Ong, to be fair to you, it's a very standard misconception that this type of "privatization" is something that pro-capitalism people are in favor of. In fact, we despise it probably even more than you do.
07-01-2015 03:43 PM
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Ong, to be fair to you, it's a very standard misconception that this type of "privatization" is something that pro-capitalism people are in favor of. In fact, we despise it probably even more than you do. | |
07-01-2015 04:38 PM
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Way more. Imagine how Ong would feel if the vast majority of people thought that weed causes cancer, stroke, and syphilis. Yeah, that's what we have to put up with when people say the US healthcare system is private or that it was private before ACA. |
07-02-2015 07:04 PM
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Blueprint for Armageddon in his Hardcore History series. It's massive and exhausting just listening to what that war was. But, also incredible, in that Germany and Hitler learned a lesson from the Twitter of the time. How they would take the basic abstract truths of certain events and sensationalize them to paint the Germans as the obvious force for evil. Clearly something that's still alive and well today. The Germans were just not prepared for the rhetoric game in the first WW. But I have the sense that that'll become damned masters of it by the Second. | |
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07-02-2015 08:00 PM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/02/te...tag/index.html | |
07-02-2015 08:42 PM
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So who are you paying $240 to? Who provides you with medical care in the event you get sick? Is the doctor employed by the government whose priority is public health, or a private company subject to profit targets and such? | |
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07-02-2015 08:46 PM
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That whole gorilla story made me laugh. It just emphasise that our attitude is what's racist. A robot analyses a black couple and concludes that it is probably a pair of gorillas. The robot isn't racist, obviously. So it's not an issue, right? Wait, it's still a huge embarrassment that google has to apologise for. Who the hell gets offended by this? Who are they apologising to? I'd have respected google more if they programmed the robot to say sorry. | |
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07-02-2015 08:47 PM
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It's not privatization because the U.S. government has a heavy hand in practically every aspect of the healthcare supply chain, from insurance to medical practice. One thing I grudgingly give to the Europeans is that when you socialism you go full socialism, and there's a lot of evidence to suggest that as fucked as that is, it's better than the hybrid semi crony brand of socialism that the Americans are cooking up. | |
07-02-2015 08:52 PM
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$240 a month is a lot to pay for a public service. | |
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07-02-2015 08:53 PM
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Point being, someone somewhere is making a fuckton of money off the back off this. | |
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07-02-2015 09:00 PM
#18385
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Exactly. And that's not privatization. That's the government in bed with insurance companies. Guess what happens if I don't pay it? I get a tax penalty. | |
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07-02-2015 09:06 PM
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So it's the insurance companies that are making the money, right? You can at least understand why I consider this to be capitalism, rather than socialism, right? You have private companies making money here, at least that's what it looks like to me. | |
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07-02-2015 09:08 PM
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Buy shares in the insurance company that you're getting fucked by. That way you're fucking yourself every time you get a dividend. | |
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07-02-2015 09:19 PM
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07-02-2015 09:31 PM
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To use this language, it's governmentisation of a private service. |
07-03-2015 07:46 AM
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07-03-2015 08:01 AM
#18391
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It's not about being annoyed at you. It's about making sure you and others understand what a smart conservative or libertarian really means when he says he wants more privatization. The last thing he wants is this faux-privatization. | |
07-03-2015 09:54 AM
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07-03-2015 09:59 AM
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And some gorillas... | |
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07-03-2015 10:15 AM
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I've been thinking about polygamy in the Ape world. I know in their natural environment it's natural for a male to have several female mates, but once in a zoo, this isn't necessary. And whilst I'm not aware of any female ape complaining, that's probably because they don't know better. So I propose putting a stop to this shameful sexism and ensuring that from now on each male ape can only have one female. How do you think those female apes feel? Used and unappreciated I bet. If you support equal opportunity between the sexes then this draconian practice needs to stop. | |
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07-03-2015 12:57 PM
#18395
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Why not direct your annoyance at the poor use of confusing language by smart conservatives and libertarians? | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 07-03-2015 at 12:59 PM. | |
07-03-2015 01:13 PM
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07-03-2015 01:30 PM
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The healthcare system in the U.S. doesn't fit or even approach any common parlance definition of capitalism. I'm not hoarding some special libertarian-edition version of the word, the wikipedia or webster versions will serve. It all comes down to private property ownership. The degree to which people have control and ownership over their property is directly proportional to how capitalistic a system is. You can say all day long that something is privately-owned, but nothing is 100% owned because there are restrictions and obligations to all forms of ownership in a state. | |
Last edited by Renton; 07-03-2015 at 01:35 PM. | |
07-03-2015 02:27 PM
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07-03-2015 03:47 PM
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Let's not stop with female gorilla equality. How about those poor male emperor penguins currently huddling together in the brutal Antarctic winter in a desperate struggle for survival while the bitches are swimming around getting fat in warmer climes? | |
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07-03-2015 04:06 PM
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I said that to jimmy your rustles. I thought I had made that clear, but apparently not. It was never intended to be a point of debate, but more an example of how I can be controversial. I'm sorry that I made you believe I was making a definitive statement that capitalism is economics. That said, I wouldn't have said capitalism = economics if I didn't think the position is arguable. Let me explain. |
07-03-2015 04:16 PM
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Economics is the evaluation of production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services. Capitalism is a political policy theory for how to best do that when the goals are abundance and prosperity. |
07-03-2015 04:44 PM
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It should be noted that this is all a bad line for me to take. There's a whole lot of repetition in our economics discussions because different people pop in and out at different times and often the same questions or points are covered. Sometimes I'll say something a little outrageous because it keeps me fresh and engaged. |
07-04-2015 08:14 AM
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Suck dicks, foreign scum! | |
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07-04-2015 08:15 AM
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07-04-2015 08:32 AM
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Last edited by a500lbgorilla; 07-04-2015 at 08:35 AM. | |
07-05-2015 02:14 AM
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People do silly things. | |
07-05-2015 08:01 AM
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07-06-2015 05:11 PM
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there's something interesting to that in theory.. it makes me think about plants and their dimension of time, how it's on such a radically elongated scale in comparison to ours. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 07-06-2015 at 05:59 PM.
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07-06-2015 09:33 PM
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Today a sparrowhawk swooped into our garden and attacked a dove. The hawk was disturbed and flew off, leaving the dove minus a couple of wing feathers, some down fluff, and an eye. | |
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07-07-2015 07:54 AM
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07-07-2015 08:05 AM
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So this guy where my other bitch works was like, "You're breathtaking like a snow capped mountain." I just felt like sharing this because it's so hilariously and uncomfortably bad. | |
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07-07-2015 09:29 AM
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I agree. | |
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07-08-2015 08:10 AM
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I know there's no poker in the commune and all of that, but you guys have been complaining about the lack of new blood for a while. | |
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07-09-2015 02:29 AM
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Bill Nye cracking me up. | |
07-09-2015 08:10 AM
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Amy Schumer is alright-looking for a fat broad, and she's kind of funny sometimes. | |
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07-09-2015 07:01 PM
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NPR was on fire today. | |
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07-09-2015 07:02 PM
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So guys, where's all the happiness in the world? Just point me on, if you would. | |
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07-10-2015 02:08 AM
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Puppies. | |
07-10-2015 03:55 AM
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Rilla, Google deaf baby hearing for first time, will make you feel good. | |
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07-12-2015 03:12 AM
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So, transgenders. Is this just pc bs, or should I actually support them? | |
07-12-2015 08:11 AM
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07-12-2015 08:21 AM
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On the most basic level, wanting to mutilate your genitalia is likely to be highly correlated with mental illness. With that having been said, I completely support people having the right to do that if they are screened for mental disorders, etc., before the fact to protect people from themselves. They do it for women who want to have their tubes done (and a number of other surgeries), so I don't see how this is really any different regarding checking for mental health to protect the patient. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 07-12-2015 at 08:27 AM. | |
07-12-2015 08:21 AM
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07-12-2015 08:30 AM
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If I woke up with a vagina I wouldn't be unhappy about it until I was bored of playing with it, which would probably take months. | |
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07-12-2015 08:55 AM
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I've seen a lot of ladyboys in asia, but other than that I don't have much personal experience with TG people. It seems fairly harmless to accept them into society. I draw the line at having taxpayer dollars pay for their reassignment surgery, personally. There's nothing about gender identity that requires having matching genitalia and hormones, TG people are living proof of that. | |
07-12-2015 09:24 AM
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07-12-2015 02:02 PM
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I don't see how people can embrace transgender people as being a real thing while simultaneously rejecting the notion that gender roles are based in nature. (not aimed at anyone in particular, especially anyone from FTR) | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 07-12-2015 at 02:07 PM. | |
07-12-2015 02:31 PM
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I... think... I agree with this. | |
07-12-2015 03:43 PM
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Because they don't give a crap about the truth of the matter, so they'll reject the notion of a gendered brain. Or embrace some neural-fluidity in structure. | |
Last edited by a500lbgorilla; 07-12-2015 at 04:57 PM. | |
07-12-2015 11:36 PM
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So, i hope its clear that im super anti bullying and heavily into a "do what you want, but leave me alone" attitude. I asked this question because 1) this threadneeded a bumb, and 2) I'm unsure of whether the State should act. | |
07-13-2015 04:04 AM
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07-13-2015 07:05 AM
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07-13-2015 11:05 AM
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07-13-2015 12:00 PM
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I think in the interest of equality we need more derogatory names for transgenders. There's tons for bummers. I can only think of "tranny" for transgenders. Maybe I'm showing my blissful naivity here. Enlighten me, FTR. | |
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07-13-2015 12:22 PM
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I thought "tranny" was a transvestite. | |
07-13-2015 12:52 PM
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I guess it works for both. | |
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07-13-2015 01:23 PM
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It's not bullying just because you hurt someone's feelings. Because I'm sure he won't mind using him as an example as long as I reference weed, if I call OngBonga a welfare queen, that's not bullying. If I told OngBonga in person that I was going to beat the shit out of him if he didn't give me his weed, then that would be bullying. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 07-13-2015 at 01:28 PM. | |
07-13-2015 01:41 PM
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I believe in gendered brains, but I also think that the differences between women and men are significantly molded by cultural assumptions about gender. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 07-13-2015 at 03:12 PM.
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07-13-2015 02:30 PM
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other thought: I think there is definitely something to be said for the fact that, by and large, most people are comfortable with the sex they were born as, and with the gender expression society expects them to have. So even though I believe that a lot of the affectations and disposition of "male" or "female" or learned and not innate, I believe the propensity for one or the other is innate. The fact that a certain percentage of people do not align with what is expected of them or how they were raised is, I believe, further proof that there is something biological that drives us. | |
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07-13-2015 04:50 PM
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I agree completely, even without the weed reference. Merely insulting someone is not bullying them. There's obviously exceptions, like mocking a special kid, but generally, kids need to learn to ignore insults. When it comes to threats, it's no good just saying "toughen up" because let's be honest, if spoon does threaten to beat the shit out of me if I don't give him my weed, punching him in the face might not suffice in dealing with the matter. He probably works out. I don't. But I'm still not taking that shit lying down. I'll tell him to come and fucking get it, then kick him in the shin with my steel toecap boot really fucking hard while he's moving towards me and watching my hands, maybe even a cheeky uppercut if he falls towards me, then laugh as he tries to stand upright. I might even rummage around in his pockets to see if he has any money. Cheeky twat. | |
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07-13-2015 04:56 PM
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I hope this doesn't actually happen now, because I've given away my defence. Surprise plays a key role in the old kicky shinny trick. | |
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07-13-2015 05:27 PM
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The bold is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen you say. I don't know why it struck me as being so funny except that I do not work out very often (or at all at this point). | |
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07-13-2015 05:29 PM
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07-13-2015 05:44 PM
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07-13-2015 06:10 PM
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I don't take to the cultural influence ideas because, personally, I've never experienced it. Culture for me is commercialism. My parents were lassie-faire, so was my extended family, so were my teachers, friends, their parents, everyone. | |
Last edited by a500lbgorilla; 07-13-2015 at 06:14 PM. | |
07-13-2015 06:20 PM
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This response leads me to believe you have no idea what I mean by cultural/societal conditioning. You grew up around other people. You're not exempt. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 07-13-2015 at 06:23 PM. | |
07-13-2015 06:29 PM
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Yeah, it was. If you're talking about culture influencing me so subtly, then why not call it life experience? | |
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07-13-2015 06:29 PM
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Awww, a girl has an opinion. | |
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07-13-2015 06:48 PM
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From day 1 we take cues from the people around us on gender (as well as, well.. pretty much everything else). You are raised as a boy so you take cues from the men in your life, or that you see on TV, on the street, wherever. Their mannerisms, affectations, disposition etc mold you, inform your understanding of what it means to be male. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 07-13-2015 at 06:53 PM.
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07-13-2015 06:49 PM
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