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    Default OMG(Candle Incident) UPDATE, I appeal and....

    I will paraphrase

    Dear Daniel,
    You indicated a friend who was visiting gave you a candle as a present. You placed the candle on your desk, where the RA discovered it. Based on your admission, I am finding you responsible for violating the student code of conduct by possesing a candle.

    blah blah

    I have imposed the following sanctions:
    (1) a censure (Almost like a probation)
    (2) 20 hours of community service

    You have until March 6th.

    Sincerly,
    Some Bitch

    ARE YOU SERIOUS. BTW I am appealing this.

    UPDATE: So I went into to appeal my 20 hours of community service for the candle... The director wouldn't budge. I politely debated with her for an hour about it, which I guess wasn't working. I got angry towards the end because of how ridiculous this was, but her main defense was illogical. LOL she said back to me a lot "How am I going to punish people for having candles in their room if I don't give them community service?"
    WHAT!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS?
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    She also made another point that someone lit a candle one year and burned her room down. I promptly told her my candle had never been lit. She said well there's a temptation to light it, I said I didn't have the intention to it was just a gift, one I wasn't going to melt. She says it's not about intention. Conversation goes on about I was told before I left for winter break to make sure my room passed all the regulations. well then I go so this is because I didn't hide the candle or take it home? She goes no, it's not about that. So I go then what did I do wrong? Well, you had a candle in your room. I say every other university has no rules about having un-lit candles in your room, only burned ones. She goes well we're not every other university. So I go fine, but I was hoping you'd at least lessen my penalty. She uses the defense I first mentioned, I argue, and she goes 'well it's not that bad, you can put it on your resume.' I realize she's not gonna budge, I say fine and thank you for doing all you could (in a non sarcastic voice) and leave. I immediately call up all my friends again.
    Is there anything else I should do? My mom is Jewish, should I have her try and call in (I'm jewish)? My Dad's a Lawyer and also Jewish, maybe him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy
    what kind of nazi school do you go to? oh, wait...
    I'm jewish, maybe I should pull the your discriminating card? LOLZ. I go to American U in D.C.
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    That's absurd! A candle??

    I almost got kicked out of hotel for having a hot plate/cookware in my room in Switzerland ( on a tour, was living in the hotel for 2 months)
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    what the fuck kind of RA do you have? never had/heard of one that actually went by the "rules"
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    It was actually the RD when she checked the rooms over winter break. Ironically, not finding the beer cans constantly all over the floor during the semester.
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    haha...well that sucks and is bullshit...but that's just college sometimes...
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    LOL, what retard doesn't hide all things against dorm room code. Alcohol, anything involving hotplates or fire, and drugs all fit into this category. Your appeal isn't going to do anything, you just messed up.
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    Are you saying that you never burned the candle at all?

    If so, then you should go hard after an appeal. Take pictures of the unlit candle; get statements - from the friend acknowledging that s/he gave you the candle and you didn't burn it; from the RD admitting it was unlit; from anyone who saw it around the same time as the RD.

    Present a coherent case that a candle is different from other contraband like drugs in that its not inherently illegal.
    Are you allowed to smoke in your room? If not, then they wouldn't cite people just for posessing cigarettes, would they??

    If it was burned, well...
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    It wasn't burned, but that is still against the code of conduct. And bigred, I'm not an idiot, If I realized it was against the code of conduct I would have hid it.
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    That was a little harsh on my part, sorry. I had been drinking for most of the night. Ignorance isn't an excuse from the law though. Didn't they have a hall meeting at the beginning of year and hand out stuff? I'm sure they'll tell you they did and it was in there and that you should have read it. I still don't think an appeal will work unless you have a very loose, liberal RD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    That was a little harsh on my part, sorry. I had been drinking for most of the night. Ignorance isn't an excuse from the law though. Didn't they have a hall meeting at the beginning of year and hand out stuff? I'm sure they'll tell you they did and it was in there and that you should have read it. I still don't think an appeal will work unless you have a very loose, liberal RD.
    No they didn't, they say some things but expect u to read the code of conduct. Anyways, the reason I am appealing is because this matter was dealt with from someone low in the judicial affairs committee because it wasn't a serious offense. During our meeting she said if I admitted I had the candle then she would have to give me some sort of punishment, and the minimum she can give of community service is 20 hours. So pretty much my appeal is to try to have it so I have no community service by appealing to the director of judicial affairs.
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    that is hilarious.
    Tell him you use it as an arse dildo. see what he thinks of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce
    that is hilarious.
    Tell him you use it as an arse dildo. see what he thinks of that.
    lol funny but the usage makes no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce
    that is hilarious.
    Tell him you use it as an arse dildo. see what he thinks of that.
    lol funny but the usage makes no difference.
    Sure it does...if it had been up your arse you probably wouldn't have left it lying around...probably would have been in your sock draw...or something...

    Fight this...20 hours of community service is less than OJ got
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    Your dorm code of conduct says you can't have candles? Is masturbating on your RA's door against he code as well?
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    thats completely retarded. My sister is a freshman and she got caught with a candle in her room also, but she only got a written warning.

    i think the unlit candle/pack of ciggarettes argument is interesting.
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    Default Re: OMG

    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    I will paraphrase

    Dear Daniel,
    You indicated a friend who was visiting gave you a candle as a present. You placed the candle on your desk, where the RA discovered it. Based on your admission, I am finding you responsible for violating the student code of conduct by possesing a candle.

    blah blah

    I have imposed the following sanctions:
    (1) a censure (Almost like a probation)
    (2) 20 hours of community service

    You have until March 6th.

    Cheers,
    Some Bitch

    ARE YOU SERIOUS. BTW I am appealing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bode-ist
    My sister is a freshman and she got caught with a candle in her room also, but she only got a written warning.
    Similar here. I have a friend that lived in a college dorm that got caught with both candles and a portable stove (both against the code of conduct). These items were confiscated, but she didn't get into any trouble. She just got a verbal warning from the RA.
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    get a copy of the rules.
    check if it says possesion of a candle or actually burning.

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    Yea I've never heard of a school doing anything to punish people for this other than confiscating the item. A friend of mine got caught with a microwave in his room and they just took it. His RA was a dick though. All the other RA's thought it was dumb as hell that we weren't supposed to have microwaves so they just let it slide even though everyone had one. I can't even imagine how pathetic a person would have to be to give out 20 hours of community service for having a candle on your desk.
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    its totally ludicrous for it to be against the rules to possess a candle...perhaps you need the wax for a science or an art project and intend to burn it outside. its not likely a candle is dangerous in any way; if someone makes an effort to burn it then it will burn, just like any other flammable object. The cigarette argument states my thoughts pretty well.
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    I lived in like a dorm suite my freshman year. It had 2 double rooms, a single room, and then a living room. But other than that it was standard dorm room life (no hot plates, etc.).

    For April Fool's day, we decided to crumple up a semester's worth of L.A. Times and fill our roomate who had the single room with them. We all started crumpling the papers in the living room and had crumpled enough that our living room was full of newspaper up to about chest level. As we were in the process of jimmying his door open, he came back from some party totally hammered. He started lighting the newspapers on fire to "get back" at us. After he did this about 5 times we all got fed up of having to put the papers out and have him then relight another one and basically we all just left the dorm and told him that he caught us and now we wouldn't fill his room up with the papers and we'd figure out how to deal with the mess later.

    We all then head down to the hot girls' suite about 3 doors down to smoke a bowl and make fun of our drunk roomate.

    2 minutes later he comes running down the hall with a mug full of water blubbering that he needed help.

    We look down to our suite and see that our window is glowing red and orange. The dumbfuck had lit the papers after we all bailed and was trying to get them out with a mugful of water from the bathroom.

    We got the fire out with a watercooler and lots of stomping.

    End result, ruined carpet, burnt sofa, and water damage to the suite below us.

    They tried to kick my dumbass roomate out, but our rules only had crap about no candles or incense. So he just had to pay for the damage.
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    lol @ american college. As long as our rooms didnt have visible rats we were pretty much in the clear.
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    I had grass growing in my first college room.

    LOL at American colleges being able to dole out community service.

    What else can they do to you?
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    Wow. I was an RA. As long as I got free booze, my mouth was sealed. Just appeal to the highest source, stay calm never lose your temper and speak with a conviction of somone who has nothing to fear. RAs and their bosses cave if you apply enough confidance. I should know since they tried to evict me a week before finals.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    I lived in like a dorm suite my freshman year. It had 2 double rooms, a single room, and then a living room. But other than that it was standard dorm room life (no hot plates, etc.).

    For April Fool's day, we decided to crumple up a semester's worth of L.A. Times and fill our roomate who had the single room with them. We all started crumpling the papers in the living room and had crumpled enough that our living room was full of newspaper up to about chest level. As we were in the process of jimmying his door open, he came back from some party totally hammered. He started lighting the newspapers on fire to "get back" at us. After he did this about 5 times we all got fed up of having to put the papers out and have him then relight another one and basically we all just left the dorm and told him that he caught us and now we wouldn't fill his room up with the papers and we'd figure out how to deal with the mess later.

    We all then head down to the hot girls' suite about 3 doors down to smoke a bowl and make fun of our drunk roomate.

    2 minutes later he comes running down the hall with a mug full of water blubbering that he needed help.

    We look down to our suite and see that our window is glowing red and orange. The dumbfuck had lit the papers after we all bailed and was trying to get them out with a mugful of water from the bathroom.

    We got the fire out with a watercooler and lots of stomping.

    End result, ruined carpet, burnt sofa, and water damage to the suite below us.

    They tried to kick my dumbass roomate out, but our rules only had crap about no candles or incense. So he just had to pay for the damage.
    now THAT is an awesome college story. LOL


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    When I was a freshman I came home drunk one night and being a drunk idiot I went to the dorm of a girl I was interested in. Despite it being almost 3 am she wasn't there and I was kinda pissed. In the wall outside her suite was one of those cabinet things where they keep a curled up fire hose. For whatever reason it was partially open and as I stumbled past it I caught the corner of it with my shoulder. It hurt like hell so my obvious response was to punch it. It was made of that reinforced glass with the little wires running through it and I ended up severing a vein and ligament in my wrist. I was bleeding all over myself and the floor and wasn't sure what to do next. I was pretty confident that being underaged with alcohol in the dorm was against the rules so I decided to ditch my backpack full of Busch Lite and cheap vodka by stuffing it down the garbage chute. Oblivious to all the blood I was smearing on the walls and dripping on the floor, I then got on the elevator (she lived on the 9th floor). About halfway down the elevator stopped and two guys started to get on then stopped, we looked at each other then they took a step back letting the door close and sending me on my way. I then walked out the sidedoor to avoid the RA at the 24 hr desk and went back to my dorm room. About 15 minutes later the campus police showed up at my room with their guns drawn (some dumbass had reported it as stabbing) to find me sitting on the futon with a pair of pants tied around my arm watching Elimidate. Apparently I was bleeding enough for them to track me across campus in the dark. I don't remember this but my suitemate told me that I kept asking them to wait to call the ambulance until the Gumby's (pizza) I ordered had arrived.

    All I got for my incident was a drinking ticket (10 hours community service and a 2 hour alcohol education class) and I was suppossed to pay to replace the glass. Their lazy asses never replaced it though so I never got charged for it. I tried denying I was drinking but through some impressive detective work they saw a trail of blood leading to the garbage chute, blood smeared on it and the walls around it and then found a bloody backpack in the dumpster. The campus police officer "investigating my case" was quite pleased with himself for being such a super sleuth and cracking the case then subsequently catching me in a lie. I avoided the vandalism charge by telling them I had tripped and put my arms out to catch myself (the fuckers tried charging me with damage to state property too since technically the state owns the dorm and everything in it and apparently it's a worse charge than damage to personal property). There were no witnesses to the actual incident so they had no case and had to take my word. Also, because my arm was in a cast I got to do my community service answering the phone in the student health center. I never payed my roommate for fucking up his rug and futon either because he was a little bitch and figured he deserved it for some reason or another.

    I guess that's the benefit of attending a public university as oppossed to a private one with religious affiliations.
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    chard and Nuts, your stories made my day. lol oh god.
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    ya. lol@ watching elimidate. lol x 1000 @making the cops wait for gumbys before calling the ambulance.


    but skins, 80% + you win if you present your case well. put it together like you would a paper and make it nice. find whatever precendent you can, whether from your school or from comparable ones. throw in some stuff from the mission statement. quote aquinas or someone on the spirit of the laws.
    if it matters a lot to you, or if you just want to be badass about it, do <20 hrs community service and document it. tell them you wanted to do it anyways, and that's not what bothers you about the punishment.
    what bothers you is that it's capricious and stuck on the dumb letter of the law, and that it hurts your good standing in the school community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
    When I was a freshman I came home drunk one night and being a drunk idiot I went to the dorm of a girl I was interested in.
    This reminds me of something that happened when I was a freshman in college (its not very related to your story, it just reminded me of it though). I lived in a suite which had two bedrooms (and a bathroom). The three rooms together had a small anteroom that connected them with the main dorm hallway. I usually would leave my actual room door unlocked and just lock the main suite-door.

    That's all precursor to the story. It was late at night and my suite-mates were having friends over, so they had the main suite-door propped open. I was going to sleep and had just gotten into bed (I slept on the top bunk, and my roommate who slept on the bottom bunk was hanging out in the other room of the suite, so I was the only one in the room at the time).

    Anyway, about 10 minutes later, a girl who I didn't know stumbles into my room, kicks off her shoes, and clumsily climbs up to the my bed and collapses next to me before she even noticed I was there. So I'm like, "Hello?". When she noticed I was there, she nearly fell out of the bed and slurred "Who are you? What are you doing in my bed?". I responded, "That's a good question". She just looked confused and I couldn't help but laugh for a good 15 seconds, which is how long it took her to figure out this wasn't her room.

    It turns out she lived across the hall (which happened to be a very symmetrical hall) and had entered the building from a different entrance than she's used to (and thus entered the hall from my side of the hall when she usually entered from her side).

    The next day she stopped by to apologize, and it turns out we got along really well, so we ended up hanging out for the rest of that year. Unfortunately, we never ended up in the same bed again (even though I tried to make that happen).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate George
    now THAT is an awesome college story. LOL
    Once I moved out of the dorms and into apartments with drugdealing roomates the stories got even better...

    Someday maybe I'll write about my roomate who individually plucked each pube on his scrotum while he was shrooming and then decided to display his glory for all to see at a very inopportune time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
    Quote Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
    When I was a freshman I came home drunk one night and being a drunk idiot I went to the dorm of a girl I was interested in.
    This reminds me of something that happened when I was a freshman in college (its not very related to your story, it just reminded me of it though). I lived in a suite which had two bedrooms (and a bathroom). The three rooms together had a small anteroom that connected them with the main dorm hallway. I usually would leave my actual room door unlocked and just lock the main suite-door.

    That's all precursor to the story. It was late at night and my suite-mates were having friends over, so they had the main suite-door propped open. I was going to sleep and had just gotten into bed (I slept on the top bunk, and my roommate who slept on the bottom bunk was hanging out in the other room of the suite, so I was the only one in the room at the time).

    Anyway, about 10 minutes later, a girl who I didn't know stumbles into my room, kicks off her shoes, and clumsily climbs up to the my bed and collapses next to me before she even noticed I was there. So I'm like, "Hello?". When she noticed I was there, she nearly fell out of the bed and slurred "Who are you? What are you doing in my bed?". I responded, "That's a good question". She just looked confused and I couldn't help but laugh for a good 15 seconds, which is how long it took her to figure out this wasn't her room.

    It turns out she lived across the hall (which happened to be a very symmetrical hall) and had entered the building from a different entrance than she's used to (and thus entered the hall from my side of the hall when she usually entered from her side).

    The next day she stopped by to apologize, and it turns out we got along really well, so we ended up hanging out for the rest of that year. Unfortunately, we never ended up in the same bed again (even though I tried to make that happen).
    this story had so much fucking potential.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate George
    Quote Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
    Quote Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
    When I was a freshman I came home drunk one night and being a drunk idiot I went to the dorm of a girl I was interested in.
    This reminds me of something that happened when I was a freshman in college (its not very related to your story, it just reminded me of it though). I lived in a suite which had two bedrooms (and a bathroom). The three rooms together had a small anteroom that connected them with the main dorm hallway. I usually would leave my actual room door unlocked and just lock the main suite-door.

    That's all precursor to the story. It was late at night and my suite-mates were having friends over, so they had the main suite-door propped open. I was going to sleep and had just gotten into bed (I slept on the top bunk, and my roommate who slept on the bottom bunk was hanging out in the other room of the suite, so I was the only one in the room at the time).

    Anyway, about 10 minutes later, a girl who I didn't know stumbles into my room, kicks off her shoes, and clumsily climbs up to the my bed and collapses next to me before she even noticed I was there. So I'm like, "Hello?". When she noticed I was there, she nearly fell out of the bed and slurred "Who are you? What are you doing in my bed?". I responded, "That's a good question". She just looked confused and I couldn't help but laugh for a good 15 seconds, which is how long it took her to figure out this wasn't her room.

    It turns out she lived across the hall (which happened to be a very symmetrical hall) and had entered the building from a different entrance than she's used to (and thus entered the hall from my side of the hall when she usually entered from her side).

    The next day she stopped by to apologize, and it turns out we got along really well, so we ended up hanging out for the rest of that year. Unfortunately, we never ended up in the same bed again (even though I tried to make that happen).
    this story had so much fucking potential.
    I concur, I had the bow chuck a bowwwww music in my head about half way through and then it just fizzled out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate George
    Quote Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
    Quote Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
    When I was a freshman I came home drunk one night and being a drunk idiot I went to the dorm of a girl I was interested in.
    This reminds me of something that happened when I was a freshman in college (its not very related to your story, it just reminded me of it though). I lived in a suite which had two bedrooms (and a bathroom). The three rooms together had a small anteroom that connected them with the main dorm hallway. I usually would leave my actual room door unlocked and just lock the main suite-door.

    That's all precursor to the story. It was late at night and my suite-mates were having friends over, so they had the main suite-door propped open. I was going to sleep and had just gotten into bed (I slept on the top bunk, and my roommate who slept on the bottom bunk was hanging out in the other room of the suite, so I was the only one in the room at the time).

    Anyway, about 10 minutes later, a girl who I didn't know stumbles into my room, kicks off her shoes, and clumsily climbs up to the my bed and collapses next to me before she even noticed I was there. So I'm like, "Hello?". When she noticed I was there, she nearly fell out of the bed and slurred "Who are you? What are you doing in my bed?". I responded, "That's a good question". She just looked confused and I couldn't help but laugh for a good 15 seconds, which is how long it took her to figure out this wasn't her room.

    It turns out she lived across the hall (which happened to be a very symmetrical hall) and had entered the building from a different entrance than she's used to (and thus entered the hall from my side of the hall when she usually entered from her side).

    The next day she stopped by to apologize, and it turns out we got along really well, so we ended up hanging out for the rest of that year. Unfortunately, we never ended up in the same bed again (even though I tried to make that happen).
    this story had so much fucking potential.
    I concur, I had the bow chuck a bowwwww music in my head about half way through and then it just fizzled out.
    I think this is a classic situation where it's probably best to lie your ass off to make the story really good instead of "meh." Just consider it like an "alternate ending" or something, like they do on DVDs sometimes.


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    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself
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    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself
    How is this lolling at america?
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    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself
    How is this lolling at america?
    He meant

    "LOL @ AMERICAN"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainObviouss
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself
    How is this lolling at america?
    He meant

    "LOL @ AMERICAN"

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    I got into a bunch of trouble my freshman year and got kicked out of the dorms. Part of my punishment was to attend some classes that I never attended. It is a year later and I have not heard anything about it. They gave me a letter saying my academics were on hold 2nd quarter of frosh year but I succesfully signed up for classes and have completely ignored the bullshit administration of my school.

    S'all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself
    How is this lolling at america?
    Just seems to me America is a place where people are obsessed with telling others what they can and can't do.
    see: abortion debate (no, you can't do this), George W Bush (China, France, Palestine, you can't do that), war on drugs (you definitely can't do this*), illegalization of prostitution (you can't do that).

    *all countries have anti-drug legislation but the USA with it's "war on drugs" seems to be taking things far too seriously. They're picking on the easy targets by stinging purchasers with pretend dealers rather than doing the hard yards and trying to make proper busts

    I'm not saying stupid shit doesn't happen in Australia, but generally we observe a more live and let live kind of attitude. In college where I've been in Australia pretty much anything goes. If word spread that an RA did this to you over a candle he/she would wish they were dead right about now
    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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    there are 100 countries worse than american in that respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    LOL @ AMERICA

    that is so stupid... a candle? How about you hire some hit men and bash the shit out of the RA. Or if you're a martial artist like me do it yourself

    this idea rocks. Im in, $10 for the hit yah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    there are 100 countries worse than american in that respect
    how many of these have universities worth going to?
    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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    thats irrelevant; you said "Just seems to me America is a place where people are obsessed with telling others what they can and can't do. "
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    Update at that top lolz.
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    I'd be bad at staying calm.

    I woulda lost my temper, but I think that could have made it worse for you.
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    why did you put the update at the top? that makes no sense and in protest im not reading it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    why did you put the update at the top? that makes no sense and in protest im not reading it!
    I think he should do 20 hrs of community service for that.
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    For those two lazy to go back to the top.

    UPDATE: So I went into to appeal my 20 hours of community service for the candle... The director wouldn't budge. I politely debated with her for an hour about it, which I guess wasn't working. I got angry towards the end because of how ridiculous this was, but her main defense was illogical. LOL she said back to me a lot "How am I going to punish people for having candles in their room if I don't give them community service?"
    WHAT!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS?
    Conversation:
    She also made another point that someone lit a candle one year and burned her room down. I promptly told her my candle had never been lit. She said well there's a temptation to light it, I said I didn't have the intention to it was just a gift, one I wasn't going to melt. She says it's not about intention. Conversation goes on about I was told before I left for winter break to make sure my room passed all the regulations. well then I go so this is because I didn't hide the candle or take it home? She goes no, it's not about that. So I go then what did I do wrong? Well, you had a candle in your room. I say every other university has no rules about having un-lit candles in your room, only burned ones. She goes well we're not every other university. So I go fine, but I was hoping you'd at least lessen my penalty. She uses the defense I first mentioned, I argue, and she goes 'well it's not that bad, you can put it on your resume.' I realize she's not gonna budge, I say fine and thank you for doing all you could (in a non sarcastic voice) and leave. I immediately call up all my friends again.
    Is there anything else I should do? My mom is Jewish, should I have her try and call in (I'm jewish)? My Dad's a Lawyer and also Jewish, maybe him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    why did you put the update at the top? that makes no sense and in protest im not reading it!
    I think he should do 20 hrs of community service for that.
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    jk i agree
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    Ummm... how does the fact you and your family are jewish relate? Was it a hanukkah candle?
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    I dunno, I thought he meant he'd play the discrimination card! That always works!
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    Lol I was kinda joking at the stereotype of Jewish mothers being bitchy and pushy (ala Sheila Brofloski).
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    dont do your community service until you inevitably receive a traffic ticket. ask the judge for the chance to do community service to pay off your ticket (throw in there that you are a broke college student and need to pay tuition). Get your community service hours signed off for the college and for your ticket. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

    From my experience with school administration there is nothing you can do now. A lot of oficials enforce rules strictly because they can. I was made an example when I was kicked out of the dorms. I was forced to write a paper where I had to tell my friends and fellow people that lived with me in the dorms about what I did and chronicle their reaction. It was all a complete bullshit way for me to get the word out that you cannot fuck around or you will get booted. I refused to do that along with the class and as said earlier I have not heard anything at all about it. Until they contact me I am ignoring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
    dont do your community service until you inevitably receive a traffic ticket. ask the judge for the chance to do community service to pay off your ticket (throw in there that you are a broke college student and need to pay tuition). Get your community service hours signed off for the college and for your ticket. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

    From my experience with school administration there is nothing you can do now. A lot of oficials enforce rules strictly because they can. I was made an example when I was kicked out of the dorms. I was forced to write a paper where I had to tell my friends and fellow people that lived with me in the dorms about what I did and chronicle their reaction. It was all a complete bullshit way for me to get the word out that you cannot fuck around or you will get booted. I refused to do that along with the class and as said earlier I have not heard anything at all about it. Until they contact me I am ignoring it.
    QFT.

    Is there an administrative law appeals tribunal in your state? In Australia, universities are covered by the AAT Act (Administrative Appeal Tribunal Act). You'll want to try for a merits review 'cos the university doesn't seem to have breached any principles of natural justice

    I don't know whether this is a ridiculous situation in the US, but you could try taking your story to a current affairs TV show.

    For now it's best probably to ignore it. Check and see what villain does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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    its really sad that a university is run this way. Whenever I explain why I didnt go to college (I never liked school, traditional shcooling is not a productive learning enviorment for me), they tell me "yah but its nothing like highschool its way different!" While Im sure it is, things like this make me more and more sure that I made the right choice for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    I say every other university has no rules about having un-lit candles in your room, only burned ones.
    I told you already and still state that a lot of universities have a zero tolerance policy with anything flame related, like candles, grills, me, etc. I also told you your appeal wasn't going to work. Universities have to have a zero tolerance policy because there is a temptation to have a candle around and light it. People will just open the window and let the smoke blow out. This allows for the rare occurrence of an accident from some idiot who forgets to put it out, etc. While it's not fair to you, a case by case basis isn't the most efficient way to prevent these situations from happening. Honestly, there are options. Buy your own house. Until you do so, you're going to be living under campus rules, landlord rules, parents rules, etc. It may not be fair, but it's not your room, so you're going to have to live by others' rules. Next time make sure you know these rules and you won't have a problem.

    I don't see what the big deal is. You weren't fined money, you're not being kicked out of your dorm (yeah you're on "probation" but its just for a minor infraction), and all you have to do is give a little back to your community. Life is so tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    I say every other university has no rules about having un-lit candles in your room, only burned ones.
    I told you already and still state that a lot of universities have a zero tolerance policy with anything flame related, like candles, grills, me, etc. I also told you your appeal wasn't going to work. Universities have to have a zero tolerance policy because there is a temptation to have a candle around and light it. People will just open the window and let the smoke blow out. This allows for the rare occurrence of an accident from some idiot who forgets to put it out, etc. While it's not fair to you, a case by case basis isn't the most efficient way to prevent these situations from happening. Honestly, there are options. Buy your own house. Until you do so, you're going to be living under campus rules, landlord rules, parents rules, etc. It may not be fair, but it's not your room, so you're going to have to live by others' rules. Next time make sure you know these rules and you won't have a problem.

    I don't see what the big deal is. You weren't fined money, you're not being kicked out of your dorm (yeah you're on "probation" but its just for a minor infraction), and all you have to do is give a little back to your community. Life is so tough.
    I agree; from a policy standpoint it's a trade off between having rules that are easily enforceable and catching more or less innocent people with a zero tolerance policy.

    I'd like to know where this "rule" was stated. Did you sign a contract and it was somewhere on the small print? Or are there like big signs all over the place saying candles and other flammables are strictly prohibited in the dorm rooms? I think it's a bit unfair to be punished for something in clause 21 of a contract with 20 pages and nobody really knows about it.

    But I don't think that's the case. So I'm expecting you'll just have to call it a bad beat. If you're good at not letting things get to you too much you can ignore them and put them to a bit more trouble and see what they'll do. At least you wasted some of their time too then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
    well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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    I know red you are right but under my own circumstances from the biased point of view of completely knowing myself I feel like the penalty is ludacris. But of course, you have a point.
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    have you asked for a copy of the rules?
    Chek the rules to see if they have possesion of a candle as a reason to punish you and if the punishment types are listed.
    If they dont have a written rulebook, complain they are discriminating against you because you were unaware that candle possesion was against the rules etc. Deny ay conversations.
    yeah im serious. if they dont have the paperwork, dont listen to their shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    have you asked for a copy of the rules?
    Chek the rules to see if they have possesion of a candle as a reason to punish you and if the punishment types are listed.
    If they dont have a written rulebook, complain they are discriminating against you because you were unaware that candle possesion was against the rules etc. Deny ay conversations.
    yeah im serious. if they dont have the paperwork, dont listen to their shit.
    Yah I remember I had a project due in highschool. It was presentation and the teachers (it was a 2 period class english/history) signed up for a big room to fit both the classes in a tthe same time. They told us that we had to present on the date we were assigned, and if we werent ready or where abscent, excused or not we would insta fail. When they told us this I brought up that school rules say that if an absense is excused (parent has to call in and excuse it) that the student can make up any work or something like this. The teacher insisted that if you dont present on your day you fail.

    I didnt have my project done, barely even had it started, so I skipped school, had my mom call in, and finished it that day. When I came in the next day this bitch acted like I couldnt present. I said "fine, we can take it up with the dean." We did, and he lolopwned her ass right in front of me. Her face got all red and stuff, I just grinned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    have you asked for a copy of the rules?
    Chek the rules to see if they have possesion of a candle as a reason to punish you and if the punishment types are listed.
    If they dont have a written rulebook, complain they are discriminating against you because you were unaware that candle possesion was against the rules etc. Deny ay conversations.
    yeah im serious. if they dont have the paperwork, dont listen to their shit.
    All campus housing facilities have a beginning of the year meeting where they either discuss the rule booklet you find in your room or then pass them out. The rules are also available online. Ignorance is never a good defense for any kind of law breaking.
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