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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    ^Total demagoguery

    What 'Batman' narrative?
    Oh, you know, the vigilante part?

    C'mon, even with your intellect you should have been able to make that connection


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    When have you ever heard Batman say "I was walking back to my truck and this dude jumped me and broke my nose. I was screaming for help like a pussy bitch. He reached for the gun. He was going to kill me, so I shot him."
    Cliff's notes: dude killed a dude because he wanted adventure and yet was a pussy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I bet they all carry guns now, you mean.
    lol.

    MBN to live in a country where you never know who has a gun and a hair-trigger brain.

    The only way that story gets better is if they all draw on him at the store and take his Chinese food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Baffling? Empathy is not something we're all blessed with. Some people are sociopathic. It's a trait. Traits baffle you?
    Actually, yeah. When I see sociopathic tendencies like that it's kind of baffling to me

    I mean, you know there have to be people out there who are bonafide assholes, literally incapable of seeing any situation through anyone else's eyes but their own.

    And then you find them. It's just like seeing a snake IRL the first time at a zoo.

    I mean, you know they exist and yet you do not really mind (think about) them until you find them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Cliff's notes: dude killed a dude because he wanted adventure and yet was a pussy.
    Got a source for the bolded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    MBN to live in a country where you never know who has a gun and a hair-trigger brain.
    Like Switzerland?

    The problem with America isn't guns. It's Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    By Jack's logic, the four of them would be totally justified in beating the crap out of me, and if I dared to defend myself, I should go to jail.

    'cuz...who follows someone???
    You forgot the confrontationally asking "why the fuck you following me" part.

    But I know. Must have flown right by your high iq
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    literally incapable of seeing any situation through anyone else's eyes but their own.
    LOL.. you don't even know what empathy means.

    It doesn't mean that someone has to be blamed and punished for a tragedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    you know there have to be people out there who are bonafide assholes, literally incapable of seeing any situation through anyone else's eyes but their own.
    You mean Al Sharpton?
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    I mean, you know there have to be people out there who are bonafide assholes, literally incapable of seeing any situation through anyone else's eyes but their own.
    I don't think a lack of empathy is the inability to put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's the ability to not give a fuck about random people, regardless of any sense of understanding for their situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    You forgot the confrontationally asking "why the fuck you following me" part.
    And what if they don't like my answer?

    What if my answer is "fuck you that's why"

    What are they allowed to do to me then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Like Switzerland?
    The Swiss have hair-trigger brains?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The Swiss have hair-trigger brains?
    Nope, but they have guns. Like I say, the problem is cultural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Jeez, so if I'm walking through town and someone is behind me going in the same direction, I should call the police? I mean, I'm being followed. Maybe I need to turn right or left and see the other person make the same change before we are legally classed as "being followed". Still, maybe they were going that way anyway. Where's the line?
    Ong, how many times and how many different ways did I mention this exact thing?

    You are arguing my point by stating my point. What are you doing
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    LOL.. you don't even know what empathy means.

    It doesn't mean that someone has to be blamed and punished for a tragedy.
    Your strawmen must be getting worn out
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    And what if they don't like my answer?

    What if my answer is "fuck you that's why"

    What are they allowed to do to me then?
    Then I guess you must pull out a minigun and mow the city down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Your strawmen must be getting worn out
    LOL, this from the guy screaming "BATMAN COMPLEX" about a guy crying for help

    and "HATEFUL WHITE SUPREMACIS" about a hispanic guy.

    Tell me again what stawman is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't think a lack of empathy is the inability to put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's the ability to not give a fuck about random people, regardless of any sense of understanding for their situation.
    The easiest way to understand another person's situation, feelings, motives is the metaphorical putting yourself in their shoes

    Or do you have another better way?
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    You're missing my point Jack. If you turn left, then turn right, and the guy does the same, how do you don't know you're being followed? Maybe he just happens to be going the same way. More to the point, how does a court prove this guy was unlawfully following you? How does a court prove that someone didn't accidentally go the wrong way? How does a court prove a person's route is identical to another person's? How does a court prove intent to follow?

    IF there are aggravating factors, such as running, or brandishing a weapon, or some kind of direct confrontation, or some kind of obsessive stalking, then it's a different matter. We're no longer just taking a walk. But if you're simply following someone who you've never met before, keeping a distance and not being otherwise intimidating, with no intention of actually engaging that person, then you're taking a walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    LOL, this from the guy screaming "BATMAN COMPLEX" about a guy crying for help
    isn't he? Thinking he is the caped crusader cause he has a gun?

    If he had no gun, he'd be at home watching UFC reruns

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    and "HATEFUL WHITE SUPREMACIS" about a hispanic guy.
    I'm unsure as to the word "white" appearing in any of my statements.

    I do know for a fact I never claimed anything about "hate" nor "supremacy". Be sure to check, since you like facts so much.
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    Your point about stopping, that doesn't wash. If I were walking home, and the guy in front of me suddenly stopped and looked at me, I'd at least slow down, and stop if I were too close and felt intimidated. You say you're a big guy? Yeah that would unnerve the fuck out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    I'm unsure as to the word "white" appearing in any of my statements.

    I do know for a fact I never claimed anything about "hate" nor "supremacy". Be sure to check, since you like facts so much.
    It's obviously implied when you invoke racism as the motivation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    If he had no gun, he'd be at home watching UFC reruns
    Source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    It's obviously implied when you invoke racism as the motivation

    No, it's not implied. You are attempting yet another strawman

    These must be getting worn out
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Source?
    The gun he was carrying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    The gun he was carrying
    Strawman
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Your point about stopping, that doesn't wash. If I were walking home, and the guy in front of me suddenly stopped and looked at me, I'd at least slow down, and stop if I were too close and felt intimidated. You say you're a big guy? Yeah that would unnerve the fuck out of me.
    Because you don't want to understand, that's a different thing.

    You may walk around very aloofly, I don't.

    If I notice someone following me, I will change course immediately/in a dissimulated manner just to see if they continue following. I may even stop in my tracks and see if they continue walking along. Or not.

    It's inevitable that at some point there will be a confrontation if they get made.

    I am aware of my surroundings at all times when on the move, Ong
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Strawman
    Unlike yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    If I notice someone following me, I will change course immediately/in a dissimulated manner just to see if they continue following. I may even stop in my tracks and see if they continue walking along. Or not.

    It's inevitable that at some point there will be a confrontation if they get made.

    I am aware of my surroundings at all times when on the move, Ong
    You sound like a a batshit gun-toting psycho from the American south.
  29. #1754
    If I think I'm being followed, I'll walk faster and plan a route that allows me to determine if I am indeed being followed, ie take a right, then a left, then a left, knowing that a local going the same way would have just gone straight on at the first turning. If I'm unfamiliar with the area, then my pace will be even more brisk. I'm only thinking about confrontation if the fucker is too close for me to evade.

    I get that if someone is changing direction with you, and it's clear there's no innocent reason for it, then we have a problem. But any sane person would try to get away from that situation, especially in a country where guns are widespread. And I still don't see how it can be illegal to "follow", from a purely practical point of view. It's near impossible to prove that someone is following, rather than walking in the same direction as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You sound like a a batshit gun-toting psycho from the American south.
    And that's without a gun, Imagine that.

    This is only when people decide to follow me on the street for no reason

    Also, so now since your strawmen attempt failed you go straight to ad hominem?

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If I think I'm being followed, I'll walk faster and plan a route that allows me to determine if I am indeed being followed, ie take a right, then a left, then a left, knowing that a local going the same way would have just gone straight on at the first turning. If I'm unfamiliar with the area, then my pace will be even more brisk. I'm only thinking about confrontation if the fucker is too close for me to evade.
    The point is everyone is different Ong. Therefore, reactions will differ wildly. It's important to avoid such situations LDO.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I get that if someone is changing direction with you, and it's clear there's no innocent reason for it, then we have a problem.
    Thank you, that is what I have been saying all along

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    But any sane person would try to get away from that situation, especially in a country where guns are widespread.
    I don't think like an American, as such the widespread firearm thing is completely nonsensical to me

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    And I still don't see how it can be illegal to "follow", from a purely practical point of view. It's near impossible to prove that someone is following, rather than walking in the same direction as.
    That's the problem. However, that's why I would do the deliberate movements. It is very easy to make it out that way. The question is, once you made them, what follows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Also, so now since your strawmen attempt failed you go straight to ad hominem?
    Stop using those terms like you know what they mean
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    That's the problem. However, that's why I would do the deliberate movements. It is very easy to make it out that way. The question is, once you made them, what follows?
    Yeah I mean this confirms it to you. Fair enough, and once you've made that determination, well if you're a fight rather tha flight guy, who am I to say you gotta run? But from a legal pov... how the fuck do you expect to prove he made those changes in his course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Harrowing, but I take the cop's side in that. He was perfectly clear in his instructions and the consequences of not following them.
    He did not shoot on the first couple of times the guy did not follow instructions.
    At the end, it's hard to see what happened in the last second or two, but when we see the guy again, he's reaching behind himself, has crawled without his hands in the air and angled his body such that he's reaching behind himself.

    If he was otherwise innocent, he totally fucked up. Either way, good shooting, cop.

    I can't see taking the cop's side. The guy was drunk. The cop was screaming at him and the guy was crying and obviously pissing his pants afraid. He looked to me like he just lost his balance for a second and the cop pumps him full of lead? Waaaat?

    Maybe don't play Simon Says with someone while you're pointing a gun at them and they're drunk and expect them to follow your instructions to the letter.

    Cop needed to be calm, keep everyone else calm and not be shouting like a maniac. Of course that's going to freak someone out. My God, even cops in the comments section were saying 'wtf'.
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    Yeah I mean what happened to "get the fuck on the floor, now" before edging ever closer before frisking him for a gun? Even drunks can't fuck that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah I mean what happened to "get the fuck on the floor, now" before edging ever closer before frisking him for a gun? Even drunks can't fuck that up.
    I was wondering that myself. The only reason I can think of was maybe they thought someone else was around that corner waiting to ambush them?

    But if that's the case, then why not have the guy crawl on his belly with his hands stretched out in front of him. What's makes them think it's a good idea to have him get up on his hands and knees?

    I also didn't understand why, when the cop first told the guy to start crawling, he starts crawling, and then the cop shouts at him "CRAWL OVER HERE!!!!" Wasn't that what the guy was doing?
  37. #1762
    The guy reached behind himself toward his waistband twice. What is the cop supposed to think?

    is he supposed to wait until there's a bullet flying at his face before he contemplates the use of force?

    Fuck that. We need guys like this to keep the rest of us safe. They deserve to get home after work. Maybe this suspect is reaching for a gun. maybe he's just an idiot. Why does the cop have to take that risk? Why should he be expected to wager his life on whether this guy is a hostile killer, or a harmless dope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah I mean this confirms it to you. Fair enough, and once you've made that determination, well if you're a fight rather tha flight guy, who am I to say you gotta run? But from a legal pov... how the fuck do you expect to prove he made those changes in his course?
    Which is why I see absolutely no reason as to why this person would incite this situation by simply doing a thing he shouldn't do: follow a stranger

    The aftermath always becomes a he said she said
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Stop using those terms like you know what they mean
    Only when you stop attempting these, high iq Banana
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    The guy reached behind himself toward his waistband twice. What is the cop supposed to think?

    is he supposed to wait until there's a bullet flying at his face before he contemplates the use of force?

    Fuck that. We need guys like this to keep the rest of us safe. They deserve to get home after work. Maybe this suspect is reaching for a gun. maybe he's just an idiot. Why does the cop have to take that risk? Why should he be expected to wager his life on whether this guy is a hostile killer, or a harmless dope.
    A lot of cops in the comments to that video seem to disagree. But then again, you also think once you pull a gun you're obliged to kill someone with it, so I'm not surprised you have this attitude.

    Nah man, cops fucked up that situation from the beginning. They kept giving the guy different instructions, then yelling at him and totally freaking him out. It's no wonder the guy fucked up at some point.

    Cop had a totally itchy trigger finger. I'm surprised he didn't blow the keycard guy away later in the video for not following instructions too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post

    The aftermath always becomes a he said she said
    Only one of them was left to tell the story though. That's the part Zimmerman fans keep neglecting to mention, because we only ever heard his version of events, of course he's going to make it out like he was a choir boy and Martin was a lunatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    A lot of cops in the comments to that video seem to disagree.
    Have you ever been out to dinner with someone who has worked in food service, and feels emboldened to be judgmental and under-tip?

    People who comment on internet videos are the nut-low.

    Nah man, cops fucked up that situation from the beginning. They kept giving the guy different instructions,
    no they did not. The lady figured it out pretty easily. And you shouldn't really need to be told "don't reach for your waist when a cop has a gun pointed at you". No excuse for that level of stupidity. This guy being dead raised the average IQ of the human race.

    then yelling at him and totally freaking him out. It's no wonder the guy fucked up at some point.
    Do you think the cops woke up that day and said "let's see if we can freak people out"? It's not like they aren't stressed either.

    I'm surprised he didn't blow the keycard guy away later in the video for not following instructions too.
    LOL, you must be trolling, or really fucking high, if you think that guy got shot "for not following instructions"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Have you ever been out to dinner with someone who has worked in food service, and feels emboldened to be judgmental and under-tip?

    People who comment on internet videos are the nut-low.
    Speaking of being judgmental...


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    no they did not. The lady figured it out pretty easily. And you shouldn't really need to be told "don't reach for your waist when a cop has a gun pointed at you". No excuse for that level of stupidity. This guy being dead raised the average IQ of the human race.
    Brutal.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Do you think the cops woke up that day and said "let's see if we can freak people out"? It's not like they aren't stressed either.
    No, I think the cop didn't have the appropriate emotional equipment for handling the situation properly. It was his screaming and playing Simon Says that contributed to the guys' fucking up.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    LOL, you must be trolling, or really fucking high, if you think that guy got shot "for not following instructions"
    You must be trolling or really fucking high to be such a twat all the time.
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    This shit just cracks me up

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    cant go anywhere in britain without getting stabbed or without a loicense. just ask ur mate who tried going somewhere
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    It's a leftover from when there were only a handful of channels and government sponsored channels made unprofitable programming decisions that were awesome, such as: Having one channel only broatcast foreign language programs with subtitles. Scrapping dolby surround in favor of dual language broadcasting. Having actual university courses on TV, sponsoring local filmmakers, and only running a couple of minutes of ads between programs... when I was a child I don't think there were ads at all.

    I haven't had a TV in almost 20 years. About once every 3 years I get a knock on the door and a letter that I'm supposed to either register my tv, or sign a statent that I don't have one, which I don't, and there are no consequences. I imagine it's very similar in the UK.
    Ads like these are just scare tactics. I very much doubt they collect names of TV buyers. If you're worried they do, just pay cash.

    At least over here I don't think it's justified anymore. Public TV programming is just as retarded as private nowadays. BBC is pretty cool tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    cant go anywhere in britain without getting stabbed or without a loicense. just ask ur mate who tried going somewhere
    This loicence thing is all very funny and all, but sadly it's not very true. I mean, I have a driving licence, and that's all. And I've never been stabbed.
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    But you have been raped in the baby, if I remember correctly?
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    But you have been raped in the baby, if I remember correctly?
    No. I try to avoid mosques for this very reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This loicence thing is all very funny and all, but sadly it's not very true. I mean, I have a driving licence, and that's all. And I've never been stabbed.
    Oi mate, ya 'ave a loicense fer that droiver's loicense?
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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/us/be...rnd/index.html

    "We are saddened that the Crutcher Family has not been given time to heal, and we want to continue to show our gratitude and respect for this wonderful family."
    The Crutcher family probably wouldn't know shit about this if you hadn't opened your opportunistic demagogue mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Oi mate, ya 'ave a loicense fer that droiver's loicense?
    This is wot happens when you don't have yer loicense, mate!

  55. #1780
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45395086

    Moderate Malaysia. This is what Islam apologists support with their incessant accusations of racism at anyone who dares criticise Islam. This isn't Islamic State territory, this isn't a nation that has a problem with Islamic extremism. This is Malaysia, supposedly moderate.

    Why do I have to accept this? Why is it not ok for me to say... Islam belongs in the fucking past?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Why do I have to accept this?
    You don't.

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    Why is it not ok for me to say... Islam belongs in the fucking past?
    Because that's blaming billions of people for what less than billions of people have done which you do not accept.
  58. #1783
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Because that's blaming billions of people for what less than billions of people have done.
    Hundreds of millions isn't enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Hundreds of millions isn't enough?
    Being opposed to and speaking out against people whom perpetrate atrocities is A-OK.
    Being opposed to and speaking out against people whom remind you of other people whom perpetrate atrocities is bigotry.
  60. #1785
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Being opposed to and speaking out against people whom perpetrate atrocities is A-OK.
    Being opposed to and speaking out against people whom remind you of other people whom perpetrate atrocities is bigotry.
    How many of the first group does it take before it becomes incumbent on the second group to stop them? Is hundreds of millions enough?

    And what does it say about the second group if they are indifferent to the first group?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    And what does it say about the second group if they are indifferent to the first group?
    Are they?

    As gesture of solidarity with the country's Coptic Christian minority, Egyptian Muslims showed up at churches on the eve of the Coptic Christmas on 6 January 2011 during mass service forming a "human shield" against any possible further attacks. In the days before the mass, Muslims and Copts joined together in a show of solidarity that included street protests, rallies, and widespread Facebook unity campaigns calling for an "Egypt for All". In Lebanon, separate condemnations came from the Sunni Mufti of the Republic Mohammad Qabbani and Deputy Head of the Shiite Supreme Council Abdul Amir Qabalan. Hamas has also condemned the bombing in Alexandria, assigning the blame to hidden hands that do not wish well for Egypt and its Muslim and Christian people and seek to inflame sectarian strife. Hamas in its statement sent condolences to Egypt and the victims' families, and hoped that facts would be disclosed the soonest and that those responsible would be brought to justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Are they?
    Yes. I'm not falling for your smokescreen.

    sure, it's nice that some muslims stopped some christians from being bullied. But ask those exact same muslims what should happen to any one of them who deigns to leave the muslim faith.....and two thirds of them will tell you "death".

    That's a problem. It kinda debunks the idea that there are 'moderate' muslims outside of the west.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How many of the first group does it take before it becomes incumbent on the second group to stop them?
    There is never a justified reason to blame someone for something they did not do, no matter how much they remind you of the people whom do blame-worthy things.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Is hundreds of millions enough?
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    And what does it say about the second group if they are indifferent to the first group?
    Nothing more than that they share some, but not all, of the beliefs of the offending group.

    I am not responsible for the things other people do. No matter how much I remind you of them, I am not them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Yes. I'm not falling for your smokescreen data illustrating that this oppression is from only some Muslims whom interpret Islam in such a way as to promote violence.
    FYP

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    sure, it's nice that some muslims stopped some christians from being bullied. But ask those exact same muslims what should happen to any one of them who deigns to leave the muslim faith.....and two thirds of them will tell you "death".
    There's no -ism to believe someone should die. It's bigotry to deny them rights and access to services while they're alive.
    No one's saying you have to like people.
    What you believe is not a problem. How you act on what you believe is potentially the problem.

    There is a professor on campus whom openly says things like he thinks women don't make as good of scientists as men do. He's open in this belief. That's not sexism. Sexism would be if he treated his female students or colleagues in a manner which is different to the way he treats the males. He's whip smart, kinda like you sometimes show, and he knows exactly where that line is. He seems to get some perverse pleasure over rubbing it people's faces that he's free to say women are less than men, so long as his actions don't show his bias.

    That's the line. Saying you hate Islam is fine. Saying that it's therefore appropriate to treat Muslims with a different level of human dignity is a totally different issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    That's a problem. It kinda debunks the idea that there are 'moderate' muslims outside of the west.
    It's not a problem except that you can't seem to understand that if a Missourian commits a crime, that is not a condemnation of all Missourians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    There's no -ism to believe someone should die.
    Pew research polls indicate that two thirds of muslims in Egypt believe that execution is the appropriate punishment for an apostate.

    Is that not alarming to you?

    What about the frequency with which so-called 'moderate' muslims support death penalties for adulterers and homosexuals? Go google the polls man. Find out how many peace-loving muslims feel that deadly attacks against civilians (e.g. bombs) are an acceptable form of political speech.

    A shitload of people hold some really fucking dangerous beliefs. That's a problem, is it not?

    You seem to be suggesting that Islam, the institution, is somehow totally in the clear because the frequency of these beliefs is less than 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    It's not a problem except that you can't seem to understand that if a Missourian commits a crime, that is not a condemnation of all Missourians.
    Inappropriate analogy. Here's a better one....

    Imagine a series of letter bombs are found or go off 25 cities nationwide. All of the bombs have post marks originating from Missouri.

    Where should you start looking for the bomber?
  67. #1792
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Nothing more than that they share some, but not all, of the beliefs of the offending group.

    I am not responsible for the things other people do. No matter how much I remind you of them, I am not them.
    You seem to be shockingly ignorant of the threat posed by a dangerous ideology.

    That's concerning.

    EDIT: It's also really concerning that you're a scientist and you referred to an anecdote, one that contained a press release from fucking HAMAS, as "data".
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  68. #1793
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    That's the line. Saying you hate Islam is fine. Saying that it's therefore appropriate to treat Muslims with a different level of human dignity is a totally different issue.
    I'm not sure if we agree here.

    Do you consider treating someone like a dangerous enemy as being "a different level of human dignity".
  69. #1794
    Another example of the low IQ person ignoring the crux of the argument.

    dumbana, his point is that you can't hold the group responsible for the behaviour of members of the group.

    It's like when Trump goes to jail, should all of his Kool-Aid followers go to jail too?

    It's really that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    dumbana, his point is that you can't hold the group responsible for the behaviour of members of the group.
    His point is WRONG. You absolutely can hold the group responsible.

    There are three kinds of muslims
    A) the kind that bomb civilians
    B) The kind that don't bomb civilians but think it's fine if someone else does
    C) The kind that don't bomb civilians because they think it's wrong every single time.

    Group B is by far the largest. Groups A and B combined represent a STAGGERING majority of muslims worldwide. Group C, outside of the US and Britain, are squarely in the minority.

    I hold group B responsible for group A's actions. By tolerating bad actors, they enable their behavior. And that's how I feel it's appropriate to hold the entire group responsible for the actions of group A
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Inappropriate analogy. Here's a better one....

    Imagine a series of letter bombs are found or go off 25 cities nationwide. All of the bombs have post marks originating from Missouri.

    Where should you start looking for the bomber?
    This is a non-sequitur.
    Looking for the individual(s) responsible in a place where you have reason to believe they may be found is a totally different thing than assigning guilt to everyone whom meets some similarity to the letter-bomber, in this case all Missourians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    EDIT: It's also really concerning that you're a scientist and you referred to an anecdote, one that contained a press release from fucking HAMAS, as "data".
    Pure ad hominem.
    You're denying the veracity of the data based on the source, not the data.
  73. #1798
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Pure ad hominem.
    You're denying the veracity of the data based on the source, not the data.
    You keep saying data....which is a plural noun. You should be using the singular form of the word, which is "anecdote"

    Also, if the source is a known source of propaganda (cuz data), then how are you differentiating between data and propaganda?

    I mean, don't you think it's a little odd that Hamas is so sure that the crime was caused by "hidden hands", and also seems to know an awful lot about the agenda and motives of the perpetrators? They could have just said "Sorry this happened, but we didn't do it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    This is a non-sequitur.
    Looking for the individual(s) responsible in a place where you have reason to believe they may be found is a totally different thing than assigning guilt to everyone whom meets some similarity to the letter-bomber, in this case all Missourians.
    Actually it's totally sequitur.

    The bad actors have a motive for their bad actions. That motivation is responsible for their bad actions. The motivation is always the same, and always comes from the same ideology. So it's totally sequitur to look for the harmful motivation in a place where I have reason to believe that it may be found. That is....within the ideology that motivated the bad actions.
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    Serendipity

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/05...t-muslims.html

    The posters are clearly targeting Group A.

    Groups B & C are not participating in the denouncement of Group A. Instead, they think that Group A should be left alone because whatever they are doing is apparently far less dangerous than what might happen if someone in Group B/C gets a bad rap.

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