Parting Thoughts

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[Xianti]

NOTE TO ALL:

Whatever you may think of Ripptyde or any of his final thoughts above, do not post any disparaging remarks here.

Let him leave peacably and respectfully.


Good luck to you, Marty.

[bigred]

I think it would be appropriate just to lock it as it stands.

GL in the future Ripp.

[Xianti]

You want this topic locked, Rippy? It's up to you.

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[vqc]

GL Ripp.

[BoondockSaint]

Peace homey - take good care of winney - ill miss the occassional picture.

[|~|ypermegachi]

good luck to you, rippy.

[spoonitnow]

gl

[Estrop]

Who even cares anymore.

[Phantaroth]

Good luck guy sorry everyone got angry at you, I don't think you shoud choose to/have to leave but whats done is done, good luck in whatever you end up doing from now on. Good luck and keep up the poker stuff even if ppl here think you suck, NEVER LOSE HOPE, insert dramatic music.

[star5328]

good luck man...keep in touch

[chardrian]

gl ripp

[Radashack]

Well not my first thought, but the people who come to troll a post saying no one cares is absolutely comical, and pathetic. Perhaps a new hobby is in order.

Now on to the true tragedy of this all. As rippy has stated above he was out of line in his flames, but the situation never had to reach this level by any means. With growth comes challenges, and its apparent that X, Ty, and E are working to grow FTR, but I feel this was a poorly administered event, which is why this result is as it is. Administration shouldn't be a reaction to a situation, it should be prevention, and this situation could have been prevented, as it’s been building for months.

FTR used to be a fantastic community, though sadly things have turned away from that. Now it seems like an infant 2+2, perhaps that’s unavoidable :shrug:

Ripptyde is a fantastic poker player. Read that carefully, poker player. When he is on his game, which is becoming more and more frequent, he dominates, his ability to play situational poker is astounding, and not many could hold a candle to him. Yet the caveat to tournament poker stands: If I get called I looked like the biggest doofus in the world, but when he folds I am a genius. I know for a fact that genius is the more common term referenced to Rippy. Tournament poker is an art form, Ripptyde is a fledging Michelangelo, and just making sure he is creating the right hues before he paints his Sistine chapel. He is constantly refining his game, and is becoming more and more consistent (which is apparent). He will create a masterpiece.

This community has suffered a loss; the extent of it won’t be realized for years.

[LeFou]

dude, you called me with 84o!?!? You're the WORST player I've ever SEEN!
Keep in touch, man

[Estrop]

FYP

[LeFou]

cold, estrop
but seriously, 'sup Rad (start a new thread and update us)

[Fleece]

FYP

checkmate

[mojoNOgo]

good luck to you sir .
i have found much wisdom in your postings and i thank you for the thought processes you sparked inside my muddled head .

[DoGGz]

good luck to you sir .
i have found much wisdom in your postings and i thank you for the thought processes you sparked inside my muddled head .

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all in!

[Bailey]

Gl Rippy

[Vinterriket]

Well Rippy, as controversial as your MTT strategy guide is, it changed my perspective. Up until I read this guide I was just another rock in a rock garden and your situational wisdom and image/positional play suddenly made this game alot more complex to me. Knowing this complexity is the first step towards learning it and mastering it.

Shame things panned out this way but GL to you, congrats on your good year so far, and thanks again for opening my eyes in a murkier area of the game.

[Eric]

Rippy,

I enjoyed reading your thoughts on poker the last few years. There are many good memories including that first FTR Vegas trip. Your strategy is refreshing because it makes people think independently and not over-value the advice in typical books on poker.

The last week has been difficult for all of us, hopefully you will find peace in your future.

Best of luck,
Eric

[Estrop]

After reading most of rippys post, I think we have outlined the problem. IRC has taking everything to a whole new level. It's full of assholes and assholes who lie and lie. After a while all the lies become true to the people in IRC, because thats all they see. I'd like to say it's a great that FTR is distancing itself from IRC, because not only has it lost a great member but it's giving FTR a bad name and allowing bad people to create a bad reality.

I will never be in IRC again and because of it, I'm qutting poker and FTR. And on that note, let me be the first to say...

[dj newman]

I have been dismayed of late with all of the drama on FTR. This is yet another sad turn of events. I appreciated your MTT guide Rippy and I wish you well....although I doubt you need it. I know more than a few of us have gained a whole new insight from your posts into the nuances of poker.

As for those of us who remain, flaming does little for anyone. Gossip kills. If you are going to be pissed off when someone doesn't pay you back in a timely fashion...you probably shouldn't lend the money in the first place. If a situation doesn't involve you...just stay out of it. Different philosphies and playing styles make a well rounded player and we need more people thinking outside the box not less. I think everyone is an adult here...noone needs to get anyone else's back...and after all of this....can we all just play some poker?

[donkbee]

Good-bye.

[Fleece]

After reading most of rippys post, I think we have outlined the problem. IRC has taking everything to a whole new level. It's full of assholes and assholes who lie and lie. After a while all the lies become true to the people in IRC, because thats all they see. I'd like to say it's a great that FTR is distancing itself from IRC, because not only has it lost a great member but it's giving FTR a bad name and allowing bad people to create a bad reality.

I will never be in IRC again and because of it, I'm qutting poker and FTR. And on that note, let me be the first to say...

LMAO

[Bailey]

im drunk
i love ripyy
rrippy plays 74 lol!1 dthtas funntgty lol1

[DogOnMySide]

This whole debacle reminds me of an ancient proverb... it might have been plato or aristotole who said:

"Fighting on ye internet is like running in ye special olympiad - even if ye win, ye all look like fucking immature twats who art unable to settlest an argument through intelligent conversation and must resort to playground squabbles"

Ah well. GL Ripptyde

[Humphrind]

GL Ripp. I would love to say something profound and meaningful, but I think Rada has said it all.

[Pelion]

Goodluck Rippy. I gotta say that MTT guide certainly gave me a new perspective even if I cant see myself following alot of it. Hope you carry on winning and I hope you can come back one day when everyones had a chance to calm down.

[gabe]

rippy, peace

[jmrogers7]

I've read all of the threads and followed this drama as it unfolded. I haven't written a word about it until now for one simple reason.

It amazes me how seriously everyone here has taken this whole thing. You are all aware that all this is at the end of the day is just some internet community on some internet website somewhere out in cyberspace. No one here is curing cancer. Yet everyone reacts to things around here like failure to follow a certain train of thought will result in the end of the world as we know it.

I think this is a great opportunity for everyone here to take a step back and stop taking yourselves so seriously. This little soap opera has been a great microcosm of life. Everyone has their own views on things. Some of which you may agree with and some of which you may not. People get defensive and overreact when attacked. Whether they deserve being attacked or not. Failure to confront someone in a mature, intelligent manner who you feel is straying off the path results in things getting blown out of proportion.

It never had to get this way. The fact that something that in the end is so insignificant to everyone's life has managed to amass such drama is pretty sad.

FTR used to be my little escape to some little internet community on some website somewhere out in cyberspace where I could read up on some insignificant game that I just happened to like and talk to other like-minded people. I wasn't looking to cure cancer. Just have a little fun.

It isn't that way anymore and it's very sad.

[Sprayed]

Gl Rippy.

[journey075]

toodles.

[Gareth]

If you look at the top players in this game, they are not clones of each other they all have their own Styles and Philosophies on how they like to play the game.

I feel that listening/reading other players views on how they play can only help your game - not by copying the exact way they play but from taking parts of their game into your play.

I feel this is a loss to FTR and I think this is more than likely going to happen again.

Would just like to wish you Ripptyde the best of luck in the future, I for one think you have what it takes to be succesful in this game.

[EasyT]

Hats off, Rippy.

Good Cards,
EasyT

[Iwind]

Best wishes and good luck, Ripptyde

[a500lbgorilla]

[NewJack33]

peace rippy

[midas06]

gl sir

[drmcboy]

may your cards be live* and your pots be monsters.

* (we know 74o is)

[Rondavu]

I wish I knew how to quit you...



Seriously though, do you think I would be hitting final tables every week without you? I think not.

Good luck in the future, Rippy.

You inspired and taught me to play top quality NLHE, and for that I will always have utmost respect for you.

[Lipkin]

Rippy was the first reason I kept reading FTR 2 years ago

[Fnord]

I stopped posting on FTR regularly a few months ago in case anybody noticed, and there was a very good reason for it. Because virtually each and every time I posted or shared a hand history I was taunted and ridiculed and basically driven off my own thread. Any contribution I made to these forums was essentially targeted, and subsequently flogged with mindless taunting and irrelevant critique.

...or perhaps the fact Rippy wanted little more than a monologue had something to do with it. Hand posts almost always consisted of a really weak hand played aggressively getting the best of a poor/weak/tilted player and other assorted chest pounding. Rarely was any context or reads given. As a matter of course, you dismissed reads putting most non-name players in the same bucket and categorically disrespected your opponents.


It would have been a real joy having a two way conversion about what prompts you pick the spots you do. When re-steals works, double/triple barrel bluffs, etc. How often people will go an inch, foot or yard, but won't go a mile and how to pick up on it. You certainly have a wealth to offer in those areas and consistently fell short. In return we could have offered tremendous insight into a more technically sound approach to the game that could have saved you from a lot of spots where you spew money getting the way worst of it. But that never happened because Rippy was too good of a 25NL 6 max and 300NL short-stack hit'n'run player to go there.

[andy-akb]

In his MTT Strat discussion thread I brought up the controversy it caused at 2+2, not to ridicule him or cast doubt on his strategy, but simply to promote discussion on what works in MTT. I hope my post wasnt taken any other way.

[Warpe]

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[BeatMeBad]

You don't know me Rippy but I've read your guide, and a lot of your posts over the past year or so. Even if I didn't agree with 100% of what was posted, I knew that what I read would help me even if it just helped me understand another school of thought. For that, I am eternally grateful.

I'd also like to take a second to point something out, and I saw this a LOT in the posts/replies in this whole drama. This "community" is very polarized. There are cliques and crews with amazing amounts of arrogance. And, if you aren't part of them, then you are summarily dismissed or ignored. This is very sad because this forum, even taking this into account, is truly something special.

Finally, to Fnord's point of Rippy not wanting "to discuss" his hands, rather he wanted to use FTR as a place to beat his chest about big hands he won: I notice in a lot of replies to Rippy's posts that people were feigning discussion as a method to beat their own chests. Very rarely did a post come across as genuine interest in his thought process(es). This may be due to long standing animosity or past run ins but the fact remains that it was there.

I can't blame Rippy for the way he reacted based on some things I saw. It's really sad that adults can't disagree without it degenerating into what it did.

[siknd]

youve claimed all this time, that, you would die for me. why then are you so su-prised, when you hear...your own eulogy...

love ya ripp

[elanto]

GL Rippy

[Cyndy_Lou]

I am going to miss you rippy but I know how to find you so it won't be long until we speak again.

Reading this thread I am utterly amazed at how 2 faced some people on the forums can be. I will not name names or call anyone out for you all know who you are but I have personally seen some of these people saying things like "I have the utmost respect for you" only to be part of the problem that has caused rippy to be leaving. It's sad that people who say they are your friends are the first ones to stab you in the back the minute it's turned.

Truely sorry to see you have to go rippy.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Reading this thread I am utterly amazed at how 2 faced some people on the forums can be. I will not name names or call anyone out for you all know who you are but I have personally seen some of these people saying things like "I have the utmost respect for you" only to be part of the problem that has caused rippy to be leaving. It's sad that people who say they are your friends are the first ones to stab you in the back the minute it's turned.|

No offense Cyndy, but I think the purpose of the thread is more of a way of Ripp saying goodbye and having people respond to him. Wether or not people agree with on everything doesn't mean they don't have some fond memories of him too. Instead of focusing on the negative, let us say goodbye and perhaps salvage a smile in the midst of a negative situation.

[ilikeaces86]

Rippy,

You and I have always got along very well. I hope that you succeed in whatever you set your mind to in life.

[bigred]

Reading this thread I am utterly amazed at how 2 faced some people on the forums can be. I will not name names or call anyone out for you all know who you are but I have personally seen some of these people saying things like "I have the utmost respect for you" only to be part of the problem that has caused rippy to be leaving. It's sad that people who say they are your friends are the first ones to stab you in the back the minute it's turned.|

No offense Cyndy, but I think the purpose of the thread is more of a way of Ripp saying goodbye and having people respond to him. Wether or not people agree with on everything doesn't mean they don't have some fond memories of him too. Instead of focusing on the negative, let us say goodbye and perhaps salvage a smile in the midst of a negative situation.

Definately, no more drama for awhile.

[swiggidy]

Well, I'm fairly new here, and don't know rippy at all, shit I don't really know anyone. I do know that his MTT guide is one of the first things I read here and the fact that it was so different was part of the reason I kept coming back I did loose some money trying to follow the guide, but I just chalked it up to not being a good enough poker player. I would have loved to see more in-depth explanations for how he picks his spots, but I guess that will never happen...

Anyways, GL dude.

For those who are left, read my sig. It was said by another smart poster, and if followed will make your real life easier, as well as make this community more pleasant.

[jdubs]

Ripp,

Best of luck man-. I appreciate your guide, really turned me onto a new way of approaching things. I hope we can play together sometime, maybe at that venue you mentioned in Sac. Thanks for your help again, and keep in touch!

[Muxy]

No one can build a first hour stack like you.

See you at the tables,

Muxy

[PO$$E$$ED]

I hear people call Gus Hansen a fish all the time
he plays all sorts of rags from all positions
frequently gets his money in when he's behind
and yet he has won more touneys than I can count

there is definitely a place for hyper-aggressive play in tourneys
like you said it's all about accumulating chips

best of luck to you in your future endeavors
just keep in mind that self-aggrandizement isn't going to get you anywhere
keep your ego in check you know what I'm saying

[hydroseeds]

Sad to see you go Ripp.

Give a pet to Winnie for me.

PS. You still owe me $6 :P Take it easy though.

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[hydroseeds]

It's no biggie man, buy Winnie a bone instead

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[Xianti]

Read:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=30564


Let's keep this thread on topic, people.

[Pelion]

absolutely pointless to trade insults with a pubescent cockroach like Estrop.

children like him are destroying FTR Im sorry to say

Just ignore it Rippy. This is what happened in the last thread.

[bigboy5540]

rippy take care man. you don't know me but after years of playing poker and reading your guides and ideas, i can truely say you are a genious poker mind. I can attribute part of my success (now making about a grand a week at 200 nl and sngs) to you. A few tweaks here and there and you are on your way to becoming one of the best poker players in the world in my humble opinion. It takes a true understanding of the game to come up with the concepts that you have come up with. Many of them at first glance seem flat out wrong but after evaluation and more experiance in poker, I have to say again that many of your ideas are genious. Don't let the haters deter you. You know that your strategies work.
Anyway man, I know you will have success in the future and one day you will hit the big one. I wish you could stay because your ideas are so rare and should be taken for what they are... a different approach to playing the game. The only things that would make you better is better br management and listening more to what others have to say. Anyway I know i will see you soon at the top of the poker world.

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[Miffed22001]

Ok,
i havent read FTR for a week and now i have found this?
I am literally stunned

Ripptyde. Since the moment i arrived on this site that damn avatar of yours always attracted me to your posts and along with Fnord i have found your posts to be the most rewarding on the site by far when they have been on topic. Recent problems it would seem have been blown out of all proportion but they have, i would say been coming for a while and the fact we have lost you is a sorry remark on the whole show.
Despite this Flopturnriver.com may now be a memeber short but in terms of poker nuance brought to the game it will forever be infinitly less.
God speed, and i hope never to see you at the table, as i would most likey get my sorry English arse kicked!

Good luck and God bless Sir.

[supermoneyz1]

Being one of the members of the 2+2 forums who replied to “Ripptyde” thread I would like to add a few words.

Some of the greatest poker minds post on 2+2. Yet, many of your theories Ripptyde revolve around short term statistics and many of your comments are generalizations (thread has numerous examples). I am sure the unique style you've adopted allows you to be a winning player, (you're statistics seem to prove that). Yet, the statistics will not impress many of those players who bring in 100k+ a year.

Many people on 2p2 are harsh critics who will tear things apart word for word.
Yet, on 2p2 no one is perfect. Many of those people that responded to your guide negatively not only give criticisms but take their share as well. Strassa and Ansky are constantly getting torn apart for statements and hands that they post. Just realize everything written on 2p2 forums is tough love.

As for the drama that unfolded here. meh.... 2p2 has the same thing going on with Gigabet. Defending you’re ego on an internet forum is completely pointless; what do you have to prove to anyone?

My parting words will be good luck Ripptyde, I am sure you will do fine. Honestly, you might want to re-read the 2p2 thread and fix some statements in your guide, people only pointed out the bad. Definitely had some good points in there, and with some work I think the guide has potential.

…and I hope that no one here thinks any less of 2p2 after this whole ordeal.

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[supermoneyz1]

when I hear a term like 'greatest poker minds' it makes me wanna puke.

Well what do you want to measure "great" by? Since you like measuring a player’s ability by results, check some of the results threads or use pokerdb. BTW, a better term would be 'greatest online poker minds'.

Not that there arent a lot of solid, talented players on 2+2...there mosr certainly are....but most of the egos there are simply enourmous.

hmm.. interesting. Once you get to know these people personally, there great. The criticisms can easily come of as snobbish and harsh.

I havent been following what is going on with Darrell...but the guy just won a WSOP circuit event for Christs sake.

'Gigabet' is one of the top players online and most certainly has the stats to prove it...just shy of a million in LIVE earnings not even including his online success on God knows how many sites.

And these 'great poker minds' are the very same who are trashing him ? LoL The guy could outplay 90% of them so who the hell are they to pass judgement on him

err... dumb drama on 2p2. Rumors were that "he went busto". I am not following this issue to closely.

I scoff at the idea of 'great poker minds' and pay them little respect if they are openly preaching their greatness and berating someone like myself for the sake of trashing a 'noob'. I didn't see much valid critique or specific examples of 'flaws' in my guide when I posted it there. What I saw was a handful of ego maniacs who felt threatened by an approach to MTT's that is not the norm.

Disagree here. The critique was valid yet harsh (spec. examples ansky). Some people replied with post like: "This guide is poison", obviously there is no valid critique in those type of one liner statements. I clearly understand why you're frustrated. Yet, the thread quickly escalated into a verbal bashing because people deemed your attitude as egotistical.

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[supermoneyz1]

understandable...give 2p2 another chance. There are some great players on there. Were not all assholes!