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  1. #20926
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Fully self-driving cars are already a thing.

    AFAIK, they've been a thing for years now. They're not available to the public yet, and I'm not sure why.
    They don't work is probably the main reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    They don't work is probably the main reason.
    They actually work quite well. Last I checked, google's cars have been in only a handful of minor collisions over the course of hundreds of thousands of miles driven, and all of them were the fault of a third party driver.

    It really does seem like the biggest hurdle is that of where liability falls. Things get weirder when you realize with the number of cars on the road, there are near infinite scenarios that play out on the roads, and an non-insignificant subset of these scenarios are situations where there needs to be a decision made where lives are ranked against each other. The simplest example would be a situation where a pedestrian suddenly is in the path of a self driving car and the only options involve death for the pedestrian or a telephone pole and death for the occupant. Things get more interesting the more omniscient the software is-- how many "normal" lives is a nobel laureate's life worth? Is a young life worth more than an older life-- how about a baby (very little societal sunk cost) vs a young adult (quite a bit of societal sunk cost that is just about to pay off)?

    I find this topic infinitely fascinating-- the train switch and the fat man type of hypothetical is great, but here we have similar thought experiments, yet they are almost assuredly going to play out in real life and need concrete answers-- and in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    They actually work quite well. Last I checked, google's cars have been in only a handful of minor collisions over the course of hundreds of thousands of miles driven, and all of them were the fault of a third party driver.

    It really does seem like the biggest hurdle is that of where liability falls. Things get weirder when you realize with the number of cars on the road, there are near infinite scenarios that play out on the roads, and an non-insignificant subset of these scenarios are situations where there needs to be a decision made where lives are ranked against each other. The simplest example would be a situation where a pedestrian suddenly is in the path of a self driving car and the only options involve death for the pedestrian or a telephone pole and death for the occupant. Things get more interesting the more omniscient the software is-- how many "normal" lives is a nobel laureate's life worth? Is a young life worth more than an older life-- how about a baby (very little societal sunk cost) vs a young adult (quite a bit of societal sunk cost that is just about to pay off)?

    I find this topic infinitely fascinating-- the train switch and the fat man type of hypothetical is great, but here we have similar thought experiments, yet they are almost assuredly going to play out in real life and need concrete answers-- and in a hurry.
    You've described what is the most interesting part of AI-based technology for me.
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    I didn't realize that Google's cars were so far along, that's sweet.

    A friend of mine thinks that self-driving cars will be blocked by lobbyists for a long time - mainly auto insurance companies, but also maybe taxis - because of the impact on their revenue and all the jobs it will eliminate.
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    I really don't think so. Tesla already has auto-pilot, so does the mercedes S-class. Volvo said they will take full responsibility for any crash caused by their auto-pilot system. Tesla not so much. Right now it works like auto-pilot in airplanes. It drives as long as it feels confident it knows what's going on, and if it's confused it will beep at you to take control back. That's the way it will be for a while. So we already have self-driving on highways, and self-parking has been a thing for a decade, so I don't see much of a problem.
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    I thought Google's cars were still being developed for less than idea conditions? All their tests have come out excellent when it's clear dry sunny days, not so much when it's raining or whatever.


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    joe rogan claims to have a friend who has a self-driver. it works on well-established roads only.
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    A great question to ask is, "what if you discovered that one of your central beliefs was wrong?"

    I always held one single complaint for how AI could never become like our I - computers are, at heart, serial. There's a heartbeat that triggers a cascade of flip-flops and then another heart beat. Certainly the experience of consciousness is more dynamic and continuous than can ever be achieved by a machine

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-0...ss-slices.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    A great question to ask is, "what if you discovered that one of your central beliefs was wrong?"
    Depends on the belief.

    I believe some things because I think they're true, and I believe other things because it helps me be happy.

    E.g. I believe in QM and GR because I think they're useful to understand the universe in which I live. If they were shown to be wrong, I would discard them and learn the new statements which are more right.

    Whereas if I learned that it was wrong to believe that people are generally good, I would not change my belief, because it's not about whether or not it's true, it's about giving people the benefit of the doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Depends on the belief.

    I believe some things because I think they're true
    How exciting would it be to discover they weren't? However that might be. It's not a question about how firmly you stand in the Real, but how you would react to it changing beneath your feet.

    I think it would be very exciting, personally.
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    You mean like confirmation of the Higgs field or the direct observation of gravity waves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Whereas if I learned that it was wrong to believe that people are generally good, I would not change my belief, because it's not about whether or not it's true, it's about giving people the benefit of the doubt.
    I don't get this, explain a bit more?

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    How exciting would it be to discover they weren't? However that might be. It's not a question about how firmly you stand in the Real, but how you would react to it changing beneath your feet.

    I think it would be very exciting, personally.
    I think I probably agree with you but I don't really have that many inherent beliefs which I think the vast majority of people do.
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    It isn't a thing you agree with. It's as simple as answering to

    What if you discovered that one of your central beliefs was wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    It isn't a thing you agree with. It's as simple as answering to

    What if you discovered that one of your central beliefs was wrong?
    "I think it would be very exciting, personally"

    A statement that I "probably agree" with.

    Does that clear that up?
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    Nope. It's not a question with a certain answer. You're allowed to answer it however you like, so you're allowed to whichever flights of imagination you wish.

    If you want to fly so far as "I'll settle with this here", then so be it.
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    Today my (intelligent) friend raised the topic of flat earth seriously.

    After watching something like 20 minutes of some 2 hr bullshit, I basically told her that if the world is flat the the only logical explanation for it is that God made it that way.

    I mean for fuck's sake.

    After that we watched Room 237, and I'm now convinced Stanley Kubric made the fake moon landing footage, and was hinting at it in the Shining. I can get on with that sort of nonsense a bit more than flat fucking earth. At least science doesn't outright say fuck you, it just sighs and rolls its eyes.
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    Many years ago, a man was told that on a specific day, at a specific time, in a specific city, if you looked down a well, you could see your shadow's reflection against the water deep below, for the Sun was directly overhead. On that same day, at that same time, in a different city, a stick would cast a shadow. A man measured the distance between the two cities, understood the difference of their position relative to the sun and judged almost correctly the circumference of the Earth.

    His name was Eratosthenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    I don't get this, explain a bit more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Many years ago, a man was told that on a specific day, at a specific time, in a specific city, if you looked down a well, you could see your shadow's reflection against the water deep below, for the Sun was directly overhead. On that same day, at that same time, in a different city, a stick would cast a shadow. A man measured the distance between the two cities, understood the difference of their position relative to the sun and judged almost correctly the circumference of the Earth.

    His name was Eratosthenes.
    In, like, 250 BC or something.

    Columbus. lol.

    Oh, by the way... everything's flat if you move past it fast enough. Even the Earth. Flat as a pancake.
    General Relativity and space contraction tells us as much.
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    Students previously expelled from universities for alleged sexual assault are beginning to win lawsuits against the universities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    In, like, 250 BC or something.

    Columbus. lol.

    Oh, by the way... everything's flat if you move past it fast enough. Even the Earth. Flat as a pancake.
    General Relativity and space contraction tells us as much.
    I like the big swinging pendulum experiment myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    I like the big swinging pendulum experiment myself
    The Foucault pendulum was ~2,000 years later than Eratosthenes, though.

    It's been done at the South Pole, though... so that's pretty interesting. They discovered that the Earth rotates about once every 24 hours. Well done.

    There was a Foucault pendulum at the St Louis Science Center when I was young. I didn't really get it at the time, but it was pretty boring. It's just a huge pendulum and you kind of had to walk away and come back to it to notice that it had changed its plane of oscillation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    The Foucault pendulum was ~2,000 years later than Eratosthenes, though.

    It's been done at the South Pole, though... so that's pretty interesting. They discovered that the Earth rotates about once every 24 hours. Well done.

    There was a Foucault pendulum at the St Louis Science Center when I was young. I didn't really get it at the time, but it was pretty boring. It's just a huge pendulum and you kind of had to walk away and come back to it to notice that it had changed its plane of oscillation.
    That's the beauty of this nonsense - to take these problems on the scale of a human life is to see them as worthless.

    But yet, they aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    That's the beauty of this nonsense - to take these problems on the scale of a human life is to see them as worthless.
    ???

    huh what?

    That's not what I was saying.

    Worthless?

    I feel like I should be offended or something, but I'm not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    @spoon

    Students previously expelled from universities for alleged sexual assault are beginning to win lawsuits against the universities.

    Idk if you saw that yet, but I thought you'd like to know
    Yeah it's great stuff for a beginning.
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    The explosive velocity of TNT is less than the escape velocity of the Earth.

    So.

    If you had an Earth-mass planet made of TNT, and you 'sploded it, you would still have an Earth-mass planet... just a much larger, less dense planet than you started with.

    Fun.
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    So it would be utterly stupid to attempt to build a rocket intended to go to the moon with TNT?

    Sounds like a fun thing to do, I want to try it.
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    Some bits will have escape velocity, and those bits will reduce the overall gravity of the TNT planet left, which will, in turn, reduce the escape velocity, which will allow for more bits to escape.

    If you exploded a planet of TNT, it would scatter to some extent but largely coalesce into a planet of ash, charcoal, coal.
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    Depends on how you're exploding it. If all at once, no way does it keep all its mass. If surface to the core, I'd bet it would. If core to the surface, I'm guessing it wouldn't.
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    Nope.
    At least, I strongly disagree, given my current beliefs.

    Explosive velocity of TNT is 6,900 m/s. Escape velocity of Earth-mass object is 11,186 m/s.

    Very little of the expanding gas would have enough favorable collisions to increase it's velocity to escape.

    EDIT: The question of all at once vs. inside out vs. outside in is interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Some bits will have escape velocity, and those bits will reduce the overall gravity of the TNT planet left, which will, in turn, reduce the escape velocity, which will allow for more bits to escape.

    If you exploded a planet of TNT, it would scatter to some extent but largely coalesce into a planet of ash, charcoal, coal.
    So... no diamonds?

    What's the point, then?

    *sigh*
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    If you exploded a planet of TNT, it would scatter to some extent but largely coalesce into a planet of ash, charcoal, coal.
    It's gonna depend on its mass. If it's a moon-mass planet of TNT, its escape velocity should be low enough that it will explode faster than it collapses back in on itself.

    Also, why would it settle into a planet of ash, charcoal and coal? It's a planet of TNT, which is carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. You're gonna have a lot of nitric acid, hydrocarbons, water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, carbon trioxide (does that even exist?), as well as coal, charcoal and diamond.

    /pedantry
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's gonna depend on its mass. If it's a moon-mass planet of TNT, its escape velocity should be low enough that it will explode faster than it collapses back in on itself.

    Also, why would it settle into a planet of ash, charcoal and coal? It's a planet of TNT, which is carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. You're gonna have a lot of nitric acid, hydrocarbons, water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, carbon trioxide (does that even exist?), as well as coal, charcoal and diamond.

    /pedantry
    Because ash, charcoal and coal is more poetic.
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    More poetic than dioxide, monoxide and trioxide?

    I got three rhymes, you only got two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's gonna depend on its mass. If it's a moon-mass planet of TNT, its escape velocity should be low enough that it will explode faster than it collapses back in on itself.

    Also, why would it settle into a planet of ash, charcoal and coal? It's a planet of TNT, which is carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. You're gonna have a lot of nitric acid, hydrocarbons, water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, carbon trioxide (does that even exist?), as well as coal, charcoal and diamond.

    /pedantry
    OK. I thought we all agreed that it would probably 'splode ong's noggin to hear about chemistry.

    Which one of you haters tried to splode ongie's noggin?
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    Smug twat. If you're gonna be a clever fucker, don't smirk about it.
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    Do you like tapes or CDs?

    CDs

    See deez nuts
    This was probably funny for a few weeks in 1991.
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    Smug twat. If you're gonna be a clever fucker, don't smirk about it.
    Wasn't even that good of an explanation, I know fuck all about either types of computer & I could have told you that.
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    Wasn't even that good of an explanation, I know fuck all about either types of computer & I could have told you that.
    Yeah I didn't feel particularly enlightened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Normally I find black dick distasteful
    Yeah me too. Sorry boost.

    Err I mean my definition of black dick is irrelevant to the discussion. You'd see that if you read my post.
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    This week in dumb history:

    A case of an executioner's willful malpractice[edit]

    On 1 October 1786 in the County of Tecklenburg, Heinrich Dolle was to be executed by being broken on the wheel, on account of the aggravated murder of a Jew. The court had decided that Dolle should be broken von oben herab: the first stroke of the wheel should crush his chest (traditionally thought to kill him instantly). The court instructed the executioner Essmeyer that Dolle should be clandestinely strangled (by garrotte) prior to the first stroke. The bystanders were shocked by what they thought was a severely botched execution by Essmeyer and his son, and thought Dolle had been alive during the entire proceeding, and also after Essmeyer had secured Dolle onto the wheel, and raised it on a pole. The town physician climbed up on a ladder (the Essmeyers had gone by then), and could ascertain that Dolle was, indeed alive; Dolle lingered on until he expired six hours later.
    The Essmeyers were brought to court for severe malpractice. It was established that the string around Dolle's neck had not been drawn tightly enough, and that Essmeyer had, contrary to his duties as an executioner, accepted the use of a wheel that was not heavy enough. That lacking weight meant that the chest had not been crushed. Furthermore, one arm and one leg of Dolle's had not broken according to proper penal procedure. And finally, the nail that customarily was hammered through the convict's brain in order to fasten him upon the wheel had been hammered in far too low.
    Many believed that Essmeyer's act of malpractice had been not so much a display of gross incompetence as it had been a deliberate act of cruelty because Dolle, just prior to his execution, had converted from Catholicism to that of the Reformed Church (the executioner Essmeyer was a devout Catholic). The court did not find sufficient evidence for deliberate malice on Essmeyer's part, but sentenced him to two years' hard labour and banning him from working ever again as an executioner. His young son was, on grounds of mercy, acquitted of any culpable wrongdoings.[13]
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    TIL: Opossums are rat-looking marsupials which live in N. America.


    Possums are chinchilla-looking marsupials which live in Australia.


    Of course, this is a scientific distinction.

    In America, most people say "possum" when they mean "opossum." So much so, that most listeners would likely think you were being odd if you insist on saying "opossum" when talking about them.

    In Australia, most people would be quite confused if you insisted on calling their possum (so named by James Cook after the opossum) an opossum.


    TL;DR
    Just call them all possums and you'll be fine in regular conversation.
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    Why the fuck am I being asked to log into www.woaw.org when I refresh this page?
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    It's mojo's post.

    Possums are chinchilla-looking marsupials which live in Australia.


    Of course, this is a scientific distinction.

    I'm assuming based on the raw text there's supposed to be an image between these two sentences, and that image is hosted on woaw.org (an animal welfare site, very unlikely to be malicious). I'm also assuming that to see the image, one needs to log in. Thus, it's asking those of us not automatically logged into the site (ie everyone except mojo) to log in before we can see that image.

    Please remove that image link mojo! I suggest rehosting it elsewhere, and editing the link.
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    Fixed, whatever you did mojo, thanks. That was annoying!
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    Works fine for me, fuck those who can't see it imo.
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    Works fine for me, fuck those who can't see it imo.
    He fixed it.

    I don't give a crap about not being able to see the image, it's the being prompted to log into an outside website. Alarm bells ring when that sort of thing happens.
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    Wait, it's not fixed.

    idk what the fuck is going on, but now I can't see that image again, and once again I'm being promted to log into that website.

    *edit - now fixed again

    *edit 2 - still fixed

    *edit 3 - I figured something out...

    When I post something, or edit a post, I can see the image and don't get the prompt. Everything is fine.

    When I simply refresh, then I'm prompted and it's weird.
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    I put a different pic up. Is it better?

    EDIT: are you using any script blocker? I use NoScript, which is free to use, but I'm sure there are other options. I've been using it for years, so there must be other products which do similar.
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    I just refreshed and no problem now, thanks. Although the pic has now gone huge. Not that that's a problem.

    I have no idea about scriptblocking. I'm a luddite, I don't even have anti-virus software (never have, and have never had a virus).
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    Noobs gone wild up in this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't even have anti-virus software (never have, and have never had a virus).


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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Noobs gone wild up in this thread
    Oh dear I'm unaware of these little forum quirks that are oh so natural to you.

    If only I knew what scripts were, then I'd be a better person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I just refreshed and no problem now, thanks. Although the pic has now gone huge. Not that that's a problem.

    I have no idea about scriptblocking. I'm a luddite, I don't even have anti-virus software (never have, and have never had a virus).
    Why would you know if you had a virus?
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    *that I know of
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    Fun topic but anti-virus software is essentially a scam at this point since they can't catch any of the cool new stuff and will never be able to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Fun topic but anti-virus software is essentially a scam at this point since they can't catch any of the cool new stuff and will never be able to.
    Elaborate? This sounds really interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Fun topic but anti-virus software is essentially a scam at this point since they can't catch any of the cool new stuff and will never be able to.
    You can get free programs that do everything you need.
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    Can I get a free programme to make me tea and spliffs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Fun topic but anti-virus software is essentially a scam at this point since they can't catch any of the cool new stuff and will never be able to.
    It helps computer illiterate people who fall for scams. If you don't download and install viruses, you probably don't need antivirus software. If you know how to set up and use system restore, you probably don't need antivirus software. But if you have a hard time explaining the difference between the internet and an operating system, you probably want some antivirus software.
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    I'm very much computer illiterate but I don't tend to fall for scams. The only time I've had anything on my computer I didn't want, it was because I did something dumb... downloaded a game from an unknown source, which changed my homepage and gave me a tool bar with facebook login widgets and whatnot. All the uninstall instructions were in Chinese, so I had to do a system restore. I did this easily by asking google.

    Anti-virus software doesn't stop people being dumb, in fact it might encourage sloppy browsing and download habits because people are fooled into thinking their computer is "protected".
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    Is anyone here successful?
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    Yes. Me. It is my ambition to do as little as possible with my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Is anyone here successful?
    I'm feeling pretty successful this year.

    I got my dream job and spend the rest of my time with an awesome gal watching youtube or playing video games.

    Although, to be fair, I felt successful at putting in solid effort to search for a good job even when I was unemployed for years and "solid effort" meant putting 3 - 5 applications out there in a day, then sulking. Man, I'm good at sulking, though.

    Frankly, I'm knocking it out of the park, even with this post. Look at how my grammar shines! Look at my amazing spelling! And I put words from my brain on the internet, which is immortality.

    Success!



    Look at all of my amazing success bananas!
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    In retrospect, that was probably a bad question to ask.
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    Yeah I think the question you were looking for is...

    "You all remember I'm successful, right?"
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    Hrm.

    I don't consider myself successful yet. I have a huge plan for myself, but I've only completed about 1/3 of what I'm setting out to do. Since I have not yet achieved all which I've sought, I don't consider myself successful.

    But if you snapshot my life right now, and compare it to that of my peers, they would probably consider me to be successful. Afterall, I went to school, got a job in the field and specialty I wanted (to an extent) and have a nice car and the beginnings of a marriage and family. But I didn't set out to achieve these things, I set out to achieve them as part of a much larger plan.

    ----

    Let's do this though. What are you trying to accomplish but have so far been unsuccessful at?

    Me, I've been trying to get better impulse control. I tend to overspend, tend to be agreeable without thought for its implications, and have a poor diet. The biggest reason I fail at this is because I'm only trying to change it in a half assed way. I've come to realize that most everything comes down to willpower, and I'm not applying mine to fix this side of myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah I think the question you were looking for is...

    "You all remember I'm successful, right?"
    Not at all, but JKDS nailed it. I don't think I'm very successful, and a big part of that is that I'm only a small way into a large overall plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Hrm.

    I don't consider myself successful yet. I have a huge plan for myself, but I've only completed about 1/3 of what I'm setting out to do. Since I have not yet achieved all which I've sought, I don't consider myself successful.

    But if you snapshot my life right now, and compare it to that of my peers, they would probably consider me to be successful. Afterall, I went to school, got a job in the field and specialty I wanted (to an extent) and have a nice car and the beginnings of a marriage and family. But I didn't set out to achieve these things, I set out to achieve them as part of a much larger plan.

    ----

    Let's do this though. What are you trying to accomplish but have so far been unsuccessful at?

    Me, I've been trying to get better impulse control. I tend to overspend, tend to be agreeable without thought for its implications, and have a poor diet. The biggest reason I fail at this is because I'm only trying to change it in a half assed way. I've come to realize that most everything comes down to willpower, and I'm not applying mine to fix this side of myself
    God I don't even know where to start. My physical health is the worst it's probably ever been in terms of being in shape, and that's largely due to neglecting it because of everything else that's been on my plate. May has been the month I've planned to be when I try switching to a keto diet (thanks wuf) and start on a regular exercise schedule instead of just eating whatever and exercising sporadically, if at all.

    I'm also struggling to keep up with the work schedule I'd like to maintain. Knowing I can just do nothing and still get the bills paid instead of working harder kind of sucks. I can keeping going for a few weeks or a couple of months at a time, and then I just crap out. This is probably related to the physical, which is honestly my biggest motivation to do something about it with diet and exercise.

    I frequently self-sabotage because I'm afraid of being so ridiculously good that it alienates me from people who are close to me. I've been working on recognizing this one a lot in the past few months especially, and it's helping a lot as well.

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