very inwardness of cancel culture creates its moral appeal.

    The movement becomes more insidious, however, when it marches beyond the borders of nonparticipation and into the realm of prohibition. This has arguably happened in young adult fiction, where social media campaigns can lead to the postponement or even cancellation of a title. That’s a bad result, in part because books themselves, in their infinitely provocative diversity, are a good; but also because the movement is then engaged in trying to make unavailable to everybody else whatever its own members would prefer not to read. History teaches that “No one should have access to the things I hate” is a dangerous claim.

    Better by far to leave the choice to the individual. Last month, New York magazine listed what it considered the best movies streaming on Netflix. Two of them — “L. A. Confidential” and “Seven” — feature Kevin Spacey. Omitting them, either from Vulture’s list or Netflix’s library, would have been peculiar. Both are excellent pieces of work; and they are not less excellent because of the credible accusations leveled against one of their stars.

    But even if no less excellent, a film might become less watchable. Some viewers will see this as the place to make a stand; others will not. What matters is that the viewer be allowed to make the choice.

    And those choices can be difficult. “Am I a bad person if I still watch Woody Allen movies?” a worried fan asked last year on Quora. Allen was once among the most honored directors in the world, and his oeuvre has brought me considerable pleasure over the years, but nowadays a lot of people are ready to pledge never to watch another one of his films. 1

    On the other hand, Jeva Lange, writing in The Week, argues that there’s a crucial difference between boycotting a singer’s music and boycotting a director’s films. A solo singer is, in effect, the entire production — certainly from the point of view of the consumer. A film, she contends, is different; there isn’t really a single auteur: “To summarily dismiss ‘Woody Allen films’ because Allen himself is accused of despicable behavior is to also inadvertently write off the symphonic city shots of Gordon Willis in ‘Manhattan,’ the zany costumes designed by Ruth Morley for ‘Annie Hall,’ or the underrated Ingrid Bergman-esque performance by Geraldine Page in ‘Interiors.’”

    And Lange adds a caution, made urgent by the #MeToo moment: “Perhaps you believe that one bad apple spoils the barrel; I would strongly caution that this dismissal often brushes off the contributions particularly of women, whose incredible work is all too frequently in non-directorial positions.”

    Moreover, if we boycott the director, shall we boycott the producer as well? Consider the case of Harvey Weinstein, the accusations against whom are perhaps the most compelling. But he helped produce one critically acclaimed film after another — including “Pulp Fiction,” “Good Will Hunting,” and “Shakespeare in Love” — and had a hand in some of Broadway’s most important productions, including “Frost/Nixon” and “The Producers.” If we don’t watch what Allen directed, should we also not watch what Weinstein produced?

    Moreover, even if there are artists whose work we can no longer stomach, we must be wary of writing them out of history. Consider Michael Jackson, whose 1982 “Thriller” album — and, particularly, the video of the title track, released the following year. The song and the video not only rescued a moribund music industry but arguably brought black music back firmly into a mainstream that was in the process of shoving it to the margins. We can choose never again to listen to his music, but it would be a terrible wrong to pretend that his influence was less than it was.

    I’m not arguing for particular solution to the problem of who should watch or listen to what. I’m arguing only that we leave the judgment to individual fans — in that sense, that we let the market decide.

    Marcotte correctly calls cancel culture “an incoherent and inadequate response to sexual abuse.” But its appeal, she adds, lies in the lack of alternatives: “People turn to it because real justice is elusive.” She’s right. Sometimes, deciding what we can and can’t stomach is the best we can do.
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    Oh, this is Fraser Anning?

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    Trump on Coming Debt Crisis: ‘I Won’t Be Here’ When It Blows Up
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    "lolol national debt? I don't give a fuck" said every president ever. Except the one who got shot.
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    I think Clinton at least passed a balanced budget once. If not specifically addressing the national debt, at least not contributing to the increase for a year... or at least, that's what I remember hearing at the time.
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    I wonder what that graph would look like if it was % of GDP, rather than the alarming "billions of dollars" with no consideration even for inflation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I wonder what that graph would look like if it was % of GDP, rather than the alarming "billions of dollars" with no consideration even for inflation.
    Good question. Does the national debt cause inflation?

    This is a somewhat complex situation, but here’s a simplification.

    Actually, national debt by itself does not directly cause inflation - the effect is indirect. The primary cause of inflation is increases in wages that are not offset by increases in productivity. In other words, it costs more to make a product or provide a service, so the price goes up. Another cause is devaluation of the currency (when a country’s currency is worth less in proportion to others, all imported goods cost more). And anything else that causes prices to rise will cause inflation, such as scarcity of some important commodity. A good example of this was what happened to the price of oil in the 1980’s, which meant that the price of gasoline and heating oil and jet fuel and plastic (made out of petroleum) went up and the result was rampant inflation. Even today there is significant inflationary pressure because of increases in the price of oil, after a decade of relatively low prices.

    When a country has a national debt, and most do, it has to pay interest on that debt and to repay the loans when they become due. If it has too much debt, the interest and repayment burdens become a big drain on the country’s revenues. A country can respond to this in several ways:

    *** Austerity programs (higher taxes and/or lower government benefits) so they can pay the interest on the debt. Usually such programs are designed to have budget surpluses so they can pay down the debt. But this causes inflation in the sense that people pay higher taxes and get fewer government benefits, so they seek higher wages to compensate.
    *** “Print money” to pay the interest. This devalues the currency because there is more of it out there than is needed to support the economy. On the world currency market, it is recognized that there is too much of the country’s currency floating around out there, so people don’t value it as much. So imported goods and commodities priced on the world market all cost more.
    *** Default on the debt. This is a sign of a country that is in real trouble. Venezuela and Greece are current examples. When they default, nobody wants to lend them any more money, so they have to pay substantially higher interest on future debt, thus increasing the burden on their revenue. Or they must denominate their debt in the currency of some other country (Greece has no choice - it must denominate its debt in euros; some Venezuelan debt is denominated in dollars.) People lose faith in the value of their currency because they don’t pay their debts, so their money is devalued (if it is their own) or they have to go on very stringent austerity programs (see above) to have enough money to pay their debts.
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    Interest is a minor consideration You missed the point about GDP. National debt relative to GDP is what matters. If I earn £15k a year and owe £100k, I'm in more debt than somebody who earns £50k a year and owes £200k. Why? Because it will take me longer to repay my debt.

    So, how has GDP changed over the course of the last 50 years? Can USA afford the debt they are taking on?
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    Interest is a minor consideration
    *inflation

    I knew what I meant. Obviously A trillion in 1960 was worth a lot more than a trillion is today, but not nearly by enough to account for the massive increase in national debt. But surely GDP increase over the years significantly outpaces inflation.

    If I was earning £20k and had a £200k mortgage ten years ago, and now earn £100k and have a £500k mortgage, then I'm in less debt. Debt is not simply how much you owe... it's how much you owe relative to how much you earn.

    I am no economist. Nobody here is an economist, at least as far as I know. I have no idea if USA national debt today is more than it was in 1960, relative to GDP. I have no idea what other factors play a role. Maybe America can keep printing money because it's the premier petrocurrency. Maybe printing more money hurts nations who have massive US$ reserves more than it hurts America itself. I don't know.

    What I do know is that alarming graph is lacking a great deal of context.
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    I don't have an opinion on what size deficit is bad. I assume at some point it's going to be bad... but I do think the way it was run up by the US in the past couple of decades is probably dumb. The biggest hit on the deficit was the bank bailout that happened because necessary regulations weren't in place, but after the bailout there were no consequences for the people responsible and then came the Trump administration and rolled back the few regulations that were put in place under Obama after the mortgage crash.

    Trump ran the deficit up further with his trade war, and by cutting taxes while increasing government spending. All that seems like it's just wasted money. Paying off farmers after being responsible for letting their harvest rot is not equivalent to let's say expanding infrastructure.
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    Wow.

    The various arcs and rainbows are due to ice crystals in the atmosphere refracting the light from the sun (and moon in this pic). Different geometries of ice crystals cause different diffraction patterns, and the arcs are due to the variation in rotational orientation of similar crystal geometries.
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    Is that the moon above the sun? I would have expected it to be a new moon if it's the same direction as the sun at sunset. I suspect there's no moon in this image, just four suns caused by refraction.

    Great image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Is that the moon above the sun? I would have expected it to be a new moon if it's the same direction as the sun at sunset. I suspect there's no moon in this image, just four suns caused by refraction.

    Great image.
    No, the moon's not visible in the image. The caption under it on the original page said some of the rays were caused by moonlight, but didn't elaborate. So I wanted to include that it's not all sunlight causing all the neat arcs. I can rule out some of the arcs as not caused by the moon, but it's not too many of those.

    The 2 image suns to the left and right of the real sun are called "sun dogs." I've never seen them in person, but they are quite cool.

    I've never seen the 4-pronged crown that is vertical of the sun before. It's amazing.
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    No, the moon's not visible in the image.
    Good, my understanding of the moon phases is not in need of serious revision then.
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    I bought a measuring cup where the markers are 50ml off. How does that happen? You had one job.
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    Haha I don't know how you even noticed that. I would have been wondering why all my recipes tasted funny, probably forever.
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    I was measuring out fork oil - which incidentally is also why all my recipes taste funny, and that's a clear measure-twice type situation. But it also came with a lemon squeezer and I didn't have a lemon squeezer, so it's not all bad.
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    The fact that Devin Nunes's cow now has twice the followers of Devin Nunes is making me so happy: https://twitter.com/DevinCow/status/1108797644468453376
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    Oh, and if you make hummus, for the love of god, use dried chickpeas and not canned. I tried canned chickpeas today and it tasted like dog food. It's not even close.
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