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  1. #826
    There's only so many revenge movies about the guy's kids or wife you can make. So someone decided it was time for a dog one.

    Hollywood has not had a good revenge movie since Unforgiven imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No, the premise is entirely silly.

    Lots of people have all kinds of sentimental attachments to pets that die. I've never heard of one going on a vengeful murderous rampage over it.
    Guess what, the dude is like the most notorious contract killer so there is that. Also happens that the dude that killed his dog and took his car is the son of one of his former employers.

    Everyone knew he was out of the game. Even the dogkiller. Everyone knew he was the baddest ass of all badasses. Even the dogkiller. What they did not know the details of was WHY he was out of the game: turns out it was for love of his wife. The dog symbolizes all that

    Now dogkiller apparently wanted to curry favor with his dad, by doing some disrespect shit (steal car, kill dog) against the most notorious ck of all.

    Results were unexpected for him , yet entirely logical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Hollywood has not had a good revenge movie since Unforgiven imo.
    One of the best of any genre.
  4. #829
    John Wick is refreshing in an industry awash with unoriginal, unimaginative rehashes.

    I always liked that it was about his dog. Why does everything have to be so important? Can't a hero just kill bad guys because he loves his dog?

    Pure actions are supposed to be silly like that. Rambo is supposed to kill near the entire country of Burma just to save some foolish missionaries. God I love that movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No, the premise is entirely silly.

    Lots of people have all kinds of sentimental attachments to pets that die. I've never heard of one going on a vengeful murderous rampage over it.
    We may still disagree about whether or not John Wick had substance that these other movies lacked, but I do agree that Jack was looking in the wrong place.

    This video I think does a really good job of explaining why ostensibly similar movies with similar production values, narrative arcs, and dialogue can be so substantively different.

    https://youtu.be/pT75YHqlD9k

    I think the reason John Wick became such a cult hit is because it marries parody or burlesque with a love for not just the genre but the craft of the spectacle of the genre. So while the entire story is sort of tongue in cheek mocking the motivations of action heroes and villains, and maybe more importantly the leaps a script needs to make to string action sequences together, when John Wick actually gets to the action sequences, it takes them very seriously and executes them flawlessly. The sequel lost some of it's charm, not because it dropped the ball with the action, but because it felt like it lost some of it's self awareness and started to take its dramatic sequences, world building, and plot too seriously.
  6. #831
    Wuf, I fucking love 2008 Rambo too-- but I think the reason it works lines up with the above linked video's break down of the life cycle of genres. I think of both Rambo and John Wick as sorts of ingenious subtle parody-- people who just want to tune in for a shoot em up get what they want, and those who are immersed the genre pick up on the mostly (maybe exclusively in Rambo 2008's case) dry delivery of parody and can enjoy it on that level.

    It reminds me of this Pirates of the Caribbean knock off's production that I read about. It's a little different, in that it relies on multiple cuts to achieve the broad audience satisfaction, but the gyst is the same-- They intentionally filmed the movie so that it could be cut as a PG after school made for TV episodic kid's show, a Cinemax softcore, and a budget theatrical opener for Asian and South American audiences. In this example, the love for the genre is absent, but the ingenuity is similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Guess what, the dude is like the most notorious contract killer .......the baddest ass of all badasses
    Does not compute. You can't be "the baddest of all badasses" and then act like a fairy with no balls when your puppy dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I think the reason John Wick became such a cult hit is because it marries parody or burlesque with a love for not just the genre but the craft of the spectacle of the genre.
    This makes more sense to me.

    And if that's your thing.....Tango & Cash for the win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Does not compute. You can't be "the baddest of all badasses" and then act like a fairy with no balls when your puppy dies.
    You can if this is making a mockery of genre tropes in which we have cold blooded killers who otherwise behave like well adjusted, psychologically healthy humans, raising families by day and killing dozens of "bad guys" by night-- many of which are undoubtedly family men themselves.
  10. #835
    A film that I think highlights this point I'm making: The Raid. I wanted to love this movie. It takes the craft of action movie sequences very seriously, and does not fail to deliver. However, it also takes itself far too seriously. It is not self aware. And so, I found that while the action sequences were great, I found myself wishing I just had a super cut of all the action sequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Wuf, I fucking love 2008 Rambo too-- but I think the reason it works lines up with the above linked video's break down of the life cycle of genres. I think of both Rambo and John Wick as sorts of ingenious subtle parody-- people who just want to tune in for a shoot em up get what they want, and those who are immersed the genre pick up on the mostly (maybe exclusively in Rambo 2008's case) dry delivery of parody and can enjoy it on that level.

    It reminds me of this Pirates of the Caribbean knock off's production that I read about. It's a little different, in that it relies on multiple cuts to achieve the broad audience satisfaction, but the gyst is the same-- They intentionally filmed the movie so that it could be cut as a PG after school made for TV episodic kid's show, a Cinemax softcore, and a budget theatrical opener for Asian and South American audiences. In this example, the love for the genre is absent, but the ingenuity is similar.
    Interesting. I'm not sure what I think of Rambo in these terms.

    My personal adoration for it stems from I love the pure action hero genre, and Rambo is probably the most crisply shot one I know of. Rambo's action movements are so tight that they make me feel like I'm watching a pro-gamer who has replayed the situation ten thousand times and has perfected all possible instances. I just love it.

    Like in the boat scene. The crispness of that struck me as rare in 2008 and when I first saw it I knew the rest of the movie was gonna be amazing. https://youtu.be/Pt2LMPP8wdg?t=107
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    Michael Mann did crisp action in 2004. So good

    https://youtu.be/oEFPcljAXgs?t=54
  13. #838
    Haven't seen The Raid. I've probably avoided it because I try to avoid hand-to-hand combat movies. I know enough about real combat that all of Hollywood's silliness with hand-to-hand pulls me out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Does not compute. You can't be "the baddest of all badasses" and then act like a fairy with no balls when your puppy dies.
    A fairy without balls goes out and kills everyone in sight. People fear his name throughout the movie, Voldemort style. Yeah, you are right on the money!
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    Unforgiven was pretty openly mocking westerns (guns not working properly, the anti-hero always having trouble getting on his horse, people pissing their pants in gunfights), but close enough in terms of themes that it could still be seen as an archetypal western itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    A fairy without balls goes out and kills everyone in sight. People fear his name throughout the movie, Voldemort style. Yeah, you are right on the money!
    The point is his rampage is a vengeful, ill-advised, self-indulgent emotional outburst with no material upside.

    These are not the actions of the world's most notorious contract killer.

    You can't be a consummate professional AND a whiny pussy crybaby at the same time. I don't care if you're making fun of movie stereotypes. Eventually you cross a line where you're insulting the intelligence of your audience.

    If your intelligence is not insulted, well.....I'll let you figure out what that means.
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    Actually, crossing that line is precisely one of the most tried and true recipes for successful parody. I think that John Wick, intentionally or not, walks this very fine line so well that it effectively becomes two different movies depending on who's watching it. One is a straight forward, if stylized, shoot em up, and the other is stylized parody. It's not Scary Movie parody, it's just little nudges and winks to the person watching the parody screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    The point is his rampage is a vengeful, ill-advised, self-indulgent emotional outburst with no material upside.

    These are not the actions of the world's most notorious contract killer.

    You can't be a consummate professional AND a whiny pussy crybaby at the same time. I don't care if you're making fun of movie stereotypes. Eventually you cross a line where you're insulting the intelligence of your audience.

    If your intelligence is not insulted, well.....I'll let you figure out what that means.
    The point is you're looking too much into it without actually looking deep into it. You are trying to make sense of something, but not accepting the plain sense it is making. You speak about intelligence to be insulted, but you need intelligence to look at things in a deep manner.

    You miss all points, Banana. John Wick is not a movie for you. I'd say something about Transformers here, but whatever, go watch something else and stop hating on things you do not understand
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Actually, crossing that line is precisely one of the most tried and true recipes for successful parody. I think that John Wick, intentionally or not, walks this very fine line so well that it effectively becomes two different movies depending on who's watching it. One is a straight forward, if stylized, shoot em up, and the other is stylized parody. It's not Scary Movie parody, it's just little nudges and winks to the person watching the parody screen.
    Hmmm, John Wick is self aware, but not to the point of parody is the official line

    I never thought about it in a parody kind of way while watching it, like say e.g. Hot Shots or Top Secret

    Here are the directors on this very subject

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    Yeah, I think either you're forcing parody into too narrow of a lane or I'm applying a definition that's broader than its actual definition. Maybe Burlesque works better. Idk. Also, I know this is a really silly art school critique thing to say, but the artists intentions are not super relevant. You can easily imagine an artist who tweaks genres staples just to stand out in a crowded genre, and accidentally hits all the buttons for the product to be a dry parody. It won't be Mel Brooks parody, because that necessitates intention, but we can get a John Wick.
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    Other good old school actions are Commando, Collateral Damage and True Lies imo
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    Further, if they did intend to have this sort of split screen thing happen, it may not behoove them to announce it openly, thereby insulting a core part of their paying audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Yeah, I think either you're forcing parody into too narrow of a lane or I'm applying a definition that's broader than its actual definition. Maybe Burlesque works better. Idk. Also, I know this is a really silly art school critique thing to say, but the artists intentions are not super relevant. You can easily imagine an artist who tweaks genres staples just to stand out in a crowded genre, and accidentally hits all the buttons for the product to be a dry parody. It won't be Mel Brooks parody, because that necessitates intention, but we can get a John Wick.
    You're saying that the movie was sooooo bad, that they retro-actively called it a parody so as not to look ridiculous and stupid for making a terrible movie.

    JUST BUY A NEW FUCKING DOG KEANU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Yeah, I think either you're forcing parody into too narrow of a lane or I'm applying a definition that's broader than its actual definition. Maybe Burlesque works better. Idk. Also, I know this is a really silly art school critique thing to say, but the artists intentions are not super relevant. You can easily imagine an artist who tweaks genres staples just to stand out in a crowded genre, and accidentally hits all the buttons for the product to be a dry parody. It won't be Mel Brooks parody, because that necessitates intention, but we can get a John Wick.
    And now I can agree with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You're saying that the movie was sooooo bad, that they retro-actively called it a parody so as not to look ridiculous and stupid for making a terrible movie.

    JUST BUY A NEW FUCKING DOG KEANU!
    Haha..

    No, I'm saying that artists don't always intend at the set out to make what they end up making. Sometimes they aren't even aware with what it is they've made. Some of that can be due to their being tied to their original vision, and some of it is due to the fact that we all interpret things through our own lens and seemingly even differently through the collective lens that mass media is consumed through. That is further compounded by the fact that movie making is a collective endeavor, and so the marketing department may see something that what we think more classically as the artists involved didn't see. Hell, depending on the director, the studio can get their hands on the footage and edit together a completely different movie than the director intended.

    edit: further, I'm proposing a possible path for how we can get John Wick, a dry parody. I'm not arguing this is how it happened.
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    It's of note how money does not indicate shit when it comes to movies. The Usual Suspects is or should be on the top 100 lists of most people, if not top 10 of all time, but it only made like 30 mil at the box office

    And then you have Transformers, made $600 mil + and it's a hot and steaming pile of shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    You certainly have a style. I wonder how to describe it. Raw, industrial, dystopian, technological, channeling the 80s.
    I could be smug about it, but I just like anything set in the future. I would add dystopian but that's pretty much a given.
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    Big fan of Firefly then?
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    Firefly could have been one of the greatest serial sci-fi shows of the decade if the network hadn't screwed over the writers and fans alike.

    The show was written as a serial - each episode affects future episodes, unlike Star Trek or almost any sitcom - but the network aired it out of chronological order, obscuring the plot to the point that it didn't seem nearly as well-written as it was.

    It's probably more complicated than that.

    At any rate, cowboys in space is a brilliant plot device, and we need more of it.
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    Completely agree. Firefly is my all time favorite show.
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    My reading of John Wick is that he snapped and had nothing to live for. Based on that premise, I like it.
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    Lost in paris (paris pieds nus) is a good little film. One can see it has been heavily influenced by wes anderson's work. Recommended
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    A Ghost Story
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    Just saw today Michael Nyqvist, who played among many roles as Mikael Blomkvist in the swedish "the girl who ..." series, passed away a while ago. RIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Just saw today Michael Nyqvist, who played among many roles as Mikael Blomkvist in the swedish "the girl who ..." series, passed away a while ago. RIP
    Jeeezus man you love dog-crap stories huh?

    He finally finds the missing girl, she's created an entirely new life, a family, and a family business......then she just walks away from it cause uncle whatz-hiz-face needs some business advice?

    did you read the book? It's 400 pages of this guy sitting in a shithole cabin and staring at a fucking picture. And then three times a chapter you get about six full pages of this man going to the grocery store, buying coffee, then bringing it home. Brilliant.
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    I cracked open the second book one time. Basically the dragon tattoo girl went to a bank or something looking like a vagrant and doing everything she can to dress like and act like a piece of human garbage. The people there scoffed and either didn't take her business, or didn't offer her a job, or otherwise rebuffed her in some way I don't give a fuck to remember.

    Then she went home and pulled out her lappy-toppy, and Penny-from-Inspector-gadget-style proceeds to hack this guy's bank account and ruin his life. All cause she was insulted.

    This was considered a protagonist during the Obama years.

    I gave up on the series right there. I don't know what happens in the 2nd and 3rd books, but I like to think that the girl with the dragon tattoo ends up DVDA raped at a nazi truckstop
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    Watched a couple decent movies recently.
    It Comes At Night is really fucking heavy. If you liked The Road you're going to like this.
    The Blackcoats Daughter is a really nice throwback horror movie. Very reminiscent of The Exorcist.
    Gerald's Game - probably the best Stephen King adaptation since Misery. Very much an actors movie. A couple reasons I wouldn't really recommend it... there's some child abuse I had to fast forward through. That was really fucking uncomfortable. It has one of the most effective gore scenes I've ever seen - Not a good movie to watch with a significant other. And it feels like a 3h movie they cut down to 90min. Which could be a good or a bad thing

    Finally caved in and watched The Room in full after reading The Disaster Artist. It really is a masterpiece. I've sat through an entire Ed Wood retrospective at one point, but this is on a whole new level. I also recommend the book even tho 50% of it is filler, but it's quality filler.

    But above all A Ghost Story. I didn't think I'd ever see a movie that makes sense in 4:3. Outstanding cinematography.
    If you don't like slow moving artsy movies, strike all of the above, except The Room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I cracked open the second book one time. Basically the dragon tattoo girl went to a bank or something looking like a vagrant and doing everything she can to dress like and act like a piece of human garbage. The people there scoffed and either didn't take her business, or didn't offer her a job, or otherwise rebuffed her in some way I don't give a fuck to remember.

    Then she went home and pulled out her lappy-toppy, and Penny-from-Inspector-gadget-style proceeds to hack this guy's bank account and ruin his life. All cause she was insulted.

    This was considered a protagonist during the Obama years.

    I gave up on the series right there. I don't know what happens in the 2nd and 3rd books, but I like to think that the girl with the dragon tattoo ends up DVDA raped at a nazi truckstop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
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    idk what you're on about. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when Matt Damon dated that ugly woman. It was so funny because he's Matt Damon and she's so old and so ugly! And then he statutory rapes a mentally retarded girl. Comedy doesn't get much better than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    idk what you're on about. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when Matt Damon dated that ugly woman. It was so funny because he's Matt Damon and she's so old and so ugly! And then he statutory rapes a mentally retarded girl. Comedy doesn't get much better than this.
    you no review movie good

    I did crack up when the asian lady started going on about different types of fuck.
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    BMX Bandits.

    Just watched this with a friend who found it in some discount bin. It's hilariously campy and stars Nicole Kidman. So you know it's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    you no review movie good

    I did crack up when the asian lady started going on about different types of fuck.
    I started to cringe in advance when they all left on the boat and I realized that our protagonist doesn't have a love interest, but you need one in those types of movies, so it has to be the asian girl doing her best Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's impression.
    My theory is that this was never meant to be a comedy, but some producer got it in his head that this will only sell as a comedy. So they punched up the script as much as they could and directed the actors to act as over the top as they could. I think both Matt Damon and the girl that played asian-love-interest both understood what this was going to be during filming. MD looked like he was completely out for lunch for half his scenes and asian girl decided she's going to be the band on the deck of the titanic. At some level I enjoyed the movie, but I felt bad for the author. I think the story had great potential.
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    This is seriously fantastic.

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