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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    The penultimate episode of season 1 was depressing. I'm hoping for an uplifting finale but I fear it won't come.
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    Well I didn't know there were fucking dragons! I probably would have watched it sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    "'Cause this shit, this is me, yo, right here."
    I love the random use of the word "yo", yo, by uneducated Americans.

    (i think I did that right)
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    Ahhhh I just read some definitions and examples. Seems the best way to understand yo is by replacing it with the word "man" and imagining an old stoned hippy speaking.
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    Can anyone limk me to that awesome 2plus2 thread on the wire that discusses each character in detail?
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    Ty Renton.
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    Oh Snap.

    Better Call Saul premieres tonight.
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    Got - the hand! Didn't see that happening, although in hindsight it makes complete sense because he committed the cardinal sin of doing something nice just before, and we know what happens to people who do something nice in got.
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  10. #1435
    was that before or after stannis the mannis and sweet king joffrey run a train on khaleesi?
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    No ones watching Saul?
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    i did. it's good. i suspect will get better
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    I watched the first two eps today and enjoyed it, not so much the intro to ep 1 but the rest was good.
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    tbh i liked the ep1 intro but only once it was over and i realized what it was
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    whoa ep2 was fantastic. better call saul is gonna be awesome
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    I really like how they are unabashedly making this Breaking Bad just that it stars Saul instead of Walter. Like, the theme is exactly the same, the tone is the same-- we watch as otherwise good people get their backs to the wall and end up breaking bad. I feel like this could almost read as a detraction, only that we're talking about Breaking Bad here. They pretty much figured out a way to keep making the show without jumping the shark.
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    pretty much

    i think as long as they get a few new, liked characters that could always be possible deaths, it will be fine.
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    I'm surprised there's any characters left to kill after another depressing episode of game of thrones. Wonderful wedding, left me as depressed as always.
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    Better Call Saul feels a bit rushed to me. I'll give Vince Gilligan the benefit of doubt and guess that he's trying to get ethical Saul Goodman out of the way asap because he's got much better ideas for after.
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    about 5 episodes in on Californication. Anyone watch this? It's only mentioned once about 3 years ago. Not sure this will grow on me.
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    Didn't get past first episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    about 5 episodes in on Californication. Anyone watch this? It's only mentioned once about 3 years ago. Not sure this will grow on me.
    I watched a few seasons then lost interest. It's much better than a lot of stuff out there, but by the time I quit watching it just started to feel really soapy with no direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I watched a few seasons then lost interest. It's much better than a lot of stuff out there, but by the time I quit watching it just started to feel really soapy with no direction.
    Ya see, I couldn't put my finger on it. It has done nothing to grow a story or any characters. The fifth episode could have been the first.
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    X files is coming back with original actors and director.

    I'm gonna watch all 200 episodes in anticipation.
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    i love britta way too much.
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    Anyone seen Bloodline? It seems to be getting decent reviews so I may decide to watch it. Which would of course be completely illogical since I've yet to see Mad Men or Deadwood, but hey!
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    Watch Deadwood.
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    saul's so good
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    Yeah, I just watched e09. Shit is about to get real.
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    nobody writes characters like gilligan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Yeah, I just watched e09. Shit is about to get real.
    Yep! Great episode.
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    I started watching better call saul, im enjoying it, actually promises.
    someone has seen Bonnes? its good?
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    Can't deny they're doing a great job of telling a story where we already know how it ends and making it very interesting.
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    Better call saul is quite well made but I just couldnt get myself to care for his character as the main focus of the show so I stopped watching for now.

    Mostly just waiting for GoT to start again in a week or two. Its just so far and beyond anything else at this point. Yesterday I watched Mythica:quest for heroes. I dont think you can enjoy it outside of being a total RPG buff, but were so starved for decent fantasy shows that Ill be watching the next two installments also.
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    bad move jv

    understood that saul is not the most compelling character. mike is more compelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    bad move jv

    understood that saul is not the most compelling character. mike is more compelling.
    Ha, you're stupid.
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    the best episodes are all ones with lots of depth on mike instead of just saul alone.

    saul is great too, but i see how some would think he's not the most compelling in the world
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    Saul's great. The episode with the backstory for Mike was jarring as hell and probably the worst episode of the run in many ways. I obviously enjoyed it but it was really a pure crowd-pleaser episode meant to sate everyone's appetite for Mike. Everything else about this season could have been equally enjoyed by someone who had never seen Breaking Bad. I find Saul's character to be very compelling and easily capable of carrying an hour-long show.
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    I like how they tied-in the Cinnabon part from Season 5 of Breaking Bad. I hadn't noticed it until I went back and watched Breaking Bad... Saul says he'll be lucky if he's managing a Cinnabon when he skips town. S1E1 of Better Call Saul starts out with him working there, but it doesn't look like he's a manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    bad move jv

    understood that saul is not the most compelling character. mike is more compelling.
    Ok I might check that out then. Saul is for me great as a secondary character, not so much as the main and the ways they try to make him sympathetic is too much "save the cat" playbook for my taste. (reading that book def ruined some movies/series for me but thats another discussion)
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    Anybody seeing Sons of anarchy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jostone6 View Post
    Anybody seeing Sons of anarchy?
    I watched all the seasons available to me in Mexico on Netflix... great show. So rad seeing Katey Sagal say the "p" word nonstop after all those years watching her alongside Al in Married with Children and then being John Locke's squeeze in Lost.
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    The p word?
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    lol I forget... American lingo.

    True story... one of my first gigs here in Mexico nearly 20 years ago when I still thought I was "on vacation" was teaching English. Back then, all they checked for was a native-speaker accent and a pulse before hiring and it beat playing the guitar and singing songs I didn't understand the words to for free beer in bars (just barely).

    Anyway, a fellow ESL instructor from London invited some of us over to her place to party one night and a cat jumped on her lap. She pet the cat, put it down, and announced, "Sparkles is such a good pussy." A few of us Americans spit our beer out to laugh, because it was so weird for us to hear the "p" word in that context.
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    So I've been rewatching Oz for like the fifth time now, and its interesting how viewing a series multiple times at different points in my life always causes me to reflect differently on it. Oz was basically the genesis of the one hour serial drama concept as exemplified by later classics like the Sopranos, the Wire, Breaking Bad, etc. It was the first HBO one hour series, and you can see the ensemble cast all over television ever since.

    My general take of Oz since I first watched it when I was a teenager is that the years haven't treated it nicely. Lined up next to the current top TV series contenders, it has this really dated soap opera style. The violence and drama is super exaggerated and its extremely hard to suspend disbelief. Time seems super compressed. Characters go through entire emotional arcs that should take years over the course of an episode or two. Even real aspects of the penal system are time-compressed, like how death row inmates get executed within weeks of conviction and HIV-infected inmates progress to full blown AIDS within a few episodes.

    It took this re-watch for me to realize that those aspects of the show weren't really flaws. I think while Oz was billed as this realistic, gritty show, its actually a show meant to showcase its actors. There's a real element of theatricality to it. The show just puts these characters in as many tight spots as possible during the limited running time and hopes they shine. Oz didn't have anything really to emulate. Filmmakers and film actors didn't really mingle with TV at this point in time like they do now, so they had to draw from theater. I believe many of the actors and writers probably had a lot more experience doing plays than doing movies or shows, and it really shows in the way Oz is put together.

    Anyway, watch Oz guys.
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    Community is hilarious. How have I never seen this?
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    probably because you hate firefly

    make sure to skip the season of community between dan harmon getting fired then rehired (s4 iirc). chevy chase didnt like him and like the normal doofuses producers are, they sided with chevy's medium talent ass. took a season to discover harmon is the real talent and chevy once said half a funny thing twenty years ago.
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    Sense8 is fast becoming one of my favourite sci-fi shows.
    Can't wait for season 2.
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    Community is hilarious. How have I never seen this?
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    Narcos. You need it in your life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Narcos. You need it in your life!
    Yeah, I'm two episodes in, and it's really solid. Seems to be a sort of ten hour version of Blow.
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    If you enjoyed blow, you'd enjoy a book called smokescreen. It's about Allen Long, a guy who wants to make a documentary about drug smuggling and runs out of money mid way so gets into smuggling himself. It's set in the 70s and he does some pretty cool and original stuff right at the beginning of the smuggling Boom. Well worth a read.
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    started narcos. so fucking legit. wanted to say that early in ep one the narrator tells a story of how rodents choose coke over food and sleep or something. iirc that's only true of rodents in dire lab habitats. when in naturally stimulative ones, they dont obsess over coke. im maybe 85% positive on this. not terribly interested in looking it up to be sure.
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    It's odd that to the uninvolved cocaine comes across as being this addictive drug that can quickly ruin your life. But, maybe not so much now, but in my earlier life I knew tonnes of people who did coke all the time and none of them became the stereotypical drug addict. I think you need a lot more issues in your life than just a taste for getting high before you end up a full blown junkie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    started narcos. so fucking legit. wanted to say that early in ep one the narrator tells a story of how rodents choose coke over food and sleep or something. iirc that's only true of rodents in dire lab habitats. when in naturally stimulative ones, they dont obsess over coke. im maybe 85% positive on this. not terribly interested in looking it up to be sure.
    Yeah, I think that study was shown to be bunk-- but the veracity of the study doesn't really detract from the narrative. The narrator is a character and that character is speaking while under the impression that the study is legit.
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    Show Me a Hero

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    Great from a filmmaking standpoint but the narrative couldn't have been more one-sided. The villains are portrayed as bigot simpletons who were on the wrong side of history, and the end titles flat out state that public housing was a success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Show Me a Hero

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    Great from a filmmaking standpoint but the narrative couldn't have been more one-sided. The villains are portrayed as bigot simpletons who were on the wrong side of history, and the end titles flat out state that public housing was a success.

    Spoiler:
    Pretty sure they state that those specific public housing town homes were a success.

    And I can see why the seemingly one sided narrative irks you, but it's a drama based on a novel, not a documentary based on a history book. And with that being said, do you have any evidence to the contrary, or are you simply bothered by their characterization because you agree with their policy positions?

    All that aside, I agree, great film making. It's really an exciting time for cinema.
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    Spoiler:
    No doubt, many of the villains' policy positions were motivated by racism. That doesn't make their dog-whistle reasons any less valid. It is unfair for the state to impose policies that will plummet the property values of people who paid for their homes. It could be catastrophic to people who have mortgages that were priced based on an earlier valuation of the land, and now are stuck paying double what the property is worth for the next 20 years.

    I'm okay with an opinion piece that agrees with the public housing side of the debate, I just wish they would have made the villains a little less one-dimensional. Aside from Catherine Keener, they were all red-faced white people with the n-word on the tip of their tongues. Even Keener's character was kind of a bimbo. The first scene with Cool Lester Smooth was ridiculous, like someone who's been living within 2 miles of the Bronx her entire life has never encountered an articulate black man before. This isn't Boise, Idaho we're talking about.

    As for the housing working, maybe you have a point. But if the Wire is any indication, the townhouse units had nation-wide mixed results as well. Also, it is hard to argue that the Yonkers housing was even a success if you take into account that it took 20 years of litigation to get them built. If they'd have just disbursed the funds that it took to pay all of those court officials, lawyers, politicians, and staffers directly to the poor instead, it could have bought a lot more houses.
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    First paragraph:

    Yeah, for sure, I think that's a good point. Even a person without any hate to let out of their heart would rightfully take issue with the fact that their property value would plummet. I wonder if there would have been some way to work that out. Like a tax credit or something.

    Second:

    I think you'd be surprised. I know you grew up in the South, and in a lot of ways I feel like it may be more integrated than some parts of the North. I understand where you're coming from, but I really don't think this was a stretch at all. Maybe I'll pm you some anecdotes or something if you're interested.

    Third:

    Well, again, I think you're kinda shifting the goal post. The caption, as I recall, said that these specific instances of public housing were a success. They showed us a good deal of details about how they were implemented and so on. Expanding that to all townhouse style public housing... did they all follow the same plan, or were there too many units packed on top of each other, or were they not integrated into better neighborhoods, or whatever else. Being townhouses was a major factor in the the planned success, but that alone, as was argued on the show, would not have been enough. For example, the low rises in the Wire were just more projects in the ghetto. If I'm not mistaken, they were actually in the shadows the towers.
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    finished Orphan Black, love it.
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    Anyone tries sense8 yet?
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    Anyone tries sense8 yet?
    I did. caveat: I only saw the first 3 episodes.

    Positive: The Wachowskies are really good at creating quirky and fun worlds that speak to alternative subcultures. The scifi part of the story (their psychic abilities and the way they randomly bleed into each other's lives) is pretty cool. Not hard scifi at all, very much focused on the emotional narratives of these people's lives and how the superhuman ability stuff is interwoven in their life problems. Anyway, the scifi intrigue stuff is pretty slick and cool, if a little ambiguous and confusing.

    Negative: Honestly, a lot of crappy writing. Also, really heavyhanded self-righteous pedantic ideology. It's just so obvious when they're preaching social commentary about whatever -- inner city violence, police, transphobia, etc. -- it really takes away from any authenticity of the characters. It's like they constructed a scene just so a character can vent about a certain political issue -- it feels fake. The overt, not at all subtle ideological agenda totally flattens the characters. There's also some other cliched writing/storylines that are a bit of an eye roll -- sometimes they're so campy it's fun and sometimes it's just a boring trope.
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    What ever happened to shows like combat, ironside?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    I did. caveat: I only saw the first 3 episodes.

    Positive: The Wachowskies are really good at creating quirky and fun worlds that speak to alternative subcultures. The scifi part of the story (their psychic abilities and the way they randomly bleed into each other's lives) is pretty cool. Not hard scifi at all, very much focused on the emotional narratives of these people's lives and how the superhuman ability stuff is interwoven in their life problems. Anyway, the scifi intrigue stuff is pretty slick and cool, if a little ambiguous and confusing.

    Negative: Honestly, a lot of crappy writing. Also, really heavyhanded self-righteous pedantic ideology. It's just so obvious when they're preaching social commentary about whatever -- inner city violence, police, transphobia, etc. -- it really takes away from any authenticity of the characters. It's like they constructed a scene just so a character can vent about a certain political issue -- it feels fake. The overt, not at all subtle ideological agenda totally flattens the characters. There's also some other cliched writing/storylines that are a bit of an eye roll -- sometimes they're so campy it's fun and sometimes it's just a boring trope.
    Agree with most of the criticism. I guess I kinda let it slide because there were so many characters that we needed to relate to and using cliché stereotypes was an easy way to do it, I guess it's a little lazy maybe. But I got over it because I liked the premise and the way they blended the characters together was pretty cool.

    It gets better. Although expect more crappy dialogue. But more cool shit too. Lots of cool shit in fact. Plus a couple of awesome memorable lines that help you overlook the shittier dialogue.
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    so good, great rec
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    Reviews look promising.
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    Review is genius. It's the Breaking Bad of comedy.

    Getting through Fargo season 1 now, so amazing. Saw first ep of season 2 also, really excited to catch up to it.
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    Oh haha, rong I misread your post. Whatever, Review still rocks.
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    Review looks kinda cool. Might have to give it a shot. A convenient misunderstanding.
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    be sure to stick with it for multiple episodes so you can see how the story arc forms. the premise might lead you to believe that it's episodic, but it's the total opposite. there's a whole crazy storyline that emerges from the different "reviews" he has to do. andy daly is so fantastic. and the tone of the show is strange too, both absurd and realistic.. it's just fucking weird. i love it.
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    The movie recommendation thread is on page 2, so I'll dump this here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPt1am18lR4

    This guy does 60 minute long reviews that are better than the movie. If you don't have 60 minutes, here's 3 minutes from his 60 minute Titanic review:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMmZq0rTpA0
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