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  1. #29176
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    This guy I mentioned once found out that a truck he was supposed to use that day had run out of gas, so he decided to siphon some out of another truck. He couldn't get a siphon going so he finally took a deep breath and gave the hose a really big suck, and ended up inhaling about a gallon of gas into his lungs. The boss found him lying on the ground gasping for breath, and took him to hospital, where he spent a few days. The best part was they made him quit smoking lol.

    Another time he swung a large pipe around without looking (we worked in an irrigation company so there was always pipe involved) and hit the boss in the head. Clang! lol

    Another time he drove 40 miles out to a farm with the parking brake on. When we got there he smelled the smoke and thought they were having a barbecue. Turned out, no, it was the truck's tires that were melting.

    Man just thinking about this guy is making me laugh. And just to make it better, his actual real name was Wally Woo.
    Happened to my uncle once trying to get diesel from one traktor to the other. Apparently it's not an uncommon thing to do for farmers when they're out on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I believed you all the way until you said his name.
    Wally in Canada does not mean anything bad, so yeah people name their kids Wally or Walter - for a Chinese parent it sounds English and is pretty easy for the parents to pronounce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Happened to my uncle once trying to get diesel from one traktor to the other. Apparently it's not an uncommon thing to do for farmers when they're out on the field.
    Walter Wuntz.
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    Got my first shot yesterday.

    April Fools!

    Nah except I actually did. I think it's funny af that it happened on April 1 though.
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    The April Fools was that it was actually a shot of estrogen.
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  6. #29181
    My niece was born on April 1st, I can't wait for her to turn 18 so I can tell her she has £1000+ I've been saving up for years, then give her a card with £20 in it.
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    I am downstairs, my dog is upstairs. I put my coat on to take him to the park, and he charges down the stairs, excited.

    Ok, obviously he can either hear it or smell it (or he's psychic). But I can't figure out which.

    Intuitively, hearing it makes more sense. But it's not exactly a "loud" coat. It's leather and has a zipper, but not a loud one. The sound of me putting my arms in the sleeves is louder than the sound the zipper makes. So unless his hearing is about 20x better than mine, he shouldn't hear it from all the way upstairs.

    Could he be smelling it? Definitely his nose is good enough. The question is if the coat molecules can get up the stairs in less than 30 sec. I'm just not sure they could.

    Anyone have any insights?
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  8. #29183
    Probably the noise. Their hearing is a great deal better than ours. Any noise that coat makes, whether it's the zip, you putting your arms in the coat, a combination, it's noise the dog will hear and associate with going for walkies.

    Smell might be a thing here too, but I would lean towards hearing.
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  9. #29184
    You could experiment with the dog. Try a different coat, one you very rarely wear, and when you put it on, shake your usual coat slowly so it releases molecules but doesn't make its usual "putting on" sound.
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    Some dogs have been reported (and apparently observed) getting excited when their owner leaves work. In some cases I've even seen the owner claim they leave work at different times. Simple noises like car doors closing are unique, and quite loud. The dog might be able to hear it, even miles away.

    These reports seem speculative, I can't find anything on youtube but I only did a quick search. But certainly they are very switched on when it comes to these kind of things.

    The sound of you opening a tin of dog food is enough to have them come running to the kitchen. Sound travels faster than smell, that's for sure. Leads that make metallic noises are definitely a trigger too.

    My Mom used to have a dog called Penny, she used to escape over the fence and roam the neighbourhood. Rather than go looking for her, we'd just put her dinner out and shout "dinner" from the front door. A few minutes later she'd be seen running back towards the house, tail wagging. Of course we'd then take the dinner away because we don't want to reward her absconding, dumb twat still returned every time we did this.
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    I'd lean toward hearing. Predators tend to have excellent hearing.

    Dogs smell much better than humans, but the "speed of smell" is a complicated matter of fluid dynamics, and I'm hard pressed to imagine a scenario where a smell could move faster than the sound associated with it. Sound is passed by molecules bouncing off each other and passing along that momentum to other particles. For smell to transfer, the molecule that smells has to move to a nose.

    Not to mention your coat presumably smells a lot the same as your other clothes.

    I don't know the exact specifics of your home or dog, but my initial hypothesis is the sound.
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    If a smell were to move faster than sound, it would cause a sonic boom. Is that what happens when I fart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If a smell were to move faster than sound, it would cause a sonic boom. Is that what happens when I fart?
    Haha, you should do an experiment.
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  14. #29189
    I intuitively lean towards hearing too. But I have a hard time believing he can hear me putting on my coat from the other end of the house.

    The sound of me putting my arms in my sleeves is louder than the sound of the zipper, fwiw. Though I guess the latter might hit some high frequency range only dogs could hear.
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  15. #29190
    Here's a floorplan of a house similar to mine. I'm in the kitchen and he's usually in Bedroom 2 when this happens.



    So, he's about 40 feet away, and around several corners.

    Also, might be germane that he doesn't come running the instant I put my coat on, but about 10 seconds later, as I'm walking over to get his treats, but before I touch the bag.
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  16. #29191
    I don't think there are going to be too many real world examples of smelling something before you can hear it. The particle you're smelling would have to break the sound barrier, not only that but its average speed would need to be >Mach1 from source to nose, so it would need to begin at an even more ridiculous speed to maintain this average.

    Seems absurd really. You're probably smell a nuke before you heard it, but the shockwave would rip you to pieces, so you wouldn't hear it anyway.
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    I intuitively lean towards hearing too. But I have a hard time believing he can hear me putting on my coat from the other end of the house.
    I don't have a hard time believing this at all. Dogs' hearing is exceptional.
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    Also, not an expert on fluid dynamics, but I assume that as soon as I pick up the coat, coat molecules start coming off it into the air. There's also presumably some background concentration of coat molecules that I assume he can smell all the time, so he'd have to be noticing the difference in concentration.

    There's also some possibility that I'm giving off a smell too that changes when I decide to get ready for the park.

    Dog's sense of hearing is about 4x that of humans, sense of smell is closer to 10,000x. I've read somewhere that a dog in the same house as you not only knows which room you're in from smell, but also knows what you're doing (what they mean by knows what you're doing is a bit vague).

    Dunno.
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    Also, not an expert on fluid dynamics, but I assume that as soon as I pick up the coat, coat molecules start coming off it into the air.
    I would have thought so, but these molecules will be mostly dirt rather than coat. A few coat molecules would probably be released, but I would imagine that the number of non-coat molecules would be a lot greater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't think there are going to be too many real world examples of smelling something before you can hear it. The particle you're smelling would have to break the sound barrier, not only that but its average speed would need to be >Mach1 from source to nose, so it would need to begin at an even more ridiculous speed to maintain this average.

    Seems absurd really. You're probably smell a nuke before you heard it, but the shockwave would rip you to pieces, so you wouldn't hear it anyway.
    Yeah I mean obv. the smell isn't going to beat the sound to his senses. I just find it hard to believe he can hear it at all. Also, if he does hear it, why not come running right away? Why wait 10sec? Maybe he's asleep or something I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I would have thought so, but these molecules will be mostly dirt rather than coat. A few coat molecules would probably be released, but I would imagine that the number of non-coat molecules would be a lot greater.
    Dunno. It's a leather coat, and if I wave it around I definitely get a whiff of leather. I assume that's coat molecules, not dirt.
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  22. #29197
    Dog's sense of hearing is about 4x that of humans
    This seems massively understated. I mean I'm no expert, but 4x better hearing isn't all that impressive. I'd expect it to be at least an order of magnitude higher than this figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This seems massively understated. I mean I'm no expert, but 4x better hearing isn't all that impressive. I'd expect it to be at least an order of magnitude higher than this figure.
    I should say it's 4x the distance, concentrated more at the higher frequencies than ours. So a rough equivalent would be a human hearing me putting on my coat from ~10 feet away and around one corner of the house. I suppose that's plausible...
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    I guess the other question is whether a coat molecule could travel 40 ft around corners in ~ 10 sec. Seems a bit much.
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    I mean... be an experimentalist and break it down.

    Take your coat out and shake it, then put it back in the closet. See if dog comes.

    If yes -> hypothesize this is the trigger for dog to come and try to disconfirm.

    If no -> add the next baby step in your preparation to go for a walk and repeat.
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    Just to exclude the obvious, you aren't putting on your shoes or picking up your keys or anything similar in this scenario? How punctual are your walks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I should say it's 4x the distance, concentrated more at the higher frequencies than ours. So a rough equivalent would be a human hearing me putting on my coat from ~10 feet away and around one corner of the house. I suppose that's plausible...
    Yeah I briefly read an article to see what the experts say and it's really not as simple as putting a number on it. There's more to hearing than simple sound. Like you say, frequency is important. Also volume, distance, other sensory distractions, breed of dog... there are a lot of factors. It's just in my experience, dogs have always had ridiculously good hearing, far superior to mine. They'll hear the postman open the gate, car doors closing, dog food tins being opened, things that I would never hear or at least recognise as distinct sounds. I mean, I'd probably hear a car door being slammed shut, but I wouldn't know the difference between my housemate and the neighbour doing it for example.

    I guess the other question is whether a coat molecule could travel 40 ft around corners in ~ 10 sec. Seems a bit much.
    Probably a single molecule could, but enough for the dog to pick up on? That's a ridiculously difficult thing to demonstrate.
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    Also if a dog can hear things at x4 the distance, based on the inverse square law that would be 16x better hearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Just to exclude the obvious, you aren't putting on your shoes or picking up your keys or anything similar in this scenario?
    Nope. I'm sitting at the kitchen table on the computer, finish whatever I'm doing, then grab my coat off the seat next to me and put it on. 10sec later he's running down the stairs.


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    How punctual are your walks?
    Not enough to set your watch to.
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  30. #29205
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah I briefly read an article to see what the experts say and it's really not as simple as putting a number on it. There's more to hearing than simple sound. Like you say, frequency is important. Also volume, distance, other sensory distractions, breed of dog... there are a lot of factors. It's just in my experience, dogs have always had ridiculously good hearing, far superior to mine. They'll hear the postman open the gate, car doors closing, dog food tins being opened, things that I would never hear or at least recognise as distinct sounds. I mean, I'd probably hear a car door being slammed shut, but I wouldn't know the difference between my housemate and the neighbour doing it for example.
    Yeah, it's not really enough to know they can hear things I can't. It's a question of how much and how far and all that shit.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Probably a single molecule could, but enough for the dog to pick up on? That's a ridiculously difficult thing to demonstrate.
    That would be so cool. Isn't their sensitivity in parts/billion or something ridiculous like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I mean... be an experimentalist and break it down.

    Take your coat out and shake it, then put it back in the closet. See if dog comes.

    If yes -> hypothesize this is the trigger for dog to come and try to disconfirm.

    If no -> add the next baby step in your preparation to go for a walk and repeat.

    Reasonable idea. But, what if he's not just smelling the coat, but smelling me moving around at the same time, or smelling some change in my blood pressure or some other ninja dog scent thing.

    How about I record the sound I make next time, then the next day play it back and see if he comes. That would work I think.
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    I just shook the coat and he came. It did make some sound though.



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  33. #29208
    Another cool thing about this is he only cares if it's the coat I wear to the park that I put on. If I put on my other coat, nothing.

    So either he can tell them apart by sound, or by smell.

    Dogs are awesome.
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    Dogs are definitely awesome.

    I'm still thinking sound, but shaking the coat and getting his attention is interesting. I would say it's a certainty that different coats have different sounds, in the same way different car doors do. But shaking the coat is, well, not the usual "walkies" sound. It's going to make a different sound to when you put it on normally. Having said that, it will still have a distinct pitch, a "that coat" sound. Just picking it up might be enough, what you do after is irrelevant.

    Recording the sound is definitely one potential experiment, but how certain are we that the recording is a true copy of the sound? We might not be able to tell the difference but the dog might, certain pitches might record better than others. The compression of the file might change the sound sufficiently for the dog to not recognise it.

    It could be smell. It just seems so unlikely compared to sound.

    Ok here's an experiment you can do. Point a fan at you so the wind is blowing in the opposite direction to where the dog is. The noise of the fan might be a problem, interfering with the sound, but what it will do is ensure that molecules released from the coat are going in the wrong direction for the dog to smell it.

    If the fan is too noisy, I guess we'll have to get technical. Close all the windows and turn the heat up in the house. This will increase pressure relative to the outside. Now sit by a window, open it, and quickly put the coat on. The pressure differential will cause the molecules to move towards the window, leaving just the sound, with no fan to interfere.

    I'm genuinely curious. I'll be really surprised if it's smell.
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    41 gun salute in Plymouth today to honour the Duke.
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    41 gun salute? Is that a thing? I've heard of a 21 gun salute (which is really a 7 gun salute 3 times), but I do not know the symbolic meaning of 21, so ... sure why not 41? But do all 41 guns fire at once, then? (41 is a prime number)
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