*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[Poopadoop]

It's not new with Trump.

So it was happening on a large scale before and no-one was bothered by it?

And "it" isn't even what "it" is supposed to be. The media has reported a bunch of false things and has certainly not reported any of the facts of how things work and who does what.

This sounds to me like another excuse. Anything that makes Trump look bad is characterized as 'fake news'. He just can't lose this way, it's perfect.

What are these 'facts' to which you have access I wonder? Can I ask how you obtained them and what makes you believe they are more credible than the 'news'?

[wufwugy]

So it was happening on a large scale before and no-one was bothered by it?

The media that constructs popular narratives is certainly not bothered by things Democrats do.

[Poopadoop]

The media that constructs popular narratives is certainly not bothered by things Democrats do.

Fox News is constantly bothered by Dems.

If this were going on under Obama, I'm about 150% sure that they would have been decrying his lack of 'family values' and making all the stink they could. Since that didn't happen, we're left with the options that either the family separations didn't happen under Obama but are happening now, or that they aren't happening now either and are just something made up by the non-Fox news people.

[wufwugy]

Fox would. When it comes to television, almost all of the media is Democrat media. Fox is the one out.

[BananaStand]

If this were going on under Obama, I'm about 150% sure that they would have been decrying his lack of 'family values' and making all the stink they could.

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and also not correct.

For christ's sake man....in order to criticize Trump...the pulled out photos from border facilities taken in 2014. HUH?????

And please stop making it sound like things are barbaric down at the border. They aren't. You make it sound like it's Poland in the 1940's down there. There's a 'zero-tolerance' policy, and no one ever said it was going to be all sunshine and rainbows. No one is getting beaten. No one is getting tortured. No one is being forced to carry bags of wet salt in the hot desert sun. Families are getting separated because the parents are being charged with a crime. That's what would happen to your family, if you committed a crime.

If you're worried about your family being separated, the solution is simple. Don't commit crimes.

Seriously, it's that simple. Just play by the rules, and no one will bother you.

Take your libtard-demagogue hat off for a minute and think critically now. What would happen if we gave these people a pass, enforced no consequences, and sent them on their merry way all in the name of family unity? Seriously think about the answer to that.

You would be sending a message that says crossing illegally into America is risk-free as long as you bring kids. That means that families who are caught can just keep trying until they succeed at entering the country. It means that immigrants are incentive-ized to bring children on a life-threatening hike through the desert. It means that the cartels and the human traffickers now have the means and motive to further exploit children.

It means that we weren't really enforcing the border at all.

And I clearly remember Fox News bitching about that.

[Poopadoop]

Did somebody write something below my post? All I can see is a big empty space.

[BananaStand]

Did somebody write something below my post? All I can see is a big empty space.

I guess ignoring me is easier than contending with a logical argument.

But if you ever do pull your head out of the sand, I'd very much like your answer to this:

What would happen if we gave these people a pass, enforced no consequences, and sent them on their merry way all in the name of family unity?

[wufwugy]

He does bring up the important point that the media used photos that were taken from when Obama was president and claimed they were from when Trump is president.

How known is that fact? Did it get any play outside of the small corner of the conservative media?

[BananaStand]

I hope she never opens a pickle jar again. I hope she has to spend the rest of her life asking a man for pickles.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cant-open-jars

Bitch ain't even American!!!

[wufwugy]

I hope she never opens a pickle jar again. I hope she has to spend the rest of her life asking a man for pickles.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cant-open-jars

Bitch ain't even American!!!

Two things:

(1) At first it was funny. Now Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real mental health problem that we need to address.

(2) Frankly, I'm not interested in reading her article, but I skimmed. Looks to me like it *could* be satire. I mean, who says this with a straight face?

I didn’t want Trump to win – he’d grabbed women by the pussy and...

[BananaStand]

(1) At first it was funny. Now Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real mental health problem that we need to address.

That won't happen until there is a drug for it. They don't change the DSM without a profit incentive.

(2) Frankly, I'm not interested in reading her article, but I skimmed. Looks to me like it *could* be satire. I mean, who says this with a straight face?

uhhhhhh....shitloads of people man.

[CoccoBill]

For a lot of people voting isn't just about policy or politics, it's about values. I would wager a guess the percentage who vote mainly based on values is somewhere between 60-80%

[wufwugy]

For a lot of people voting isn't just about policy or politics, it's about values. I would wager a guess the percentage who vote mainly based on values is somewhere between 60-80%

Yep.

[wufwugy]

It's just, that line, is just, so, weird.

It's like her subconscious stepping forth. Who hasn't grabbed a woman by the pussy? When that tape blew up it had to do with people imagining a certain context that allowed them to say it was non-consensual and stuff. But this chick doesn't even go there and just says that grabbing by pussy (something everybody does) is bad.

Would make for neat satire, I guess, but is probably just emergent from very lazy braining.

[Poopadoop]

Who hasn't grabbed a woman by the pussy?

just says that grabbing by pussy (something everybody does) is bad.

What the hell are you talking about?

[wufwugy]

heh

[Poopadoop]

You don't know either huh?

[BananaStand]

Sometimes the pussy just falls into your hand.

[Jack Sawyer]

I believe YOU don't want kids to be mistreated, but the actions of your government suggest applying that same moral to EVERYONE is being generous. It's hard to see this as some unintended side effect of immigration policy. It wasn't happening under Obama (at least not on a large scale), but now it's happening under Trump.

So do you think this is all just a big mistake or accident? And if it is just a mistake, then how does a mistake like this happen - i.e., when someone says 'let's jail these illegal immigrants', doesn't someone else ask 'what about the ones with kids?' And if they don't ask that then why aren't they getting sacked?

I like how wuf answered the non-bolded part and completely ignored the bolded part

[Jack Sawyer]

I hope she never opens a pickle jar again. I hope she has to spend the rest of her life asking a man for pickles.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cant-open-jars

Bitch ain't even American!!!

LOL where do you even get this shit

[wufwugy]

I like how wuf answered the non-bolded part and completely ignored the bolded part

I did answer it. I don't know what is happening, and neither does the media that is misleading people on it.

[MadMojoMonkey]

What the hell are you talking about?

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought:
hmm... have I grabbed a woman by the pussy? No... I'm fairly certain that all of the times I was directly interacting with a pussy, "grabbing" wasn't going on, there.

It's a terrible point, anyway. It assumes that the woman whose pussy Trump allegedly grabbed wasn't into it. Maybe she was. I don't know.
I wouldn't want most people I meet to grab me by the dick upon meeting. However, there are some whom I'd simply love it if that was our standard greeting. Maybe less so since I'm not single and haven't been for years, but if I was... Helloooooo, Nurse!

[BananaStand]

Had a conversation at the poker table recently.

Food and drink service in this card room is shockingly slow, even when they don't lose your order. It's been a prominent topic of complaint for quite some time now. [I'm turning into a degenerate low stakes reg, but that's another story]

The problem is that as waitstaff positions go, this one is the nut low. It's a small clientele. Most regs don't drink much. They pool tips. Etc. And there are better jobs out there. I can't drive a mile right now without seeing a half dozen "help wanted" signs. So this place is woefully understaffed, and service suffers. You can't do anything about it. The servers they do have do their best. They're not bad people. They're just tasked with the impossible. There's bottled water in the vending machine about 20 steps away from the table, so I manage to not be one of the complainers.

We decided that the problem is Trump. He's running the economy too fucking well, and there is too much competition for talent. So a place like this with shitty work and low pay can't run effectively. It was better under Obama, when there were fewer jobs and talented people had to do shitty work for low pay.

[wufwugy]

Had a conversation at the poker table recently.

Food and drink service in this card room is shockingly slow, even when they don't lose your order. It's been a prominent topic of complaint for quite some time now. [I'm turning into a degenerate low stakes reg, but that's another story]

The problem is that as waitstaff positions go, this one is the nut low. It's a small clientele. Most regs don't drink much. They pool tips. Etc. And there are better jobs out there. I can't drive a mile right now without seeing a half dozen "help wanted" signs. So this place is woefully understaffed, and service suffers. You can't do anything about it. The servers they do have do their best. They're not bad people. They're just tasked with the impossible. There's bottled water in the vending machine about 20 steps away from the table, so I manage to not be one of the complainers.

We decided that the problem is Trump. He's running the economy too fucking well, and there is too much competition for talent. So a place like this with shitty work and low pay can't run effectively. It was better under Obama, when there were fewer jobs and talented people had to do shitty work for low pay.

The problem is also Trump in that illegal alien labor has been vanishing after he got elected.

Of course, illegal aliens being an important source of labor is a problem of a broken immigration system (and probably broken domestic family).

The takeaway: immigrant labor is super important in the contemporary world. Though Trump's strategy of creating an upright and fair system is a good one, a bad side-effect has been downward pressure on what GDP could potentially be due to significant reduction in certain types of labor typically done by illegal aliens.

[BananaStand]

certain types of labor typically done by illegal aliens.

No such thing.

You can not name an occupation in America that is not staffed, in the vast majority, by American citizens. The notion that "immigrants do the jobs American's don't want to do" is demagogue bullshit purveyed by the left to justify open border policies. It's a scare tactic. They want you to worry yourself sick about "who's gonna mow the lawn??"

A god damn 12 year old will mow the lawn, ok. Tell him to put down the fucking X-box and get his ass outside.

[wufwugy]

No such thing.

You can not name an occupation in America that is not staffed, in the vast majority, by American citizens. The notion that "immigrants do the jobs American's don't want to do" is demagogue bullshit purveyed by the left to justify open border policies. It's a scare tactic. They want you to worry yourself sick about "who's gonna mow the lawn??"

A god damn 12 year old will mow the lawn, ok. Tell him to put down the fucking X-box and get his ass outside.

You are completely correct in your criticism here. To add to that, when we covered this in my labor economics class, my professor was pretty clear when he said it's not true that somebody "won't do that job", what is instead true is somebody "won't do that job for that price." This then raises the question why they won't do that job for that price.

I don't really want to get into that, though. You were discussing how the labor at your casino is shitty because the laborers are going to bigger and better jobs. A lot of those jobs being left are ones that include a lot of work done by illegal alien labor, which has been drying up since Trump. There is a way to transform the economy so that illegal aliens don't make up any important part of the labor supply. I just wanted to point out that Trump's actions are not a pure good. I don't disagree with his actions (I agree with them very much actually), but there are associated negatives.

[BananaStand]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...0-viewers.html

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[OngBonga]

Palin - “I join a long list of American public personalities who have fallen victim to the evil, exploitive, sick 'humor' of the British 'comedian' Sacha Baron Cohen, enabled and sponsored by CBS/Showtime.”

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now that shit is funny. Ali Fucking G is EVIL.

[OngBonga]

Someone do a Borat meme saying "death to infidels"

[oskar]

Or remember when Roosevelt said both sides were to blame and he will be working with Japan on their harbor security. Or when Reagan famously said "This is a great wall you have there, Mr Gorbachev." and congratulated him on his strong borders.

[Poopadoop]

Trump World tour 2018.

First, goes to G7, shows up late, leaves early, claims great success, then turns on Trudeau and rips up joint statement in tweet.

Then, goes to meet KJU. Brags about not preparing, speculates about winning Nobel prize, praises awful dictator to the sky, comes away claiming historic victory, by all accounts accomplished nothing.

Then, visits NATO and immediately starts ripping into them, claims historic meeting when he actually did nothing but stoke fear in his allies that America is now an unreliable ally.

Then,goes to UK, shits all over May and praises her rival, keeps the Queen waiting, and claims great success.

Somehow finds time to go golfing at his golf course in Scotland at taxpayer expense, getting free advertising on top of it.

Next goes to meet Putin, by all accounts doesn't prepare, has secret meeting presumably to discuss if pee tape still exists, then comes out and licks Putin's nutsack in presser, claiming he believes him over his own intel service, brags about election win, and complains (again) about Hillary's emails. Gets in hot water back home, and tries to pretend he meant to say the exact opposite of what he did say and coincidentally, didn't happen to catch his own misstatement and correct it when he said it.

You just can't make this shit up.

[BananaStand]

You just can't make this shit up.

Democrats need to realize that this is their PUNISHMENT

You have massive populations in left leaning states that spend all their time smoking pot and hating corporations. 10% of their population can actually afford to live there and the rest live in tents on the sidewalk and do heroin. Yet they think they can dictate economic policy over rural america in the name of income equality.

Then they said, "fuck borders". Anyone can come over. For any reason. At any time. It doesn't matter if they have skills. It doesn't matter if they have an education. It doesn't matter if they speak the language. It doesn't matter if they have a criminal record. Their kids can go to our schools for free, and they'll get medicaid all funded by the American taxpayer. God bless the U S A

They villainized anyone successful. They glorified and glamorized victimization. They adopted foolish equity doctrines. And forced post-modernism through our schools. They monopolized academia and raised a generation of adult-babies in debt.

They ran a corrupt presidential campaign by conspiring with a chosen candidate instead of allowing for a fair fight. US intelligence agencies were corrupted to facilitate an investigation into Trump's campaign.

And it's all happening within a chaotic social justice pissing contest.

Trump represents everyone who is pissed off by the above, and it's a lot of people. He's saying what they think, and doing what they want him to do. He's fumbled a few times, no doubt. But I still say nothing objectively terrible has happened, and the country is actually running pretty great.

You guys seem to think that there are people out there that think Trump is infallible and Trump can do no wrong, and Trump is beyond criticism, etc etc etc etc. You think that Trump has duped these people into buying into his rhetoric and believing in his perceived greatness.

I can see why you would think that, but it's completely wrong. Those people would think that way about ANY republican. They don't love Trump. They HATE the radical left direction the country was going in (see above). They were fucking pissed off, and anyone who echoed their anger would be loved. Trump just happened to be that guy. He's merely an avatar for the middle-class, middle-American sentiment that rages against the rapidly increasing overreaches of the left.

That's actually a really good way to put it. He's an avatar.

It really could have been anybody. But it helps that he's a disgusting, foul-mouthed, grouchy, outspoken pig of a man. I mean that's one way to really spike the football in the democrats faces. And it's EXACTLY why the left's failure to learn their lesson, and their doubling-down on the identity politics bullshit will cost them in the midterms. You watch.

[OngBonga]

Then,goes to UK, shits all over May and praises her rival, keeps the Queen waiting, and claims great success.

- is great success.

[oskar]

Democrats need to realize that this is their PUNISHMENT

So basically exactly this:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...munity/2163878

A resident of one of the apartments told police that his neighbor, Kenneth Haskins, 58, admitted to setting the fire, according to an arrest report.

Haskins, who lives in the apartment where the fire started, later told detectives that he wanted to get back at the company that manages Mar Plaza, police said.

His reason: They had recently told him to stop masturbating in front of his open windows and front door, according to police. He was arrested on a charge of first-degree arson and held in the Orient Road Jail without bail...

Haskins, who has lived there for more than a decade, suffers from facial disfigurement that is the result of having previously shot himself in the face with a shotgun

[Poopadoop]

- is great success.

Baby blimp was easily the most successful part of that visit.

[Poopadoop]

Lol, this is getting to be a habit.

[BananaStand]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...elections.html

I want to know what would happen if I went to Finland and demanded, as a non-citizen, to participate in the running of public schools by voting for administrators. I wanted to take my American, capitalist, standardized-test, common core agenda right to Helsinki and smear it all over a Finnish election ballot.

I wonder if that would be ok.

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Democrats need to realize that this is their PUNISHMENT

You have massive populations in left leaning states that spend all their time smoking pot and hating corporations. 10% of their population can actually afford to live there and the rest live in tents on the sidewalk and do heroin. Yet they think they can dictate economic policy over rural america in the name of income equality.

Then they said, "fuck borders". Anyone can come over. For any reason. At any time. It doesn't matter if they have skills. It doesn't matter if they have an education. It doesn't matter if they speak the language. It doesn't matter if they have a criminal record. Their kids can go to our schools for free, and they'll get medicaid all funded by the American taxpayer. God bless the U S A

They villainized anyone successful. They glorified and glamorized victimization. They adopted foolish equity doctrines. And forced post-modernism through our schools. They monopolized academia and raised a generation of adult-babies in debt.

They ran a corrupt presidential campaign by conspiring with a chosen candidate instead of allowing for a fair fight. US intelligence agencies were corrupted to facilitate an investigation into Trump's campaign.

And it's all happening within a chaotic social justice pissing contest.

Trump represents everyone who is pissed off by the above, and it's a lot of people. He's saying what they think, and doing what they want him to do. He's fumbled a few times, no doubt. But I still say nothing objectively terrible has happened, and the country is actually running pretty great.

You guys seem to think that there are people out there that think Trump is infallible and Trump can do no wrong, and Trump is beyond criticism, etc etc etc etc. You think that Trump has duped these people into buying into his rhetoric and believing in his perceived greatness.

I can see why you would think that, but it's completely wrong. Those people would think that way about ANY republican. They don't love Trump. They HATE the radical left direction the country was going in (see above). They were fucking pissed off, and anyone who echoed their anger would be loved. Trump just happened to be that guy. He's merely an avatar for the middle-class, middle-American sentiment that rages against the rapidly increasing overreaches of the left.

That's actually a really good way to put it. He's an avatar.

It really could have been anybody. But it helps that he's a disgusting, foul-mouthed, grouchy, outspoken pig of a man. I mean that's one way to really spike the football in the democrats faces. And it's EXACTLY why the left's failure to learn their lesson, and their doubling-down on the identity politics bullshit will cost them in the midterms. You watch.

I actually think most of this is correct. We may differ on degrees, but yeah, Trump is a big fuck you to the political establishment, those benefitting from progress without giving a care to those who suffer from it, etc.

Now that we've come to this common ground, how do we keep this clown from destroying the world? His primary attribute, as you've said, is that he enrages the other side. What happens when his inclination to do so results in what is not unreasonably causing the word treason to be floated*? We get it, you're mad, and you have a right to be, but now that you've lashed out, how do we actually move forward and fix the problem?

*I don't agree that he's committed treason, but we are in a situation where the word entering the conversation isn't as absurd as it should be. He's certainly flirted with treason in publicly entertaining the idea of handing over a former US ambassador for interrogation by a adversarial foreign power.

[BananaStand]

Now that we've come to this common ground, how do we keep this clown from destroying the world?

Stop with this. He's not going to destroy the world, nor could he. And actually, there's a hell of a lot less nuclear testing and saber-rattling than their has been in a while. So give some credit where credit is due. You can't say he's a potential world-destroyer when he's still a potential candidate for the nobel peace prize. Seriously wtf?

*I don't agree that he's committed treason, but we are in a situation where the word entering the conversation isn't as absurd as it should be.

He's been called racist, misogynist, sexist, fascist, nazi, dictator, totalitarian, puppet, cheater, liar, and a vast number of other seemingly disqualifying epithets. In fact, this isn't even the first time the word "treason" has been thrown around. In fact, the first time it was Trump's guy, Bannon, who said the word. It wasn't some left leaning journalists who needed a new buzzword to sell papers. What makes you think this even matters?

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Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and the right acted as if (some literally saying) he was the anti-christ.

You can't hold that he has the power to MAGA, but not the power to do the opposite. I could be wrong, his actions with NATO, NK, Russia, etc could be tactics of a winning long term strategy-- but if that's possible, the opposite must be true too. Injecting doubt into our relationships with our allies regarding Americans commitment to trade, Article 5 of NATO's charter, etc may be part of a winning strategy for us and the world, but it's and odd thing to expect from a president who's main attribute as a candidate was that he pissed off the other side.

Right-- that's what's got so many people perplexed, none of this seems to matter to his base. They are so caught up riding the high of giving the middle finger to all those who've wronged them (perceived or in reality) that they refuse to acknowledge or even entertain any of Trump's glaring shortcomings. It's no surprise that he turned out to be all these things-- after all, these are all the things that would piss off the other side, and that was what his supporters voted for.

[BananaStand]

They are so caught up riding the high of giving the middle finger to all those who've wronged them (perceived or in reality) that they refuse to acknowledge or even entertain any of Trump's glaring shortcomings

You're historical perspective here is pretty narrow. The options were: You could vote for someone you align with on policy, or someone you align with on temperament. You can't have both. And each has consequences that you have to live with.

It's like you think that thoughts about Trump's shortcomings just bounce off of his supporters, or sail right over their heads. They aren't totally indifferent to these things.

All of the offensive things about Trump were known, and carefully considered by those who ended up supporting him. This all happened BEFORE he became president. In fact, BEFORE he won the republican primary. We knew he was sleazy, uncouth, outspoken, cantankerous, etc etc etc. It was a tough pill to swallow, but frankly it wasn't possible to vote for a president without "glaring shortcomings".

Trump's were considered, and accepted as the lesser of two evils when compared to a Hillary presidency. Trump hasn't done anything, or acted in any way that is inconsistent with what you would have predicted on the day he announced his candidacy. For fuck's sake man, he's been ranting about tarriffs since the 80's!! So to be "outraged" by any of his behavior now is to admit to being a wholly naive idiot when you voted.

is that what you're expecting republicans to do?

[Poopadoop]

Right-- that's what's got so many people perplexed, none of this seems to matter to his base. They are so caught up riding the high of giving the middle finger to all those who've wronged them (perceived or in reality) that they refuse to acknowledge or even entertain any of Trump's glaring shortcomings. It's no surprise that he turned out to be all these things-- after all, these are all the things that would piss off the other side, and that was what his supporters voted for.

I think the yahoos who go to his rallies and chant his slogans are actually a fairly small proportion of his base that gets off on the middle finger part of it; that are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

I think a greater proportion made a somewhat defensible choice between the lesser of two evils, or maybe just voted R because they always vote R. Now they're stuck with their choice, and cognitive dissonance is keeping them from admitting their mistake .

One also shouldn't underestimate the effect of media sources that are clearly biased in presenting Agent Orange in the best possible light in all possible circumstances, and backing his tinfoil hat theories about opponents out to get him. Imagining watching that day in and day out, the relentless drum beating propaganda being driven into your head repeatedly for two years. It has to affect their thinking. Maybe they started out watching it because it already was biased to their way of thinking. Then it confirmed their choice was the correct one in the early days, and by now it's just the only version of reality they can make sense of.

It's like for those on our side who occasionally turn on Fox News just to see what they're doing - it's actually quite difficult to watch because it's message is so much the opposite of what you think is true. The same feeling must arise in Trump's supporters any time they get exposed to the so-called 'fake' news.

People interpret what they see within the framework of their world view - when it agrees with that they say 'fuck yeah', when it contradicts it they say 'this is bullshit'. The end result is two sides that get more and more invested in their own version of reality, and more and more alienated from those embracing a contrary world view.

[Poopadoop]

To be honest, sometimes I watch CNN, NBC, or whatever and think they're going over the line, or picking on things that really aren't important about what Trump says or does. And on many occasions, they're outrage seems out of proportion.

The ideal news network would simply report what he does without including any editorializing or passing of judgment. On that basis, if you just evaluate his actions on their own merits (and also, importantly, ignore his constant self-appraisal of how great a job he's doing, which is another form of propaganda), it's hard to argue he isn't a pretty shitty president.

[BananaStand]

It's like for those on our side who occasionally turn on Fox News just to see what they're doing - it's actually quite difficult to watch because it's message is so much the opposite of what you think is true. The same feeling must arise in Trump's supporters any time they get exposed to the so-called 'fake' news

You might be right about it being a two-way street. But there is simply NO WAY the traffic is flowing equally in both directions.

First, don't paint all of Fox News with the Hannity-brush. Second, take a look at the video that Jack posted recently of the conservative guy storming off of a cable news show because they were trying to cram the word "Sharia" in his mouth. That wasn't a debate. That wasn't an honest exchange of ideas. Hannity does the same thing sometimes. But there are people who like to watch that, so who are we to judge.

But when it comes to a sincere willingness to actually debate the other side....Fox and the conservatives blow the left out of the water. I mean, watch Chris Hayes at 8pm on MSNBC. Then flip over to Tucker Carlson on Fox, and tell me which one of those people is working in an echo chamber.

Compare Lawrence O'Donnell to Laura Ingrahm. It's not even close. One of those people is a demagogue, the other one is Laura Ingrahm.

That's why fox is #1 and MSNBC sucks.

Now if you wanna say Fox is #1 because it's the only conservative game in town...fine. All you're saying there is that ALL OTHER media is heavily tilted left. That's just gonna make more people watch Fox.

[BananaStand]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/opini...ion/index.html

HA HA HA HA "BEST" week ever huh?? This is it? Cloud 9 huh guys? This is the most fun a comedic political commentator will ever have in his lifetime? This week...."the best"???

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

No one's gonna remember this in a month!!!

And this was your chance to bring the guy down!! Think about it, this is supposedly the most humiliated he's ever been and I promise you he gives zero fucks and lost zero votes.

This is your A-game dems???

OMG....too funny....

Richard Marx!!!

HILARIOUS

[Jack Sawyer]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...elections.html

I want to know what would happen if I went to Finland and demanded, as a non-citizen, to participate in the running of public schools by voting for administrators. I wanted to take my American, capitalist, standardized-test, common core agenda right to Helsinki and smear it all over a Finnish election ballot.

I wonder if that would be ok.

Is your American, capitalist, standardized-test, common core agenda demonstrably bettr than the one they have in Helsinki? If so, I'd say go right ahead.

[BananaStand]

Is your American, capitalist, standardized-test, common core agenda demonstrably bettr than the one they have in Helsinki? If so, I'd say go right ahead.

And if not????

Seriously, what if it isn't demonstrably better? what if it's actually demonstrably worse

Is that relevant?

Is that how voting works in Jack-land? You have to prove that your way is right before you're allowed to vote??

What the hell man?? I know Monkey doesn't like it when I'm rude to you but come on. what kind of thinking is this??

And yes, the American way is demonstrably better. We've been through this. Finland sucks.

[BananaStand]

I'm seriously tilted right now.

I'm sure you're gonna tell me to chill, or that you were just being hyperbolic, or facetious, or some garbage like that. I'm not buying it.

That's a supremely dangerous way of thinking Jack. Fascism doesn't end well.

[wufwugy]

I actually think most of this is correct. We may differ on degrees, but yeah, Trump is a big fuck you to the political establishment, those benefitting from progress without giving a care to those who suffer from it, etc.

A question is why is he a big fuck you to the establishment? As an insider, I can say it's because the view is that the establishment is screwing people over. Which means that for Trump to be a successful politician according to his supporters, he has to make things better.

This brings us to what I use, the prediction model of reality. So far, the prediction model of reality has shown that virtually every Trump-specific concern anybody had was wrong.

[Jack Sawyer]

And if not????

Seriously, what if it isn't demonstrably better? what if it's actually demonstrably worse

Is that relevant?

Civilization strives to get better. At least, it should in theory. As an example, female genital mutilation is demonstrably bad, therefore should be outlawed everywhere IMO.

Yet it isn't. In some places it's dictated by the local culture and is widespread

However, if I had the chance where I can somehow vote for it to be outlawed, then I would. No hesitation obviously

Ergo, status quo = "yes female mutilation", and I'd like it to change to "no female mutilation". Yet if the choice would instead be that I'd be forced/have to change that with something which is, again, demonstrably worse, like say, decapitation, wouldn't really make sense now would it

This all in the places where it is applicable obviously

Is that how voting works in Jack-land? You have to prove that your way is right before you're allowed to vote??

Well, if there is a method to something, and you want to change that method for some reason and do so democratically, then you should be able to easily demonstrate why the current method you want to change is bad and why the one you wish to change it with is better when it has to come down to a vote, in order to somehow win said vote, right?

Logic isn't hard, banana

What the hell man?? I know Monkey doesn't like it when I'm rude to you but come on. what kind of thinking is this??

Honestly I don't care if you are rude, it's just further demonstration of your high IQ at play there

So go right ahead, be as rude as you feel the need to be. Like Charles Wright & the Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band said, express yourself

And yes, the American way is demonstrably better.

Show me actual, valid proof that corroborates your opinion

We've been through this. Finland sucks.

To you, apparently, it does. To the world, apparently, it doesn't

Must be nice, ignoring facts, research, outcomes and reality like that, and default to a RAH RAH AMERICA FUCK YEAH attitude all the time

[BananaStand]

Jack, are you high right now?

The article was about non-citizens, in the country illegally, participating in the democratic process and policy-making. The question at hand, is whether or not they have the right to vote. It has nothing to do with whether or not the policies that they would support are "demonstrably better".

This isn't a question of "what should be voted for"

The question is "who votes?"

Are you following me now?

Seems to me that what you've advocated now, in two consecutive posts, is that only the people who's policies are "demonstrably better" than the status quo, should be allowed to vote.

So if I have a great plan for education reform, I can go and vote for it in Finland. But if the plan sucks, I'm denied access to the voting booth. Is that your position? Do I have that right? If not, you should correct yourself, because that is EXACTLY what you said. No strawmen.

Question: Should people with no legal status in the country be allowed to vote?

Jack's Answer: Only if their ideas are "demonstrably better"

Who decides what's "better"?

[BananaStand]

Show me actual, valid proof that corroborates your opinion

# of American flags on the moon > # Finnish flags on the moon


ON THE FUCKING MOON JACK!

[OngBonga]

Planting flags on moons is how we measure if a nation sucks or not? Quick, Finland, divert all your money into a space programme designed to put a flag on Europa. Actually, make that two flags.

[BananaStand]

Planting flags on moons is how we measure if a nation sucks or not? Quick, Finland, divert all your money into a space programme designed to put a flag on Europa. Actually, make that two flags.

Why do they need so much money? To hire Americans?? I thought all their free schools were just churning out little geniuses non-stop.

[OngBonga]

Flags are heavy, it takes a lot of fuel to lift one out of the atmosphere.

[BananaStand]

Flags are heavy, it takes a lot of fuel to lift one out of the atmosphere.

Actually no. The real reason is that jowels are not aerodynamic

[OngBonga]

These photos were clearly taken in winter when their faces were frozen in a strange shape after sleeping.

[BananaStand]

These photos were clearly taken in winter when their faces were frozen in a strange shape after sleeping.

Isn't it winter year-round in Finland?

Just another reason why they suck.

[OngBonga]

It's 25 degrees in Helsinki right now, and forecast to get warmer.

That's 25 logical degrees, ie 25% between freezing and boiling water.

I did the googling for you. 75 stupid degrees.

[BananaStand]

It's 25 degrees in Helsinki right now, and forecast to get warmer.

That's 25 logical degrees, ie 25% between freezing and boiling water.

I did the googling for you. 75 stupid degrees.

How many sunny days in England so far in 2018??

Don't tell us how to measure weather. You clearly have a bias against it.

[OngBonga]

How many sunny days? A fuck ton more than last year already, probably. Fuck knows. How is that a fair measure, anyway? I'm sure USA had 365 sunny days last year, what with it being fucking massive.

[MadMojoMonkey]

How many sunny days? A fuck ton more than last year already, probably. Fuck knows. How is that a fair measure, anyway? I'm sure USA had 365 sunny days last year, what with it being fucking massive the best at everything.

FYP

[BananaStand]

I'm sure USA had 365 sunny days last year, what with it being fucking massive.

That's right. Length AND girth baby

[BananaStand]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/fo...AHj?li=BBnbfcL

Damn, she was literally the #1 reason I watched Fox News.

She was almost Trump's press secretary. God that woulda been hot.

[OngBonga]

Also impotent.

Does anyone remember when USA was a global superpower?

[BananaStand]

Also impotent.

Does anyone remember when USA was a global superpower?

If it wasn't for us, you'd be turned into Germany's toilet. Your whole fucking country would have been one giant prison labor camp for the national socialist empire.

[OngBonga]

If it wasn't for us, you'd be a different colour and would have respect for the environment.

[OngBonga]

If it wasn't for us, you'd be turned into Germany's toilet. Your whole fucking country would have been one giant prison labor camp for the national socialist empire.

How do you say this in the language you'd be speaking if it wasn't for us?

[Jack Sawyer]

Jack, are you high right now?

The article was about non-citizens, in the country illegally, participating in the democratic process and policy-making. The question at hand, is whether or not they have the right to vote. It has nothing to do with whether or not the policies that they would support are "demonstrably better".

This isn't a question of "what should be voted for"

The question is "who votes?"

Are you following me now?

I was replying to the bolded part in your comment, which is why, I, uh, bolded it

Seems to me that what you've advocated now, in two consecutive posts, is that only the people who's policies are "demonstrably better" than the status quo, should be allowed to vote.?

Voting seems to be an alien concept for your high IQ

[BananaStand]

I was replying to the bolded part in your comment, which is why, I, uh, bolded it

Voting seems to be an alien concept for your high IQ

You're not making any sense buddy.

You said, that I, as an American citizen, should be allowed to vote in Finnish elections but only IF I have a plan that is "demonstrably better" than what the Finnish have now.

Let's just go back to the original link ok? There are people who are in America, illegally, with no status or protection under the law. Some municipalities are extending the right to vote to these people.

What are they bringing to the table that is "demonstrably better"?

[Jack Sawyer]

You're not making any sense buddy.

You said, that I, as an American citizen, should be allowed to vote in Finnish elections but only IF I have a plan that is "demonstrably better" than what the Finnish have now.

Try again, rereading my reply. Note the bolded part which was bolded for some reason

Let's just go back to the original link ok?

No, fuck fox news

There are people who are in America, illegally, with no status or protection under the law. Some municipalities are extending the right to vote to these people.

Are they a part of the community? Do they pay taxes? Have they been living there enough to have an opinion on what goes on around there? Then maybe they should have a vote

Or you can just pretend they don't exist

Or mount themm all on a wagon and send them to Mexico

What are they bringing to the table that is "demonstrably better"?

Again, try rereading my reply, and noting the bolded part

[BananaStand]

Are they a part of the community? Do they pay taxes? Have they been living there enough to have an opinion on what goes on around there? Then maybe they should have a vote

WOW ok...

So let's say I move to Finland. And I have kids in Finnish schools. And someone runs for school board, or whatever they have over there, on a platform of private schools and standardized tests.

Then let's say I invite a whole community full of my American friends and family to all move to Finland and settle in the same area as me.

None of us are there legally. None of us give a shit about the culture there. We like the American-style education, and if we're allowed to vote, then we vote for the change.

Now that little Finnish town we live in is full of illegal American immigrants, with the right to vote, and thus, representation in government.

So....is it still Finland?

[BananaStand]

Try again, rereading my reply. Note the bolded part which was bolded for some reason

Oh I see

You read what I wrote, then twisted it and invented some totally different meaning.

Nice trick....

[Jack Sawyer]

Are they a part of the community? Do they pay taxes? Have they been living there enough to have an opinion on what goes on around there? Then maybe they should have a vote

Bolded for emphasis

WOW ok...

So let's say I move to Finland. And I have kids in Finnish schools. And someone runs for school board, or whatever they have over there, on a platform of private schools and standardized tests.

Then let's say I invite a whole community full of my American friends and family to all move to Finland and settle in the same area as me.

None of us are there legally. None of us give a shit about the culture there. We like the American-style education, and if we're allowed to vote, then we vote for the change.

Now that little Finnish town we live in is full of illegal American immigrants, with the right to vote, and thus, representation in government.

So....is it still Finland?

LOL the strawman game is strong with this one