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  1. #601
    I don't like this at all
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    Me neither. While it's surely gonna create some interesting matchups especially at HW and LW, I'm sure a shitton of fighters will be canned. I wonder if UFC will start a women's division or 2. Jacare-Silva might be fun. Sengoku also going bust, I wonder when Dream will die. Pathetic. I need more beer.

    Also, wuf, stop hypnotizing people with you gifs. Very rude.
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  4. #604
    The only good thing about this that it will allow for consensus top contender/champion fights, but that's not really that important

    Everything else is awful.
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    jose canseco vs brett rogers amirite
  6. #606
    Nothing will change for awhile until contracts/TV deal is up. Then expect to see strikeforces top talent jump over.

    edit* And the UFC won't start a womens division, Dana dislikes womens MMA and is correct when he says you can put a match up randomly that may be good but the divisions are too small with lack of talent.
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    Post on the UG. Classic. If you can't guess what movie this is from you should probably just jump off a cliff right now



    Dana White: Josh Barnett.
    Lorenzo Fertitta: Who's he?
    Frank J. Fertitta: You know,doughy looking guy, gets caught juicing a lot.
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    Alistair Overeem: You're gonna cut Fedor and Daley?
    Dana White: Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level fighters, farm some work out to TUF, that's the usual deal.
    Frank J. Fertitta: Standard operating procedure.
    Alistair Overeem: Do they know this yet?
    Dana White: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to cut people on a Friday after a loss. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.

    Josh Barnett: Mr. Silva told me to talk to Dana and then Dana told me to talk to Mr. Silva and I still haven't been booked for another fight and he took my PED's and he never brought them back and then they moved my fight to the un-televised undercard and there was water on the mat....
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    What movie is that from?
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  10. #610
    Fertitta fucked her
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    Don't know what to say about this card. Haven't been the mood to predict lately. It is a fantastic card though

    Already said my piece on Shogun Bones. Only other thing is that Zuffa loves Bones and are planning on turning him into the first MMA borne American superstar. If Shogun pounds him I will likely argue he's the greatest fighter to ever live.

    Haven't looked at Wineland at all, but Faber is about as talented as they come. I get the feeling that his reign was partially similar to Fedor's, i.e. shit gonna pass him up. It wouldn't be neeeeearly as pronounced though because he still is a tip top guy by any means

    Schaub gonna smash Crocop. Crocop was one of my favorites until he started repeating the same stupid mistakes, but I don't think Schaub is champ material. He's probably more like a Lytle than a champ

    Don't care about the Millers. One will probably win, Marquardt will probably beat the other. Curiously, it's probably a tougher fight than Akiyama would have been, but that's because I think Teh Sex isn't even near top ten
  14. #614
    Faber looked good, but Jones......oh. my. god. Fucking DESTROYED Shogun. My first live experience with him and he was impressive.

    Thing I took note of, he looked like he should be playing in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament somewhere, or in the NBA. Had a conversation with my neighbor while watching the fight--imagine what the UFC is going to become now that it has had mainstream exposure for some time now. Imagine kids growing up with this in their face, on TV all the time, places for little kids to work out, etc. I'm not the first one to say this but I'm sure you'll see more kids just like Jones coming up the ranks.......UFC is going to be fun.


  15. #615
    Bones wins by being anatomically and athletically superior

    How surprising

    He's gonna push Rashad's shit in, maybe defend once or twice more, but then have to vacate and move up. After less than a year of trying to put on weight, he'll be as big as Overeem, and equally as dangerous. At Bones' peak, the only white guys who could beat him will be guys with genes like Karelin
  16. #616
    Apparently Lorenzo is on twitter asking people if they wanna see Bones vs Anderson

    Which I honestly love. Because I hate them both. Silva because he's a nuisance liar whom everybody says is the best in the world (but he's not), and Bones because he's a spoonfed pretty boy. I'd be happy with either of them losing. Actually, if Silva beat Bones then he would without a doubt be the GOAT, and I wouldn't hate him so much. And really the only LHW fight I want to see Bones in is vs Silva. He just needs to move up to HW where he belongs. Weight classes exist for a reason, and everybody in boxing duck the fuck out of people with physical advantages for a reason

    Actually, weight classes shouldn't exist, but height classes. Much more fair and exciting.
  17. #617
    I don't get how you could hate Jones. He's easily been my favorite fighter (along with Clay Guida) as long as I've been watching him.

    You can't hold it against him that he's a freakish athlete. He's got a good attitude. I haven't seen him pull any egotistical asshole shit so many guys with his natural ability do.

    And most importantly, EVERY FIGHT IS EXCITING! I would like to see him fight someone who could make it close, but it's impressive to see someone so good that he can make other good fighters look like beginners.

    I also love watching guys with amazing potential actually meet expectations. Maybe it's from being a Mariner fan, but I'm so sick of watching athlete's who are supposed to be something special become something you wish you could forget.

    I actually thought that he should have had to fight a Machida/Evans sort before getting the title shot, but he showed he was clearly ready.

    I do agree about him moving up to HW, I can't wait to see it happen. I think he'll be the champ there too, but it'll be good to see him up against some other really big guys.

    The idea of height classes is interesting. I think I might like that.
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    omg jones should be playing basketball b/c he's tall and black

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    Card went as predicted minus bones/shogun
    At first I thought Shogun was horribly gassed but he just got fucked when he was standing up vs the cage, and never recovered. Though idk.
    No leg kicks or anything really, was just 1 sided.

    Think only Machida would be a decent match up for jones, strong in the clinch, decent of his back and decent TDD and is better at jumping in and out which is needed when you gotta get past those 50 foot arms of bones.

    Don't think Rashad has anything to offer bones, Rampage has a punchers chance, can't see thiago silva or anybody else posing a threat.

    Guess gotta wait for Phil Davis and hope to god they don't wear the same coloured shorts. (hop on racist bandwagon ldo)
  21. #621
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I don't get how you could hate Jones. He's easily been my favorite fighter (along with Clay Guida) as long as I've been watching him.

    You can't hold it against him that he's a freakish athlete. He's got a good attitude. I haven't seen him pull any egotistical asshole shit so many guys with his natural ability do.

    And most importantly, EVERY FIGHT IS EXCITING! I would like to see him fight someone who could make it close, but it's impressive to see someone so good that he can make other good fighters look like beginners.

    I also love watching guys with amazing potential actually meet expectations. Maybe it's from being a Mariner fan, but I'm so sick of watching athlete's who are supposed to be something special become something you wish you could forget.

    I actually thought that he should have had to fight a Machida/Evans sort before getting the title shot, but he showed he was clearly ready.

    I do agree about him moving up to HW, I can't wait to see it happen. I think he'll be the champ there too, but it'll be good to see him up against some other really big guys.

    The idea of height classes is interesting. I think I might like that.
    I just hate watching guys who are less technically talented beat guys better than them. I hate guys who have it easy because I'm jelly, and I hate guys who say naive shit. I hate guys with huge bandwagons, they always get too big and the fans don't understand why they deserve what bandwagon they have in the first place

    My opinion on fighters isn't altogether reasonable. I need heros and I need heels, so I make them. There's some reason there, but it's too arbitrary to take it too seriously

    Also I tend to not care too much for exciting fights for the purpose of excitement. It's cliche, but I like technical mastery and the whole chess match thing
  22. #622
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke999 View Post
    Card went as predicted minus bones/shogun
    At first I thought Shogun was horribly gassed but he just got fucked when he was standing up vs the cage, and never recovered. Though idk.
    No leg kicks or anything really, was just 1 sided.

    Think only Machida would be a decent match up for jones, strong in the clinch, decent of his back and decent TDD and is better at jumping in and out which is needed when you gotta get past those 50 foot arms of bones.

    Don't think Rashad has anything to offer bones, Rampage has a punchers chance, can't see thiago silva or anybody else posing a threat.

    Guess gotta wait for Phil Davis and hope to god they don't wear the same coloured shorts. (hop on racist bandwagon ldo)
    Honestly, I think he smashes them all. I cannot think of any fighter with more natural ability than Bones. Look at Semmy Schilt. Not as good as some guys he beat, but because he knew how to use his size quite well, he's the most dominant kickboxer ever. Bones is like that, but also disgustingly good at everything. Semmy had problems fighting outside of his comfort zone, Bones does not. Everything is his comfort zone. And he's bigger faster stronger learns better
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Apparently Lorenzo is on twitter asking people if they wanna see Bones vs Anderson

    Which I honestly love. Because I hate them both. Silva because he's a nuisance liar whom everybody says is the best in the world (but he's not), and Bones because he's a spoonfed pretty boy. I'd be happy with either of them losing. Actually, if Silva beat Bones then he would without a doubt be the GOAT, and I wouldn't hate him so much. And really the only LHW fight I want to see Bones in is vs Silva. He just needs to move up to HW where he belongs. Weight classes exist for a reason, and everybody in boxing duck the fuck out of people with physical advantages for a reason

    Actually, weight classes shouldn't exist, but height classes. Much more fair and exciting.
    Why does it have to be fair? Weight classes are already an artificial (but basically necessary) restriction that largely mitigates height advantage, especially relative to other popular american sports like basketball and football.
  24. #624
    I'm not really sure how fair I think it should be, just that's it's awful when it's grossly unfair or too fair. I think we use weight classes because it's what we're used to using. Height classes I think would be a tiny bit more fair, but really would just be more exciting to watch

    I've found that in MMA (possibly all sport, but I only follow this one), you can pick your winner solely based on morphology and be right more often than wrong. This would be obvious without any classes, but I think it would be even less an effect with height instead of weight classes
  25. #625
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Honestly, I think he smashes them all. I cannot think of any fighter with more natural ability than Bones. Look at Semmy Schilt. Not as good as some guys he beat, but because he knew how to use his size quite well, he's the most dominant kickboxer ever. Bones is like that, but also disgustingly good at everything. Semmy had problems fighting outside of his comfort zone, Bones does not. Everything is his comfort zone. And he's bigger faster stronger learns better
    Yeah the reach is just an insane factor. The only thing we don't know is how good he fights off his back, problem is trying to take down somebody who will have 10 inch reach on you and is an amazing wrestler is gonna be almost impossible.
    Shogun was working for several different sweeps in round 1 but Jones base + how long his legs are made it stupidly difficult.

    Think Machida is only one who may not get anihilated but yeah he'll only get better too =/
  26. #626
    Machida will look like Sherk. Shogun couldn't even tag him with lunging forward. I dont think Machida will be any different, even though I wouldn't terribly hate that fight. The LHW I give the best chance to is Gracie. That's a small chance though. He's got a real good clinch, standup will be better than expected (but not in any way that he could brawl), and Bones will take him down because that's how he rolls, which is when Gracie will have a decent chance of outgrappling him

    The person to beat Bones, however, is somebody with equally as good a clinch and can trade in the pocket e.g. Overeem. Junior would be a great fight, but I think he barely loses a decision. Cain would be an amazing fight and he might win it. He'll be able to get right in there and work. Might still lose but it would be awesome. I think Cain and Junior are very similar, but Cain is slightly more active, dynamic, and offensive with grappling. I think a post-Lactimus Prime Carwin can beat anybody via smother. And obviously I have Overeem as numero uno. Bones could beat him though, but Overeem still favorite



    Now that K1 is dead and not paying anybody, why are guys like Ghita, Saki, Spong not doing MMA? I'd wet myself to see K1 vets focus on MMA and crash the HW and LHW party
  27. #627
    So much sigh... Shogun is never good in his first fight back from surgery. He looked slow and old but proved he's got pretty insane heart and a chin.

    Bones looked like a heavyweight in there. I think Shogun right after his Pride win and pre-knee surgeries probably would have stood a better chance last night than 29 year old Shogun. Being a fearless young wonder kid is a pretty massive edge. I really hope Jones and Evans do fight just so I can see see Evans get murdered. It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next few years but I agree it's gonna be hard for anyone to take Jones' belt any time soon. Height classes is kind of an interesting concept but Faber was clearly shorter than Wineland and did just fine.
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    I've been thinking a little about height instead of weight classes and it's certainly an interesting idea and one that I had thought about before but immediately rejecting it. I'm not really sure why.. maybe it's the history/familiarity with weight classes. In any case, I can think of 3 legit reasons off the top of my head why height classes would be a bad idea:

    1. There would be no real incentive to be lean or to cut weight or anything. I think part of the appeal of the sport is having guys in terrific shape who are capable of doing amazing things for their size/weight. Take away the weight classes and it's really bulk up or gtfo.

    2. Another part of the appeal of the current weight system is that there is a clear cut top division (i.e. heavyweight) and to a lesser extent LHW. Speaking soley as a casual fan here, I find that many people (myself included) simply like watching the top guys fight, and again that often means heavyweight and light heavyweight.

    I think you lose that clear-cut top level if you go to height classes. Yes taller fighters in general will be better but there is a certain cutoff once you hit the very tall classes for 2 reasons, 1 is diminishing and eventual decreasing returns, and 2 is that there would simply be a smaller talent pool

    3. Finally, I can't fathom how unpopular and boring the lower heights would be, especially considering point #1. Granted, I think lower weight classes are already far less popular than the heavyweights among casual fans, but I think that would be exacerbated going to height classes.

    I'd be curious to know what the correlation is regarding height and win%.
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    Those are excellent points. I partially disagree with the first point though, as most guys wouldn't look much differently than they do. Types of body mass is largely genetic, and they have to work their asses off. I honestly don't think that somebody like Roy Nelson would have an advantage against any LHW who doesn't cut from walk around/training weight. And then you get guys like Pudzianowski, who no matter how good he could be, he loses to anybody worth anything because there's no possible way he doesn't gas out to shit with all that muscle

    Just look at Brock. In the latest photo, he doesn't even look any bigger than Junior. I think he's lost a bunch of weight since he started. There are MMA phenotypes

    Personally, I absolutely hated watching Cruz vs Benavidez because Benavidez was simply anatomically inferior. But you know, even if you do height classes, you gotta do them right. For example, how would you figure out Cruz 5'8, Faber 5'6, Benavidez 5'4? Anatomically, I think Benavidez is inferior to Cruz, but not Faber, and Faber isn't inferior to Cruz. And then you can get up to really tall guys like Struve, and I don't think they're any superior to the 6'5 type, given how human bodies work

    Maybe weight classes are the best, and guys just gotta learn how to train to beat the different anatomies/skillsets. Maybe somebody like a young and fast Hendo/Couture could beat Bones. Maybe the real problem is just one of lean mass. Bones probably had like ten to twenty pounds extra lean mass on Shogun. And by all means, Shogun is old guard. Not so much that he's been fighting a long time, but that his biggest matches involve less evolved eras/talents/phenotypes of the sport. Which is one reason I wanted him to win so badly. I hope MMA to be such a technically important sport that you couldn't simply pick the more athletically talented guy and be right most of the time
  30. #630
    Actually, I like the Bones/Rashad fight. Never been a big fan of Rashad, mainly because in my scoring system, he lost to both Thiago Silva and Rampage, but he says he knows exactly how to fight Bones because he's trained with him so much.

    One of Rashad's takedown setups on Rampage was the most beautiful I've seen to date. Blistering three punch combo perfectly into a clinch/double that he got incredibly easily, but still would have gotten if hard. Rashad's got fast hands, and he seems to try to imitate GSP in ways like focusing on wrestling domination. He may actually be able to control the pocket and clinch against Bones

    Also, I had Rashad beating Shogun too, even though I didn't like that either
  31. #631
    UFC 128 Video: Jon Jones Recounts How He Stopped Robbery on Fight Day -- MMA Fighting

    I might have to get over my Bones hate. I dunno. He's cool enough, but also too cool. I have haterade coursing through my veins, and I just gotta let it out on some. There's no rhyme or reason for why I hate Bones yet love Herschel Walker, or why I hate Britney Silva yet love Hero Sonnen. I try to hate GSP, but if you hate him, you gotta check yourself because he's basically everything anybody wishes they were. Doesn't take shit, always tries to make the right choices, always optimistic. It's enviable. Too enviable, so I must hate him. Not even much reason for why I should hate Silva anymore. I started hating him because of the salsa dancing Maia fight, but his last two fights he did the opposite and brought it. And his shit with Seagal also pisses me off, but that could just be because I don't find it funny, whereas I adore Chael because his trolling is hilarious

    I think maybe I should just focus all my energies on hatin Cup Cheick Kongo and Michael Spitsping. And probably Swock Chestnar
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    Wuf, do you have any good sites related to MMA fighter and technical discussion? I watch most of the events but I don't really have much of an idea as to whats going on (especially scoring) beyond what's obvious. I really don't know much about the fighting styles either, outside of wrestling and boxing both of which I've done to a very limited extent.
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    I don't have any good sites. I only use MMA Ungerground, Sherdog, and MMAWeekly. Part of the time, you can find excellent stuff, but most of the time it's a bunch of trolls and retards. They do have technique forums, but I never go there. You can discuss MMA there, but it's much harder than you'd think since sports fans are almost always egocentric blowhards

    Underground is a weird site. It's a mixture of awesome and suck. Every pro and high level enthusiast reads and sometimes posts there, but so does every 12 year old redneck

    And I like watching the gracie breakdowns when they get new ones

    YouTube - UFC 126 Jones vs Bader & Rocha vs Ellenberger (Gracie Breakdown)
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  34. #634
    Guy makes some good points about Machida. If he smashes Randy and somebody else, then I'm quite intrigued with him and Bones going at it

    4 reasons why Machida will BEAT Jones (GIFs) - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums
  35. #635
    After watching the fight again, that first knee hit shogun clean and would have dropped many people, starting a fight off with a huge hit like that is never good, he was doing fine on the ground til he got raped standing up.

    During the fight I noticed Jones seemed gassed in round 2, and just thought he was being cautious and toying with Shogun, but his trainers said he was extremley fatigued in round 2 and managed to pull through it luckily.

    Shogun not getting instantly hit with a huge knee and pressuring Jones could have been a whole different round 2, but thats just the variance in stand up.

    We haven't seen Jones off his back as I've said before, if Rashad can be very active and keep Jones on his back we might see Jones tired and vulnerable, but getting inside his reach and the fact he is a great wrestler himself is not gonna be easy.

    Which is why i think clinch and dirty boxing vs cage would be the best way and Machida is extremley strong and excels in that area, and is very active and sick on the ground.
  36. #636
    Yeah I'm starting to get the impression that Rashad could take this

    He's probably done well in training with Bones in getting takedowns and armbars and such
  37. #637
    Shoguns first statement since fight and he said Jones hits very hard and he never recovered off that first knee (which is obvious at how slow and sloppy he was) but the fact he was in zombie mode for most the fight and still did fine on the ground in round 1 and tried for leg locks says a lot.
    Just MMAvariance really, if that knee missed, Shogun did a few leg kicks and maybe landed couple of average shots, think how he might have capitialised when Jones gassed in round 2.

    Wish there was a "run it 1000" times button so could see the general picture from fights
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    omg Hero Sonnen flew out to the 209 to help teach Jake retard strength



    Can't wait for that fight. Jake looks nice and roided up, so he'll be able to match GSP in that department. Jake winning would be amazing fun, shaking up the division, pumping up my boy Condit for his shitle tot after he smashes BJ, and stopping all them clowns whining about how GSP should vacate and move up
  41. #641
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    omg Hero Sonnen flew out to the 209 to help teach Jake retard strength



    Can't wait for that fight. Jake looks nice and roided up, so he'll be able to match GSP in that department. Jake winning would be amazing fun, shaking up the division, pumping up my boy Condit for his shitle tot after he smashes BJ, and stopping all them clowns whining about how GSP should vacate and move up
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    RE: GSP. Jake Shields is dead. GSP is one of the worst matchups for him possible. And GSP has a problem finishing guys because he's not a risk taker. He wants to win fights as "correctly" as he can, which means that he'll do things like jab n jog Koscheck. Because that's the best exploitation he could get. Generally speaking, you have to open yourself up in order to get power behind finishes, and generally GSP will revert to out-pointing before opening himself up.
    ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    omg Hero Sonnen flew out to the 209 to help teach Jake retard strength



    Can't wait for that fight. Jake looks nice and roided up, so he'll be able to match GSP in that department. Jake winning would be amazing fun, shaking up the division, pumping up my boy Condit for his shitle tot after he smashes BJ, and stopping all them clowns whining about how GSP should vacate and move up
    wtf they're holding hands
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    lol I didn't notice the hand holding. I think it's a shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    ok
    I didn't actually contradict myself. If Jake wins this it will be because his grappling is beyond phenomenal. He IS a big stylistic disadvantage, but if he submits Georges, I'll be saying he has the best grappling in all MMA

    It's a lock for GSP because of what Jake has to do to win, but it's not a lock for GSP because of how good Jake is at that one thing he has to do.
  44. #644
    Original. No handsies with Jakey Poo

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    Him and Mikey Spitsping better be coaches on the next TUF

  45. #645
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    lol I didn't notice the hand holding. I think it's a shop.



    I didn't actually contradict myself. If Jake wins this it will be because his grappling is beyond phenomenal. He IS a big stylistic disadvantage, but if he submits Georges, I'll be saying he has the best grappling in all MMA

    It's a lock for GSP because of what Jake has to do to win, but it's not a lock for GSP because of how good Jake is at that one thing he has to do.
    danaher has probably memorized every move from every shields match since shields was in high school. as good as Shields' ground game is, GSP wins this won imo. i love bjj though, so if shields can takedown->mount->back-> rnc, i'm all for that too.

    that shogun fight was so disappointing. it made sense after seeing that first round knee in slo-mo, but watching shogun go for those heelhooks from the back was just traumatizing.
  46. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Honestly, I think he smashes them all. I cannot think of any fighter with more natural ability than Bones. Look at Semmy Schilt. Not as good as some guys he beat, but because he knew how to use his size quite well, he's the most dominant kickboxer ever. Bones is like that, but also disgustingly good at everything. Semmy had problems fighting outside of his comfort zone, Bones does not. Everything is his comfort zone. And he's bigger faster stronger learns better
    I agree but I've only seen Jone's last two fights. He must learn extremely quickly. I saw a LOT of Anderson Silva's techniques that he was using very effectively. He seems as good as Silva but a lot more aggressive. If anyone wants to beat Jones, they better try it soon because he's rapidly improving. Rashad has a puncher's chance but Jones, like Silva, has great defense and is very elusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayToWin View Post
    I saw a LOT of Steven Seagal's techniques that he was using very effectively.
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    I am pretty damn excited to see Gegard smash Jardine and then Hendo. Sure Lawal was able to lie on top of him for a full 25 minute fight but Gegard is insanely dangerous standing or on his back and he is totally brutal when he smells blood. Seeing him fight JJ would be a treat though it's uncertain how he would deal with the wrestling of JJ. Maybe Zuffa will make it happen after Rashad gets KTFO and Mousassi takes back the Strikeforce belt.
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    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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    Holy fucking shit watching it live I knew that was a horrible stoppage, but fucking christ on rewatch that was easily one of the worst stoppages I've ever seen. Dana must have made it very, very clear to John and the commentators that Daley is the enemy.

    Diaz was probably going to end up winning that fight, but fucking god that stoppage was as corrupt as it gets for Zuffa
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    I must say I am quite pleased with Aoki's performance. It's nice to see a success for a crossover Japanese fighter, but more importantly, LW didn't appear to have an uber submission guy after what Gil did to Aoki. But maybe he's learned and he could provide an awesome dynamic to the wrestle-heavy, striker-happy LW division. One of my favorite things to watch is an expert judo/bjj guy with competent striking/wrestling. Like Roger Gracie, and it appears Aoki might be going down that road too. It's a very tough plan to counter for standard fighters today too

    Every division needs a guy who is so good on the ground that nobody would try to take them down in their right mind. As of now, it looks like HW is now the only one without a guy like that in the top five-ten. Oh and BW, possibly FW too, but those divisions are not nearly as developed yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I must say I am quite pleased with Aoki's performance. It's nice to see a success for a crossover Japanese fighter, but more importantly, LW didn't appear to have an uber submission guy after what Gil did to Aoki. But maybe he's learned and he could provide an awesome dynamic to the wrestle-heavy, striker-happy LW division. One of my favorite things to watch is an expert judo/bjj guy with competent striking/wrestling. Like Roger Gracie, and it appears Aoki might be going down that road too. It's a very tough plan to counter for standard fighters today too

    Every division needs a guy who is so good on the ground that nobody would try to take them down in their right mind. As of now, it looks like HW is now the only one without a guy like that in the top five-ten. Oh and BW, possibly FW too, but those divisions are not nearly as developed yet
    Interesting, but allow me to ask the Q on everyone's mind at the moment

    who is that girl in your sig and, uh, where did that clip come from.
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    maybe its from a movie called year one or something. i figured it was from a porn or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    maybe its from a movie called year one or something. i figured it was from a porn or something
    [ ] satisfactory answer

    anyhow I'm stocked for Apr 30th. going to be such a huge event at Roger's center. Can't help but wonder how shitty the view's going to be for so many of the fans in attendance. Even at larger venues like the Bell Centre it's kind of ridiculous how little you see up in the cheap seats. The building's designed for hockey games - playing surface way larger than the octagon. I can't imagine how bad it'll be for one designed for F'n baseball.
  54. #654
    What I'd like to see

    Machida headkick KO Handy

    Hominick left hook KO Aldo, Condit style

    Shields hammerlock GSP
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    Confirmed from movie Year One with Jack Black and that skinny douche (not McLovin) from Superbad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roid_Rage View Post
    Confirmed from movie Year One with Jack Black and that skinny douche (not McLovin) from Superbad.
    meh, I guess the set / costume design was too good to be from a porn anyway
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    Cave man porn... now there's an untapped niche!
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    more like untapped bitch amirite
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    speaking of bitches, who else celebrated when cyborg crushed carano's soul
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    this guy
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    Primetime was great, French Robot shaking in his boots IMO. I sooooo wanna see the upset

    Wait actually I don't because I would rather see Diaz vs GSP down the road. Jake really could pull it off though. He works at least as hard as GSP, and what it's going to boil down to is if and how much of a better wrestler he is. While GSP does have great wrestling, I don't think it's what everybody else thinks. I feel like if Chael moved down to WW he would run through GSP
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    Pretty great look at what the ability to take a punch really is

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    Kinda want to put money on shields after seeing the Primetime tbh.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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    lol shields

    also i had a funny captcha earlier i need to share:

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    He's coming Georgie Poo. He's coming

  67. #667
    didn't know GSP had the jungle fever...
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    Man Honkey Kong is such an awful coach. Also a retard. I mean I knew he was stupid, but he might even be on Palin's level of dumbass

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    lol just watched Shields vs Hendo again, and daaaaaamn I must have been too drunk to notice how bad Jake's striking was. I knew it was crummy, but broken back Hendo landed every single punch. Not to mention that Mayhem subbed Shields

    Game over, GSP already won, might as well not watch the fight now
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    Rumor has it Shield's ground game is far superior to GSP's.
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    Superior? Yes. Far superior? No. Do I think it will matter? No. On the possibility that Jake's wrestling is better than GSP's, he does have a clear path to victory, but after watching his fight with Hendo again, I think GSP is going to be able to hang in the wrestling just fine

    A good corollary may be somebody like Demian Maia. Super sick jiu-jitsu, but because he's had to spend so much time training other things and his opponents come very prepared in BJJ, Maia hasn't subbed his last three wins. I don't think it will be any different with Jake. And like I said, a mere five second difference, and Mayhem would have put Shields to sleep

    One thing about me is that I look for reasons to root against big stars. I don't know why, I just do. So I try really hard to hate GSP and figure out why he's gonna lose this fight. But I can't because GSP is impossible to hate, and all the time I've spent rationalizing Jake's chances has now flipped. I always said that GSP is a pretty nice favorite here, but now I think he actually has a good shot at getting a stoppage this time.

    And then I'll have to try to hate him again since there will be a deluge of 14 year old fanbois whining about how he doesn't move up to fight Britney. The last fight I want to see is GSP vs Silva. Nobody uses their brains. If GSP moved up without being beaten first, then the WW division would lose so much steam since any new champ is forever a paper champ, and the cries of GSP moving back down would become even louder. IMO, the only time a champ should move up is in very rare circumstances like with Bones, and he should do it now, not wait and defend a few times. That shouldn't be a problem though because I think if Bones stays at LHW too long he will lose due to the same problems OVEREEM had at LHW
  72. #672
    Got some small bets for 129, not serious +EV bets, got aldo by sub, shields by sub.
    Only serious bet is Machida by ko/tko.

    GSP vs Shields - GSP has the stand up department completely locked down, no questions there, I don't think shields even has a punchers chance if i'm honest. I think GSP takes this fight like 85% of the time.
    Shields only chance to win is decision IMO. Obviously shields pure BJJ is way better than GSP but no gi, sweaty after round 1 and the fact GSP is a black belt and working heavily on sub defence with Roger Gracie etc I can't see shields managing a sub, unless he somehow totally clinch/cage stalls and fitch's GSP into exhaustion. Shields sub wins aren't over any legit black belts, but obviously the chance is still there. I think a low % of the time he scrapes 3 rounds vs 2 via cage fucking GSP, but I doubt this happens enough.

    Machida vs Couture - I did for awhile think Couture has a shot at wall n stalling, then killed the hype off in my mind realising Machida is strong in the clinch, has good trips, good take down defence, legit ground game and is just way faster than couture. I mean vs zombie nog he looked average, got dropped twice and swept. I think Machida's speed will light Randy up, and we know his chin is almost gone. Machida by TKO



    and I hate hearing how GSP is too small to fight Silva, GSP is a big welterweight, it's not like Andersons size is gonna be used to wrestle fuck GSP, reach and height yes, but I think GSP beats Silva a huge % of the time, and I will bet heavily on GSP beating silva.
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    THIS JUST IN:

    BANKITDREW HAS TICKETS TO UFC 129

    THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE

    I am officially better than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke999 View Post
    Got some small bets for 129, not serious +EV bets, got aldo by sub, shields by sub.
    Only serious bet is Machida by ko/tko.

    GSP vs Shields - GSP has the stand up department completely locked down, no questions there, I don't think shields even has a punchers chance if i'm honest. I think GSP takes this fight like 85% of the time.
    Shields only chance to win is decision IMO. Obviously shields pure BJJ is way better than GSP but no gi, sweaty after round 1 and the fact GSP is a black belt and working heavily on sub defence with Roger Gracie etc I can't see shields managing a sub, unless he somehow totally clinch/cage stalls and fitch's GSP into exhaustion. Shields sub wins aren't over any legit black belts, but obviously the chance is still there. I think a low % of the time he scrapes 3 rounds vs 2 via cage fucking GSP, but I doubt this happens enough.

    Machida vs Couture - I did for awhile think Couture has a shot at wall n stalling, then killed the hype off in my mind realising Machida is strong in the clinch, has good trips, good take down defence, legit ground game and is just way faster than couture. I mean vs zombie nog he looked average, got dropped twice and swept. I think Machida's speed will light Randy up, and we know his chin is almost gone. Machida by TKO



    and I hate hearing how GSP is too small to fight Silva, GSP is a big welterweight, it's not like Andersons size is gonna be used to wrestle fuck GSP, reach and height yes, but I think GSP beats Silva a huge % of the time, and I will bet heavily on GSP beating silva.
    Sorry homey, but you losing money on Jake. Upon more comprehensive review, G to the SP beats him everywhere at everything. Not only that but GSP is the most athletically gifted WW. Jake hasn't subbed anybody of worth lately, he won't even come close on GSP. The fact that GSP has evolved a ton while Jake is still the same says everything that needs to be said. Jake is entering the big leagues. This will probably be his last main event.

    Machida will turn Handy's face into blueberry pie though

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